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GivenToFly
06-10-2015, 06:40 PM
No rest for the wicked! Im onto my next project already ... and I decided to challenge myself a little more .... and challenge it is proving to be! :wink2:

This time around my subject is a Paint Bred filly who I showed extensively to many national titles ... I don't own her any more but she holds a very special place in my heart ...

This is a slightly trickier angle (almost front on) and she is wearing a halter ... which has broken her face up ... on top of that I chose to work on black paper and it appears my graphite drawing may have been slightly off before I started but I had trouble seeing my lines without tilting my head si the graphite would catch the light ....

So here is my progress so far ... i'm having problems with the halter which is all screwy proportion and shape wise so this morning i'll be trying to correct that a little, otherwise im happy with how I seem to have captured the silver plating on it ... I also had ear problems which I corrected (after I put it up on the computer I noticed the ears gahhh) ... as for the rest of it ... im really not to sure how this one will finish up ... if you see anything please feel free to speak up! :thumbsup:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc3.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc4.jpg

Cheers,
Emma

water girl
06-10-2015, 06:53 PM
Another painting on the easel???OK, you are putting us to shame. :lol: You are on a roll, so keep it going. If you are having trouble seeing your graphite sketch, try a white or light-colored pastel pencil to do your drawing. For those of us who do not know horse anatomy like you do, posting your reference may be helpful for us.

GivenToFly
06-10-2015, 07:21 PM
Hahaha, an "easel" of sorts ... my drawing table that tilts ... I love it and it doubles as a light table for the few times I need to trace my drawings! and roll I am Karen! Im seeing some huge improvements in my work and I think its because I keep working at it!

I think from now on I will use a light pastel pencil to go over my lines before I start ... although im a terrible "smudger and I was a little worried id make a mess before I even really get started! LOL

Ok, here is the photo im working off (sorry its a phone photo of a photo I just went and took for you, so the colours aren't correct)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jun-2015/1971026-Scref.jpg

GivenToFly
06-10-2015, 07:23 PM
already seeing a few things now ive done that ... need to thin down her blaze just above the halter ... its giving her a fat head look LOL

GivenToFly
06-11-2015, 01:34 AM
So I plugged along with this all day today ... its been quite a big undertaking for me (a lot bigger than I first thought).
I have hit the fiddling stage so I need to walk away ... I want it to be finished, but something isn't right and now I've start tweaking with things, im not sure im making it any better!
Any way ... here is todays progress...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc5.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc6.5.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc6.9.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc8.jpg

so it was at this point that I decided the eye on the left was to small ... so I reworked it ... but now Im not to sure it looks any better :(

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc9.jpg

So if any one would like to make a few suggestions that would be very helpful!

Cheers,
Emma

GivenToFly
06-11-2015, 02:28 AM
Ok ... I couldn't leave it alone :angel:

I fiddled with the halter a bit more and have had some success ... I think :rolleyes:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/1971026-SCF.gif

hope you can see the difference

GivenToFly
06-11-2015, 05:14 AM
Someone pointed out her right nostril was to high and not big enough so I have tweaked that as well ... and now I notice her right ear is to high ... easy fix that one so ill get to that tomorrow ... the main problem I see is the halter ... will have one more fiddle and try and move the bend in it up a little more towards her blaze ... failing that ... and besides taking out that whole portion of the picture ... I don't think I will be able to change it much

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc12.jpg

GivenToFly
06-11-2015, 09:00 AM
This picture is doing my head in!!! I've now put around 9hours in today ... I had a few hours break when the family got home but if I don't get it looking semi decent before bed ill stew on it all night and get no sleep ... after a few more off site suggestions I have made a few more alterations ... I have now brought the whole left side of the face over to the right .... and I think I am now starting to make some head way ... its not great yet but its better (I think) ...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc14.jpg

and the reference again

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/1971026-Scref.jpg

jritner
06-11-2015, 09:55 AM
Hey Given! Your work is improving so much with each successive piece! And you're really pounding them out! At this rate you'll be a Master by this time next week! :)

You're doing a great job capturing the spirit in the horse's eyes and your strokes on the coat are great. The trouble is you've gotten a bit off track with your angles and proportions, and the result is making the subject a bit wonky. I overlaid your reference pic onto your WIP and matched the scale from nose to ears, then traced lines over some landmarks on the ref photo. Here's how they align:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/36806-WC_Comparison.gif

It looks like the angle of the subject's head has gotten away from you a bit, and the (cheek?) and neck are much more broad on your work than in the photo, which is making the horse look quite a bit wider by comparison. It still looks like a great horse, just not YOUR horse.

Of course, comparing photos of works-in-progress and photos of photos at different scales gets a bit tricky, so the disparity may not be as substantial in real life, but you see what I mean. Were it my piece, I'd start over, being very careful to check and re-check the angles and proportions of my initial drawing before going to color. Your ability is evidenced by the steady improvements you've already shown in such a short time, so I'm confident if you decide to re-work this piece it'll be every bit as stunning as you want it to be.

I hope this helps a bit. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished work! :) Good luck!

Peace

GivenToFly
06-11-2015, 10:23 AM
Joel!!! you are a legend!! ... I just went into photo shop and also over laid the photo over the drawing ... but added one little step by slightly twisting the photo to see how my proportions were on the head ... I was shocked to see they actually line up quiet well ... my eyes are out a little and you are right, the head is a little wide and because of this the halter is a out a little ... but I can see where my problems lie ... so I will ponder all of this useful information over the weekend and hopefully a few little tweaks will see my problems ironed out ... Thank you so much! I want to kiss you atm! LOL ... below is the photo overlaying the picture ... im not to sure if you can see properly ....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2015/1971026-SCoverlay.jpg

and thank you for your kind encouragement .... I have a determined personality ... all or none :D

Cheers,
Emma

jritner
06-11-2015, 10:37 AM
Happy to help, Emma. I'm sure it'll be great. And now I get to look forward to seeing it next week! Woo Hoo! :)

GivenToFly
06-13-2015, 01:22 AM
And so we have the next instalment of what is turning into quiet a journey!

I have spent another 4 hours on this today ... the whole halter has been removed and re done, ears have been moved and re worked (still a bit of work to do to them though) her neck line has come down so its not as fat, her nostrils have had another make over (one has had 4 or 5 re works now ... she is going to look like Michael Jackson soon! ) and her off side eye has been changed (again) ... Im not finished but I am finished with all of the major changes ... I think I have resurrected the piece (although im starting to get sick of looking at her now )

Ill put up a side by side of where she was at a few days ago and where she is now at ... let me know if you see anything else that is out of whack!

first one is how it sat a few days ago and second one is how it sits now after all the changes

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc14.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc15.jpg

GivenToFly
06-13-2015, 03:01 AM
a few more tweaks, ive made the neck line lower again and played with that left eye more again

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc16.jpg

GivenToFly
06-15-2015, 04:19 AM
:clap: :clap: :clap:
I am finished!!!!!!!!! :cool: :cool:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Jun-2015/1971026-Sc17.jpg

do I like the finished piece? ... YES ... very much! .... am I glad the journey has come to an end ... ABSOLTELY! :lol:

water girl
06-15-2015, 11:52 AM
You have put a lot of thought and work into this painting. You should be very happy.

ArtistMelinda
06-15-2015, 05:01 PM
WOW what a journey! I give you credit for sticking to it! But I am sure you learned a LOT. Sometimes, if things get too far off, you can just let it go and do a new one. But remember the acetate sheet trick. I use it in people portraits, just to check my initial drawing to make sure the big items are where they should be before I go to far :)

Also, remember this - just because it is in the photo, doesn't mean you HAVE to draw it! If you didn't like the way the halter sat on her nose, you can move it, or take it off altogether :)

Look forward to seeing more - beautiful horses you have there

GivenToFly
06-15-2015, 06:29 PM
Thank you Karen ... im very pleased with the end results :)

Melinda, 6 months ago I would have thrown this piece into the fire long before I got it respectable ... BUT .... I would have learnt nothing by doing that. Because I had posted it here (and on my FB page) I put the pressure on myself to actually get this finished ... and by sticking with it and working through all the issues I have grown as an artist :) ... this process has taught me so much and also built my confidence ... I also feel like I know the medium (pastel pencils) much better and have a good understanding of how far I can push or take a piece and then bring it back .... the journey has been very worthwhile ... ive only been working with the medium (soft/pencil pastels) for 2 months tops ... before that the only medium I used was graphite or pen .... its a massive learning process for me :)