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djstar
05-16-2001, 03:55 AM
I am geting obsessed with progress shots.
I am about midway and have to work tomorrow so I will post the first half of my second Pow Wow picture.
These are the twins I got permission from their mother to shoot.
I got really obsessed with mapping out the values...when in doubt, over do...
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Which cracks me up because I slopped on all sorts of washes, mostly watercolor and a little acrylic for the violets.
This step is the hardest for me. I know I will come back that the picture is not lost but I spend hours, maybe days trying to figure what the heck I think I am doing at this point and honestly, I haven't a clue:
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And I bravely try to hit a brightest light and a darkest dark and work in bigger areas.
Now since their dresses are just black and little silver bells with red or yellow tops, this idea of big areas is a real bummer.
So I put in some black and did a little smudging to make it dark and a feather and laid in some skin.
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There are some colorful chairs and umbrellas in the background and lots more interesting shapes but before I went blind from sticky contact lenses and practically no light to speak of, I decided to call it a night tonight.

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Hopefully I will have time tomorrow to keep working on it.
...The cowboy will be back in open studio.
Not sure what to do with him tomorrow night.
hmmmm?
Be back with more later.
dj*

ArtyHelen
05-16-2001, 07:08 AM
dj, this is superb! Makes me want to try pastels...

What did you say to the mum when you asked if you could take the photo? Do you tell people you're an artist? I have sometimes seen wonderful faces in the street that I would love to paint or draw, but I'm just too shy to approach them, and wouldn't know what to say!

Thanx for posting this - I love progress shots!

Helen

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jerryW
05-16-2001, 08:08 AM
I see that you have a drawing first!
that explains the underlying rigidity.

have you done pastel directly, I mean without drawing first? just apply the color where it feels like it should be?

(I apologise if this is disruptive: http://www.neoncrunch.on.ca/pix/driveway.html
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djstar
05-16-2001, 11:33 AM
Rigidity...gosh Jer, but you can pick the words... How about structure?
Yeah, I don't really use thumbnails, yet.
I do work directly in paint when I use the stuff, but that is how I do my composition.
I don't work in blocks either, I use color all over, if a pink in the lips looks like a highlight on a sleeve, I just roll around, I compare color and value all over the place as I go. I use vine charcoal and lose it except landmarks mostly except this time I was freaking out over how dark the dresses would be so I loaded pressed charcoal in there praying the bells would stay lighter.
So far so good.
Eyeballs rested, not off to earn the living.
More later.
dj*
(Ps. Helen, I am sure I am wrong in the long run, when I make money I will need release forms which I found somewhere in the business forum. Right now a copy of the picture and I intend on making mom a box of note cards from it too.
dj*)

cliffwilson
05-16-2001, 01:46 PM
dj,

I love your progress pictures. I don't post often because I don't feel I have the knowledge and experience of most of the people at WC, but I do browse regularly. I also don't get to paint as often as I like do to the nature of my current paying job. But, everytime I follow through one of your progress topics it makes me want to get to my easel and try some of the things I see you doing. ... I think you may be in trouble with my wife since I have been staying up late with the easel lately! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Thank you,
Cliff

LDianeJohnson
05-16-2001, 02:45 PM
DJ,

Good start with this piece. With portraits, particularly multiple figures, you need the structure that your sketch provided. And don't be afraid to re-draw in between layers to bring back that structure as needed. Sometimes you can loose your place as it were with all the stroking and color work. Even if you want to achieve an overall painterly look, structure is key so the painting does not get "noodle" like or fall apart.

There also comes a stage (which you mentioned in the 2nd or 3d image) where a painting kind of get's away from you. Just step back, regroup, bring some order to the way you paint and it is easy to get back on track.

Just keep that hand going with the wonderful color work you do and all will be just fine!

D.





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ArtyHelen
05-17-2001, 05:03 AM
dj, I think you took my question in a different way than I meant it. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

When I said 'do you tell people you're an artist?', what I meant was, "Do you say to them 'Could I take your photo to do a painting from?' or do you simply say 'May I take your photo?'" But I guess you've answered the question anyway! I'm sure the mum will be absolutely thrilled!

I'm too shy to approach strangers, so I was really looking for advice on how to do so. You obviously asked for her address, too, to give her the notecards, etc, and I'm just afraid that if I did that, people would back slowly away thinking I'm a stalker or a nut or something! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Helen

(By the way, Jerry, I think you could have chosen a better word, too! dj's work is far from 'rigid'!)


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Roan
05-17-2001, 07:05 AM
I've been loving Deb's progress pics as well. Great stuff!

Jerry: heck, a lot of pastelists start with a tonal underpainting like this. Although my drawings aren't as nice or as complete as Deb's, I'm one of them. I've seen oil painters start with complete tonal works on canvas that would make a graphite artist drool. They paint right over it. Can you explain exactly what it is that you mean by "rigid"?

Helen: nod! I agree. I'm not shy, but I'm not exactly someone who can just walk up to someone and start talking like that. I'd like to know Deb's secret http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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djstar
06-16-2001, 11:06 PM
I'm not shy, but I'm not exactly someone who can just walk up to someone and start talking like that. I'd like to know Deb's secret

Dare to look stupid!
I have a real philosophical mandate that to fail is to learn. I love getting NO for an answer because I never missed a chance to ask a question!
I used to do amateur theater and LOVED auditions. My friends would weep and moan if they didn't get cast and I would feel that I gave some of my best performances for parts I was not right for but gave it a try. Good exercise.
I also do not trust perfect people.
If they made NO mistakes, they are only running on rumor. I fall flat on my face, get up and know exactly what NOT to do!
... and that is the secret to my success. I have been toying with putting in my signature the infamous Yoda quote, which is too true but little respected : "DO or DO NOT, there is no TRY."
dj*

djstar
06-25-2001, 10:59 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-May-2001/Powwowtwins.jpg
I posted it in the critiques forum and I guess I left you high and dry.
I always scan it in sections for the final, no matter how much work I shoot with the digital cam as you can see, the colors are totally different and it has no distortions of parralax...
(did I vote against spellcheck?!?!?!) because the scan is flat.
I juiced up the skin by riching up the shadows with violets.
The bells on the skirts are attached by colorful ribbons and I think I cropped it a little short, because the last row of yellow ones don't really show, but that must be a good thing. The flicks of red sort of tie that hunk of pattern together nicely.
Still debating framing, I think I will take these three in to a framer a friend suggested and see what the pros think.
Thank you so much for voting me in to the hall!!
I am blushing.. :o is this the right icon???
dj*

dollardays
06-25-2001, 03:16 PM
Love it... love the progress shots!! Thanks for posting them.

The cameraderie between the two boys shines through! The background is perfect. :clap: :clap: :clap:

mclaughlin
06-27-2001, 04:54 AM
Looks really good...:cool: