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ural jones
04-26-2015, 12:37 PM
Please give advise or pick up the 'nits'.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Apr-2015/1032892-time_to_go.jpg

ural jones
04-26-2015, 01:48 PM
O.K, I tried to edit the bear picture but time ran out so I am posting my corrections. I know I asked you to critique the first one but I thought it should have more interest. I added two little cubs.
After I saw the two cubs, I decided there was too much interference with the subject so, Mama Bear lost a cub. I also took the opportunity to give more shadowing to the rails.
I'd still like your ideas so nit pick or critique as needed.

Please.
Thank you.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Apr-2015/1032892-early_morning_escape.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Apr-2015/1032892-Lets_go.jpg
gessoed illustration board.

Still-trying
04-26-2015, 03:58 PM
Unique and interesting! Perhaps cubby could have a bit more weight on him? I love his little splayed feet. You're doing super without anyone saying anything!!! Great subject. Mamma bear is super. (I hope she is not stressed since she lost a cub.)

ural jones
04-26-2015, 04:19 PM
Jay, thank you. I used my experience at our cabin. We had them climb onto our deck so this is a recall for me.
One spring morning as I sat in my studio downstairs, a Mama Bear brought four cubs by to see me! I took photos too!
Seeing how the little ones look was a learning experience for me.
Cubs are so cute!

Nick7
04-26-2015, 04:31 PM
OMG :D The first thought was "escape? So, the bear broke in the house and now it's escaping?"
And then I read about your experience... I am not sure how I feel about that :D I am glad we don't have bears wandering around :)

I liked the first version and I like the third, but I agree that the cub is very skinny :)

ural jones
04-26-2015, 04:46 PM
Thanks Nick. I appreciate you comments.
Perhaps I ought to post the photo of the little critters. If I can find it I will. They climbed up there because of a birdfeeder.:lol: But, we took that down and never put it back.
Hey, I sat in a porch swing and one walked right up to me. I stood up and he ran away! Thank goodness. Bears are generally afraid of us, if not, they are dangerous!

Nick7
04-26-2015, 04:59 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: I politely decline all possible future invitation for a cup of coffee :lol:

ural jones
04-26-2015, 05:17 PM
Do these little critters look skinny?:lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Apr-2015/1032892-four_of_a_kind.jpg

LynneDe
04-26-2015, 06:32 PM
Wow, they are skinny! How about putting more cubs into the picture like you have in the real photo? Or doing another with more in it...

I truly like the painting. Nice job.

ural jones
04-26-2015, 06:59 PM
Well, thank you Lynn. I have painted them several times. This is one of them.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Apr-2015/1032892-SAM_1270.JPG

Still-trying
04-26-2015, 08:07 PM
Love your painting! How great to have experienced that.

ural jones
04-27-2015, 05:02 AM
Thanks Jay. I hope you will hang your painting so others will also enjoy the view.

Blayne
04-27-2015, 09:09 AM
Ural, I love that second painting, of the bears in front of the cabin. On the first painting, I'm afraid I'm going to give you some hard crit, but remember, it's only IMHO! Your work is good, but the composition seems too spare. The wide format seems to need something else. I liked the one with the two babies better. Also, with the bear's back to us, it is hard to engage with her and remain interested in what she is doing. The two shapes of her arms, although I've no doubt they are accurate, form triangles that, with her head, create a star shape. How about a baby bear on her left, partly obscuring her left arm? Perhaps another baby on the top rail at right? Flower pots on the top rails? (I could send you a picture of my deck with all its clutter, if you need ideas for how to clutter! :lol: ) And I think the babies could be slightly larger and varying in size. Also, I think you could do a lot with lighting the black fur to show more dimensionality. As to perspective, I'm certainly not the source for accurate information on that, but I think the rails on the left could be higher? Also, on the right, the space between the top rail and second rail--that space should decrease in size as it recedes? You've chosen a difficult scene that looks deceptively easy! You did a great job with the trees and foliage on the right, but I think those trees on the left are too similar in shape and all are leaning forward. I wonder if showing the left side as a more shadowed, darker area, would lend contrast to the light area in front of her? And perhaps put a larger, upright, more detailed tree there because the left side is closer to the viewer. And you know me--I'd put it close to the position of the rule of thirds! :lol: I hope you don't mind this detailed crit. You'll get a chance to take a shot at me if I ever get anything finished to show in the Spotlight!:lol:

ural jones
04-27-2015, 09:46 AM
Blayne, Thank you. I do respect your opinion on these matters. Now, if only I can get the time to do all that you have suggested. O.K. send flower pot photos . My decks are clear with the exception of a birdfeeder but then the bears came for that! So, feeder had to go.
I didn't take the time to finish this piece but I agree with your crit. I do not care for the two cubs. My reasoning is simply that I had created too many v's as it was. However another cub somewhere would make your three bears:lol: And, also, a crowd.
The deck rail has bench seats and I need to correct the sizes ( I knew that but I am lazy!).:lol:

Blayne
04-27-2015, 11:02 AM
Ural, I'm so glad you didn't find my comments too harsh. I think you're capable of turning this into a successful painting or I wouldn't have bothered to think so hard about what it needed. I've been looking at this since yesterday. My brain hurts! :lol: I agree your painting doesn't need more V shapes, but I can picture a cuddly cub curled on its back destroying a flower pot's contents--or a bird feeder's contents. Maybe cuddly cubs in different positions that show their cuddliness or mischief-making personalities that would not have V shapes? And you didn't have to mention the word lazy this morning. That's hitting below the belt and far too close to home! :lol:

ural jones
04-27-2015, 11:03 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Apr-2015/1032892-revised.jpg

work in progress...

Still-trying
04-27-2015, 11:06 AM
Personally, I love the shape of Momma bear. She looks like she's sprawling a bit and a bit clumsy. Very endearing, I think. I would not change her.
Desk rails: I didn't notice a thing since I was so enthralled with Momma bear.
The trees: I bow to other expertise.
Baby bear: in your photo of the five bears, (new fairy tale,) remember that Momma was feeding four Cubs so maybe they were skinny because they were sharing. One little cubby might have a bit more comfortable chubbiness, IMHO. (I feed everyone around me.). I love the concept of this painting. Where is this beary nice cabin?

Still-trying
04-27-2015, 11:10 AM
We all posted together. Boy Ural...you're quick!!

I like the way you cropped the left. Now I'm worried about little cub falling!!

ural jones
04-27-2015, 06:04 PM
O.K., do not worry about the little fellow falling. They were all over those rails and believe me, they are good at it. To be specific re location it is a place named after the Indians who once roamed the area. It is called Sautee-Nacoochee. Two tribal names put together for the area. But, I am still not very pleased with this. I also like the Momma bear but there is something, I don't know yet....

Still-trying
04-27-2015, 07:16 PM
How about enlarging some of the sky holes? I think the cub noses might get a little longer. Just a thought. I think this painting is just so unique! Love it

Blayne
04-27-2015, 08:35 PM
I really like how you've shown Mama Bear's fur and that we can see her muzzle. I love the little guy on the railing! Wow! It's really coming along! May I suggest fattening up the cub on the right? And showing his fur highlights. Maybe because I have a black cat, he is looking sort of cat-shaped. :)

jackiesimmonds
04-28-2015, 07:24 AM
The perspective of the railings is not right. You appear to be above both bear/s and railings. So, this means your "horizon line" - your eye level - is ABOVE those railings. And the railings are not straight in front of you as you look at them, they are angled which in turn means that they will not be parallel with each other, they are running away from you and their angles will eventually meet at the vanishing point on the eye level, on two sides of the image.

In this image, you can see that the top rail, and the bottom rail, marked in blue, are not parallel with each other. They move away in space, and meet at a vanishing point on the eye level (el in red). The same would apply to the other railings at the end but they would have a different vanishing point, to the left of the image. (but not necessarily within the rectangle.) This picture is a bit "fish eye lens" but it is good enough to demonstrate the issue...that is, that your railings cannot be parallel with each other because they would never, ever meet at a common vanishing point.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Apr-2015/1805-railings.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Apr-2015/1805-railings_w_eye_level.jpg

jackiesimmonds
04-28-2015, 10:52 AM
ps if you cannot understand me, do say and I will do my best to make the explanation clearer!

Nick7
04-28-2015, 02:56 PM
:D This seems to be a never-ending story! Every time I visit the thread, the number of the bears changes!

Jackie, I am sorry to be a bit slow, but where are the vanishing points in the Ural's painting?
Would one of them be where I made the dot and the other one outside the painting on the left side?

Ural Jones, I am sorry to ruin your painting...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Apr-2015/1892815-1032892-revised1.jpg

Thank you, Jackie.

jackiesimmonds
04-30-2015, 04:28 AM
Yes Nick, if we assume that the leading edge of the top plank to the left of momma bear is drawn correctly, then your red dot is ok. (proviso is that the plank would narrow from edge of pic to bear) The other side would be off the page, this image shows quite well what I mean by "off the page":

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2015/1805-Perspective-2ptAsianHome_zps2620c703.jpg

Ural, I know the cubs are quite skinny, but because we don't get to see any facial features, they do look rather like puppies! I have seen little fat round bears, and most people think of bear cubs as fat and round, so for the sake of removing the "puppy" look, I would make them a touch fatter.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2015/1805-cubs2.jpg

isn 't this gorgeous? -
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2015/1805-cubs.jpg

ural jones
04-30-2015, 05:35 AM
The rails were off, I admit. The entire sketch has lost the idea of the early morning light breaking but, as it is now a perspective discussion, I am correcting the flaws and making the changes required.
These rails are off so they are being repaired.
Back later when they are repaired.
Thanks Jackie for the tip.

Nick7
04-30-2015, 08:25 AM
Thank you Jackie. For the photos as well :)

I like your painting Ural and your visitors.

ural jones
05-02-2015, 05:06 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-May-2015/1032892-Over_now.jpg

Corrections made to the rails. The bear cubs are Black Bears, they aren't Grizzle Bears or Brown Bears, so they do resemble puppies. They aren't as fat looking as grizzles, they do not have the heavy coats.
And when you see them in the woods, they are jet black so that they seem to disappear when they dive into the forest. (I have seen this with my own eyes.:rolleyes: )
At any rate, I appreciate all the help given by everyone. I am done on this because I am sick of black fingers!:lol:

Still-trying
05-02-2015, 06:12 PM
It's a wonderful original painting. Love it. I'm glad you don't have a bird feeder anymore.

ural jones
05-02-2015, 06:56 PM
Very kind of you, thanks.

Blayne
05-02-2015, 09:29 PM
It's a super nice finish, Ural! You should be very happy with this! I hope you got that black off your fingers. :lol:

ural jones
05-03-2015, 04:07 AM
Thank you Blayne, I got it off and it was a lesson well learned!

Nick7
05-03-2015, 07:17 AM
Oh, another version! I admire your persistence. You could do a whole series :) I like it and it was fun as well as educational to follow your thread :)

thevaliantx
05-03-2015, 07:23 AM
I love the sunlight coming in from the right. And those cute little fuzzie wuzzies :)

Is the railing too high?