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painterbear
10-03-2013, 07:30 AM
In our little poll in Palette Talk, members wanted to learn to paint water moving in streams, creeks, waterfalls, rivers, etc. So we will be exploring the different ways to portray water in these situations.

Since we don't have an instructor, we will be on our own to work through our paintings with the help and advice from our fellow KIUAN Exercisers!

I did some research and came up with a couple of demonstrations on line. Let's begin with watching these before going on to one of our own:

Moving Water (http://www.jerrysartarama.com/art-lessons/Medium/Watercolors/Watercolors-Moving-Water.html)by Tom Jones on Jerry's Artarama

Postbridge Clapper Bridge (http://www.richardwoodgate.com/watercolourdemonstration/) by Richard Woodgate

Painting Seascapes (http://www.jims-watercolor-gallery.com/seascapes.html)by Jim's Watercolor Gallery

Water As A Subject: Make It Simple (http://hoffmannwatercolors.blogspot.com/2013/04/intermediate-watercolor-homework-42513.html) by Hoffmann Watercolors (a little different take on painting water using Winslow Homer, John Singer Sargent, and Ander Zorn's works as examples)

I looked in the RIL for some reference photos you might like to use in doing this exercise. I particularly wanted ones that showed movement in the water. You can use one of these or one of your own if you prefer.

Following the Bends (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=177055)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2013/9833-IMG_04102.jpg

Rough Water (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=176618)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2013/9833-IMG_6578.jpg

Bishop Creek Flow (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=172803)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2013/9833-BishopCreekFlow.jpg

More photos in the next post. :D

Sylvia

painterbear
10-03-2013, 07:37 AM
Font d'Algar I (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=143462)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2013/9833-CIMG1263.JPG

Font d'Algar II (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=143442)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2013/9833-CIMG1258.JPG

MacDonald River
(http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=136972&ppuser=1046)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2013/9833-06220035.JPG

Merced River, Yosemite (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=135602)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2013/9833-HPIM1404.JPG

As always, of course, you may crop out a part of the reference and use only what interests you for this exercise.

Add your references as well if you want to share them with all of us. :D

Happy Painting!

Sylvia

Yorky
10-03-2013, 08:06 AM
Here are a couple more references:

Hardraw Force, Wensleydale
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2013/1046-HardrawForce2.jpg

West Burton Falls, Wensleydale
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2013/1046-WestBurtonFalls.jpg

Doug

painterbear
10-03-2013, 09:15 AM
Those are great, Doug. I hadn't found any waterfalls! Thanks.

Sylvia

Scotslass
10-03-2013, 10:55 AM
Hurray! Thank you SYLVIA!! :clap: :clap:
I'll be in after the weekend is over.....(I'm thinking CP rather than my usual HP though, yes?)...looking forward to this - will be posting my disasters shamelessly :lol: :D
Suzanne

painterbear
10-03-2013, 11:09 AM
Suzanne,
I think the texture of the CP will help with the movement in the water better than the smoothness of the HP, yes. ;)

These exercises are designed to help people work through their "disasters", not for painting masterpieces (unless one happens to do it accidentally :lol:). We are all trying out things that are a bit out of our comfort zones, that is what the purpose is.

I seldom paint landscape subjects, so I will definitely be on the high wire without a net here too. ;)

Sylvia

LynnM
10-03-2013, 11:17 AM
Good subject, Sylvia, I'm in. Not for a couple of weeks, though, need to finish two others first.

painterbear
10-03-2013, 11:51 AM
We're here for the whole month of October, Lynn. I look forward to seeing your work when you join in the fun. :D

I'm printing out my reference. I chose Font d'AlgarII with a bit of tweeking. Will try to get it drawn out in the next day or two.

Cheers,

Sylvia

indraneel
10-03-2013, 12:48 PM
Great references Sylvia and Doug. Here's one I did a while back http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1329096. Big disaster, so just now did it again in pen and ink to try and figure out why it didn't work. It seems running water requires a lot of lines, particularly concentric curved lines to look right. In hindsight, it does not seem surprising, big concentric curves are so obviously visible in all fluids. The curves are broken in running water, but they are there.

The right side of my sketch looks more like water because of this. On the left, those straight lines should actually have been part of concentric broken curves (in hindsight). The only straight lines are where the water falls straight down over the rocks, but even those have very gentle curves.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2013/100896-20131003-213139-IMG_1980.jpg

painterbear
10-03-2013, 01:01 PM
Excellent observations of what it takes to convey the movement of water, Indraneel. It will be interesting to see how you transform your pen and ink sketch into a watercolor painting. :D

This is the type of discussion that makes our KIUAN Exercises work so well. :thumbsup:

Sylvia

paintalot
10-03-2013, 07:39 PM
This looks like a challenge I want to participate in and am looking forward to as I finish my latest piece. Thanks Sylvia for all the info to look at and I may work from a local stream near by and post that photo.

pjartwc
10-04-2013, 04:58 AM
Thank you so much for doing this, Sylvia - This is a topic I will definitely study

iroquois
10-04-2013, 12:43 PM
I'd like to join in on this one Sylvia, James

painterbear
10-04-2013, 12:50 PM
Hope you will be showing us your work with moving water Suzanne, Jan, and James. The more the merrier and we will all learn something together. :D

Sylvia

LynnM
10-04-2013, 01:44 PM
Excellent sketch, Indra, I'll look forward to seeing what you do with it. I thought you were getting close with your previous posts on the subject.

iroquois
10-04-2013, 02:12 PM
Here's one I've been going to paint, anyone can paint....James
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2013/1144158-hoggsfalls.eugenia.jpg

Scotslass
10-04-2013, 02:23 PM
Sylvia - I certainly will once I start! James that's a lovely image and exactly the sort of water I recently tried to do as part of a PMP image - I failed miserably so I'll be delighted to use the water in it too if I may, as I'd like to try the painting I failed again sometime ....if I (hopefully!) can get a little better at waterfall type water after learning here....well, actually I hope I can only get better than the scrubbed out mess that resulted last time :lol:........though we'll see :)
Suzanne

iroquois
10-04-2013, 08:58 PM
Yes anyone can use this photo Suzanne , you'll do it fine I'm sure. James

painterbear
10-04-2013, 09:48 PM
Beautiful photo, James. Thank you for sharing it and giving us permission to use it too.

Even if everyone used that photo as a reference, I can guarantee you all that each painting would be different from all the others! :D

Sylvia

M.L. Schaefer
10-06-2013, 05:53 PM
Oh, Sylvia! What a wonderful array of photographs! I'm working on a stream (landscape miniatures-ACEO) which I made up. Just put on the masking. If that turns out kaput, I'll use one of these fabulous photographs! If it "turns out" half way good, I will post it here.

Thank you, Sylvia, for your hard work and efforts, and the wonderful links. I'm going to try it "my way" and THEN look at the links (yep, I'm hardheaded that way)!

:heart: Margarete

Scotslass
10-07-2013, 12:21 PM
Hi...just to show I am starting..... on half a bit of 14x10" cotman CP....no water yet though :D ...trying the Font d'Algar 1, and just getting the rocks vaguely in place for the water to move round....so I can think about the water, which is what I'm more concerned about (I may fiddle about with the rocks a bit more later but not really thinking of trying to produce a lovely painting )....There's a bit more space at the bottom for the swirly bit...I'm going to try without masking, this shot anyway, and see what happens.....though I think I have a premonition....:rolleyes:
Suzanne
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2013/1093142-waterweb3.jpg

ams
10-07-2013, 03:05 PM
What a great topic to work on. I have to finish what I'm working on right now but I'd like to try some moving water next.

Anne

painterbear
10-07-2013, 04:03 PM
Suzanne,
You are off to a good start. Smart move getting the background objects in place first so you can concentrate on the main topic...moving water.

I'm trying to finish up something too, Anne, before starting in on my water. :D

Sylvia

Scotslass
10-09-2013, 05:58 AM
Well...that was an experience. See painting of a large custard slice below. :D I'm having problems getting decent photos with a new phone so this is autoadjusted and quite harsh...but the photo isn't the real problem, just the painting! I left out the woman in the bikini top left of the ref :clear:
I found this hard...and there's a patch of just plain white at the top which I've just left in the end...but what I learned:
1. The 'subtle' different blues don't really show - well at this size anyway, so masking whites would've probably been better and maybe being a bit stronger with fewer blue/greys (?).
2.Trying to think 'bigger shapes' helps a bit.
3.The edges of the rocks matter - to show the broken lines that the water makes at the edges, so full-on rocks done first had to be adjusted.
4.The foreground swirly bit I tried with saran wrap but it didn't really work so reverted to painting smaller shapes, 'smudging', and then washing over later with other colours to try and indicate water and movement but ? the result.
5. As a fairly detailed painter normally I found this quite difficult in the relative 'messiness' of it all....psychic trauma :lol:
Not sure I'll go near this again (try another one instead) but any comments re obvious 'things that didn't work' or what might 'save' something are most welcome from anyone.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Oct-2013/1093142-water7web.jpg

Yorky
10-09-2013, 06:28 AM
Nice work, I like the foreground pool too. i may have added a little spatter with masking fluid or at then with white gouache in the splasier areas.

Doig

pjartwc
10-09-2013, 06:52 AM
Scotslass, You've got a wonderful start. I think you need some real dark values in the water falls.
I've been thinking about what I want to paint for this project and haven't come up yet with exactly the right thing, so ----- I'm posting some examples of previous paintings I've done which show a large wave, a calm sea, and a puddle. I'm not looking for comments on these as they were done a few years ago. Just thought they might help or inspire someone - including myself.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Oct-2013/116333-water.jpg

Scotslass
10-11-2013, 07:37 AM
Jan I know you didn't want comments but I love that big wave!

No accidental successes here Sylvia!:D Gluttoning for punishment I tried again with James' lovely waterfall. Took the masking route, tried to go darker too. Pretty horrible result but I'm sharing anyway...the masking helped with the whites but the hard edges left were a nightmare. I tried to do the circular patterns at the pool level (as per Indraneel's observations)...I guess from about 15 feet with my glasses off it looks a bit like water...:D Took stages photos:
masking:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/1093142-waterfall1web300.jpg
masking first washes:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/1093142-waterfall2web300.jpg
Masking off:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/1093142-waterfall_3web300.jpg
After a fair bit of adding in, softening, sighing:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/1093142-waterfall4web_300.jpg

On another side of the same subject, I originally approached Sylvia about moving water because of a fail with moving water in a painting I was doing for fun. Because the paper ended up ruined anyway I've just been trying out the 'magic eraser' that I found here in Sainsbury's ( had thought they only existed in USA!)...and while the painting will never be a winner, the actual end effect after using the eraser is, it seems as 'good', (though not pretty!) as any of the moving water I have tried to actually paint deliberately.....So - given that I have seen Mr Z (or similar) on Youtube doing road highlights using the eraser.....is it CHEATING :rolleyes: to use something like this to get an effect by taking away paint rather than actually managing to paint it?!
pre eraser:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/1093142-original_pre_more_scrubbing.jpg
after eraser:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/1093142-bird_scrub_samller.jpg

( edit - I should add this was from a lovely picture on PMP)
Suzanne

ArtSavesLives
10-11-2013, 05:03 PM
I have a couple of watercolors that were fun and challenging to get the movement in the water just right:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/107691-100_5520.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/107691-4ec5.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/107691-6:16:05_2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/107691-EPSON008_1.JPG

painterbear
10-11-2013, 05:23 PM
Suzanne,
You've discovered the perils of masking fluid....the hard edges that are left behind to deal with when it is taken off. I have become much, much, much more selective now if and when I use masking fluid because of that.

I think you might try some negative painting to create the swirling eddys at the bottom of the waterfall, as well as in the cascade of the fall itself if you should decide to try this again or a similar scene. :thumbsup: on giving it a go.

I think your little bird is magnificently painted. I'm not a big fan of the effect left by the magic erasers I'm afraid. It kind of leaves the paper looking a bit matte and dull. Can you add color after using it? Perhaps some pale blue to make it look like running water????

***

ArtSavesLives, You definitely have the painting of moving water in streams and rivers down nicely. I especially like the way the water changes color and seems to slide over the rocks in the last one.

I think if you softened the hard edges at the tops of the breaking waves in the ocean scene that would be a bit more realistic. I like the look of the shallows the man is standing in, that's very well done. :D

Sylvia

Scotslass
10-12-2013, 05:32 AM
Hi Sylvia - yes the masking fluid - a mixed blessing, just thought having not used it in #1, might be worth a try in #2...it did keep things white, (but a great cost!)
The paper after the eraser does look a bit dull...may try slapping in some colour (thoughtfully slapping in)...the top RHS paper is wrecked anyway so nothing lost!
I'm beginning to wonder if one should pay less attention to the photo, as such, and just try and 'paint water' if you see what I mean, while bearing in mind what water 'does' and how it looks while it's doing it, as any photo is just a fraction of a minute in time...(though given my success rate I maybe would think that! :clear: )

Art saves lives : Yes you can do it! so......how about doing a waterfall and take a few 'in process' picture showing how you did it? Please?! :)

Suzanne

iroquois
10-12-2013, 09:16 AM
Sylvia here's one just finished, don't know where I got it. On strathmore 140.6x9,davinci paints. James
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2013/1144158-waves.JPG

painterbear
10-12-2013, 11:54 AM
James,
That is a lovely beach scene with the breaking water on the rocks. I think the blue rocks are a little confusing, especially where the water meets them. Perhaps a pale wash of burnt sienna to gray them a bit????

Here is a similar section from a larger composition I did last year. I have a bit more blue in the shallow part in front of the wave than you do and all my lines are a bit softer. Water is fluid and there aren't a lot of hard lines in it. I use a lot of negative painting to give variation to the water rather than painting lines in it as you and ArtSavesLives hve done.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2013/9833-wavesbreaking.jpg

Sylvia

ams
10-12-2013, 05:23 PM
Indraneel, your sketch was helpful. The direction of the lines makes a lot of difference. I'll look forward to your painting too.

James, that waterfall is beautiful. I have tried waterfalls in the past without much success. It may be time to try again. I'll see how I make out with the ref I chose.

Suzanne, I got about as far as you did on my first session. I like what I see in your second post. I hope I do as well. I especially like how the center gush of water is done. You got the feeling of it dropping from one level to a lower one. I also like the swirls in the lower area.

Jan, lovely painting. You really captured the light reflecting off of the waves beautifully in the first one.

Suzanne, great job on the waterfall. I think the original bird painting was ok as it was. In the second, my eye goes to the water instead of the bird. However, if it works for you, use it. It's just another technique.

ArtSavesLives, you have been busy! Love the foam on the first one and the lovely reflections on the others. Love how the light shows on the water on the last two.

James, I agree with Sylvia that the rocks could be browner. Also, some of the front ones might cast some shadow on the rocks behind them. Also, you could try darkening the water behind the splash a little to make it more dramatic.

Here's my work so far on Font d'Algar II. I have painted in the rocks and some of the foliage. A long way to go. I decided to save the water until last. I think I'm more likely to get the values right that way.

I used mainly French Ultramarine and Quin Rust on the rocks, mixing the paints on the paper with wet on wet. Have to finish the tree on the right and some other odds and ends before I start on the water.

Anne

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2013/7993-AlgarII-1.jpg

painterbear
10-12-2013, 10:05 PM
I was looking through The Watercolor Handbook and found an earlier thread on this same topic with some really good suggestions on how to paint water:

Help! How Do You Paint Moving Water? (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11988422#post11988422)

Give it a look, I think you'll find it interesting and helpful. :angel:

Sylvia

Scotslass
10-13-2013, 02:22 AM
Thanks Sylvia - it is a helpful one. There is also quite a lot on youtube, and although they are often for oils the actual preliminary chats about the structure & colour changes of moving water still apply - (although how to represent them in paint will of course be different.)
It's interesting that in these watercolour threads different people use so many and different techniques - sandpaper, salt, knives, as well as the basic paint manipulation to get the effect they're after...seems like if it works then use it? Party time?!:)

James nice one...(I wouldn't give any advice given my success rate!)and Anne that's looking like a great start....you were more forward thinking than me re your rock edges:thumbsup: ....I'm sure your water will be great!

Suzanne

Echecs
10-14-2013, 11:52 AM
Hello!
I'm so glad this came up, I can't do water for the life of me, still or moving, it's just really, really difficult, I have big problems putting the dark bits in right :(

Anyway, I gave the Merced River a shot. I stupidly masked out ALL the water, it took me hours to get it off, I should have just done the edges. I'm more or less happy with the rocks, but I still feel the water is missing something important, maybe some more darks?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Oct-2013/293621-DSCN1000WC.JPG

Done on Arches rough 300grms, 31cms x 21cms.

Any suggestions are more than welcome :)

Cheers,
Deborah

Yorky
10-14-2013, 11:56 AM
A nice subject Deborah, I would add some blue sky reflections to the water.

I did the MacDonald River one some time ago:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Oct-2013/1046-MacDonaldRiverfinished.jpg

Doug

Echecs
10-14-2013, 12:04 PM
Lovely rendering Doug!

I'll try adding a bit of blue, Thanks,
Deborah

painterbear
10-14-2013, 04:17 PM
I finally finished the painting I was working on and was able to start on my water painting for this Exercise today.

I cropped the Font d'Algar II photo to concentrate mainly on the rocks and water.

This is about 9" x 13" on 140 lb Arches cp (the back of an earlier painting). ;)

Lots more to do, but wanted to get the basic tones in before worrying too much about details. Mainly working loose with a big brush to put in color, will do some negative painting with a smaller brush to show the movement of the water more.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Oct-2013/9833-waterfallpool1.jpg

Deborah,
I think you are off to a good start with the Merced River painting. However, there isn't a lot of color variation in the photo, so you may have to add some on your own to make the water look a bit more finished. Here is a section of your reference that I've enhanced and deepened the tones in so you can see the variation in the water behind and beside the rocks.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Oct-2013/9833-MercedRiverCropped.jpg

I see a lot of greenish brown in the water that wasn't evident in the full photo. ;)

Sylvia

Echecs
10-15-2013, 07:46 AM
Ok thanks Sylvia, I'll try to add some subtle colours.

Deborah

iroquois
10-15-2013, 03:00 PM
Is this a little better Sylvia? James
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Oct-2013/1144158-kiuan.JPG

Yorky
10-15-2013, 03:07 PM
Your photo looks dark James, is this better?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Oct-2013/1046-AAWavesIR.jpg

Doug

painterbear
10-15-2013, 03:27 PM
James, I like the brown better than the blue on the rocks, but it is a bit dark. Maybe moisten it with clear water and blot to lighten it a little. I think you might also add a bit of blue amidst the white in the foreground water too but soften your lines when you do. Remember water is fluid, not hard, so it wouldn't leave hard lines behind except when it abuts a rock or something like that. :D

Sylvia

iroquois
10-15-2013, 08:49 PM
ok, sometimes I think my camera don't work so good, not sharp at times and too blue at times.

painterbear
10-18-2013, 09:33 AM
I know what you mean, James. I try to get as close to the painting as possible, but it often doesn't really look exactly like some of the tones in it. :o

I did a bit more work on my painting this morning trying to add some values and give the look of moving water. I also added some of the tree trunks in the lower right corner to frame the water.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Oct-2013/9833-waterfall2.jpg

Scotslass
10-18-2013, 10:27 AM
Deborah well done....and Doug what a lovely scene with beautifully moving water! Sylvia your river looks great , and definitely moving water...and I love the wee pool that looks even better with the trunks in, in the bottom RHS.

Does anyone find moving water 'easy' to paint? - maybe people who paint it frequently , so just feel more familiar with it? ....I wonder...as even just in the ref photos here...'water' can take on so many different colours, shapes and forms it seems a big subject to get a handle on completely....(though I imagine that as with most subjects, more practice would help !)
Suzanne

painterbear
10-18-2013, 04:09 PM
Suzanne,
I'm not finding it "easy" to paint, but I do find that concentrating on a small section of the reference to work on helps me to find the variations in value and color to paint.

So I work on small areas all around the picture. When I put it up on a shelf to look at across the room, I am surprised how it actually comes together and looks like moving water. :D

Sylvia

LynnM
10-20-2013, 11:18 AM
Yes, Sylvia, it does come together, and when you look at it after a few days it is surprising how many of the things you didn't like are not so obvious in the larger picture....at least that is what I always hope!

Some really nice work here, I have been following along and wanting to participate. I did this some time ago, with gouache, and really struggled with the water.

Orchy river not far from Glencoe in Scotland, originally painted for the Gouache thread. Ref (free to use if you wish):

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Oct-2013/97813-Orchy-River_Large_Web_view.jpg

Gouache 7x11
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Oct-2013/97813-The-Orchy-River-6.jpg

I'd like to revisit this in transparent watercolour.

painterbear
10-20-2013, 12:24 PM
Lynn,
Beautiful reference, go for it. It will be interesting to see the difference a different medium will make.

Nice job on the gouache version. :D

Sylvia

ams
10-20-2013, 06:55 PM
Deborah, you are off to a great start. You have captured the flow of the water over the rocks on the bottom and the rapids along the side.

Doug, very nice water. I like how you were able to set the falls back by making the foam less pronounced and closer together. I can see that is one of the things I did wrong.

Sylvia, great work. I like the work on the water over the rocks coming down with a big splash.

James, it's coming along nicely.

Lynn, I like your reflection of the rock in the water with little splashes around the edges and some more splashes scattered across the water.

I did some more work on mine. I'm not really happy with it as a finished painting but I learned a lot.

I picked the Algar II because I felt the splashes were what I wanted to practice on. I used a technique where I painted the upper edge made by the splash and then softened the color out behind the splash to make the shadow. What I did wrong was to make the splashes go completely across the river rather than scatter them. I think I did a little better on the area right before the water flowed off the paper (I did this part last) in the lower left.

I had a lot of trouble with the slow moving water on the lower right. It reads more like a rock than the water. :(

Thanks Sylvia for pulling all of the references together and giving us the challenge.

Anne

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Oct-2013/7993-AlgarII-2.jpg

painterbear
10-21-2013, 04:23 PM
Anne,
I picked the same reference because I like the different aspects of the way the water flowed through the rocks and puddled in places.

I like your stylized waves and rapidly flowing water cascading in the center and the little pool in the right hand middle ground with the water running into it. :thumbsup:

I finished my painting in class today and added my signature. This was fun and I learned a lot while working on it. One of the main things was really looking at the reference to see what motion was happening in the different areas. The value changes and the brush movements were important aspects to get the look of water and rocks.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Oct-2013/9833-Cascades.jpg

Yorky
10-21-2013, 04:26 PM
Some really good work here. Nice work Anne, has a Chinese/Japanese feeling to it. There seems something missing top left of the waterfall.

Lovely painting Sylvia, I like how you showed the underlying rock colours in the water.

Doug

LynnM
10-21-2013, 04:39 PM
Really nice results, Anne. I agree with Doug, yours has a feel of oriental paintings.

This came out well, Sylvia, good water flow and submerged rocks.

ams
10-21-2013, 05:57 PM
Doug, Lynn, I see what you mean. Actually, I originally had another splash closer to the falls but it didn't read right so I turned it into falls but it didn't completely work.

Sylvia, I love how you handled the lower right. That clear, quiet water was painted just right. Love your finished painting.

Anne

painterbear
10-21-2013, 09:05 PM
Thanks Doug, Lynn, and Anne. I worked a lot on both the rocks and the pool in the corner that you especially liked. Must tell you that Nita pointed out those exact places during her critique today as well. :D

Sylvia

ErnstG
10-22-2013, 01:16 AM
Sehr schöne Umsetzung der Felsformationen im Wasser Sylvia!
Im Wasser fehlt mir etwas das aufschäumende, wilde Element.
Was ist KIUAN?

Very nice implementation of the rock formations in the water Sylvia!
But I'm missing something in the water the frothing, wild element.
What is KIUAN?

Ernst

painterbear
10-22-2013, 05:07 AM
Thanks, Ernst.

KIUAN — "If you would like to step out of the box and stretch yourself as an artist, then... Kick It Up a Notch! or KIUAN! Have you ever felt that your painting skills have reached a plateau? Or, you just need to try something different to reawaken your muse? Check out the KIUAN Exercises." :D

Sylvia

Scotslass
10-22-2013, 05:34 AM
Lynn - lovely ref, and gorgeous gouache!
Anne - well done, this is a really nice painting....it's lovely and clean looking too,(whereas I certainly descended into mud!)strikes me you would paint excellent waves on shores too?
Sylvia - lovely! I too specially like the bottom RHS, water and rocks.
I think we all deserve bouquets for effort and learning!
Suzanne

ams
10-22-2013, 07:15 AM
Suzanne, thanks for finding the positives. I think the technique would work well on waves too. I don't do many landscapes or seascapes so this is out of my comfort zone.

I think we all deserve bouquets for effort and learning!
I'll second that!

Anne

iroquois
10-22-2013, 05:01 PM
All the posts are great, here's 2 on strathmore 140.6x9.davinci paints. James
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Oct-2013/1144158-014.JPGhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Oct-2013/1144158-015.JPG

painterbear
10-22-2013, 05:17 PM
Very nice examples of moving water, James. Definitely captured motion in both of them, but especially in the one on the right.

:thumbsup: to all who have participated so far. :clap:

Sylvia

ams
10-22-2013, 07:26 PM
Nice work James. I especially like how you captured the sparkle on the water in the first painting.

Anne

rossmarie
10-23-2013, 05:30 AM
Hi Sylvia

Sarah prompted me to have a look at your KIUAN exercises on moving water and I have found these most instructive - thank you. Pity I did not look at these before I tried to paint Rhaiadr-y-cwm Falls!

I also particularly liked the Postbridge Clapper Bridge demonstration by Richard Woodgate - clever man!

Shall refer to all these sources again.

Mike :thumbsup:

painterbear
10-23-2013, 05:38 AM
Glad you checked this Exercise out, Mike. Take a look at the list of Monthly Classes and KIUAN Exercises for ideas about approaching different subjects in the future. Lots of good info in them all. :D

Sylvia

Mshiarla
10-23-2013, 12:06 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Oct-2013/1186387-logan_surf_small_copy.jpg

ams
10-23-2013, 12:16 PM
Nicely done MShiarla.

Anne

painterbear
10-23-2013, 12:35 PM
Hi MShiarla,
Welcome to the Watercolor Forum, so glad you joined in this month's KIUAN Exercise.

You've captured the crashing wave and incoming water very nicely. Like the man on the board and the young girl beyond the crest of the wave too. :thumbsup:

Sylvia

Mshiarla
10-23-2013, 12:51 PM
or http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Oct-2013/1186387-logan_surf_2_small.jpg

painterbear
10-23-2013, 02:34 PM
This second version is scarier with that HUGE wave coming in. The two swimmers don't even look aware of the danger heading their way. :eek:

Sylvia

iroquois
10-24-2013, 12:06 PM
Practicing rocks, then thought may as well put in some waves and post here....James
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Oct-2013/1144158-rocksandwaves.JPG

Yorky
10-24-2013, 12:07 PM
Nice rocks James. The whole thing works well.

Doug

painterbear
10-24-2013, 12:43 PM
Ditto to what Doug said, James.

The rocks look good with the variation in color and the crashing wave is very nice as well. :thumbsup:

Sylvia

iroquois
10-24-2013, 12:54 PM
Thanks folks....Sylvia, I'm going to try the Font d'Algar 2, I'd like to know what to do about the rocks in the bg, white from the sun, you wouldn't leave them that way, right? Maybe a light wash of rs or yo????James.

painterbear
10-24-2013, 03:05 PM
James,
Those white out spots in that photo are caused by the camera, so you can use your imagination to add some color making it lighter in those areas. As you can see if you look at my painting, I cropped out the edges a bit on both sides and the top which eliminated some of those white areas.

Looking forward to seeing your version...look closely at the color of the water, it has a bit of gray in it versis blue. ;)

Sylvia

iroquois
10-24-2013, 05:46 PM
Thanks Sylvia...............James

Mshiarla
10-25-2013, 01:45 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Oct-2013/1186387-logan_waterfall.jpg this is one I had done last week

Yorky
10-25-2013, 02:34 PM
Great action :clap:

Doug

painterbear
10-25-2013, 03:10 PM
Mshiarla,
Welcome to the Watercolor Forum and this month's KIUAN Exercise.

I like your pen and ink with watercolor washes depicting a rushing river and the young men riding the rapids. Nicely done with lots of motion in the water. :thumbsup:

Sylvia

iroquois
10-27-2013, 11:40 AM
my try at the font d algar...James
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2013/1144158-fontdalgar.JPG

painterbear
10-27-2013, 12:14 PM
:thumbsup: on the moving, cascading water in this painting, James. I like the toned-down color of the blue and the white tops of the rushing water in places.

One little suggestion is to lighten the dark, dark blue rock. It is so dark it draws our eyes to it as the focal point. Just moisten it and blot with a tissue to lift a little of the paint. ;)

Sylvia

iroquois
10-27-2013, 02:21 PM
ok thanks Sylvia.

tamouse
10-28-2013, 11:54 AM
Here's my go:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Oct-2013/1117232-001-cropped-700.jpg


paper: Cotman Water Colour Pad, 10x7, 140lb cold press
paint:

DS Phthalo Green
WN French Ultramarine Blue
DS Aureolin
DS Quin Burnt Orange
DS Rose Madder Genuine



This is another redo of an image I was working on last year, where I was getting quite frustrated with showing the waterfall. This is a wee bit better, I think. Today's effort was about an hour.

Contrast with last year's attempt, which went on for days, it seemed:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Oct-2013/1117232-2012-10-31.colour.500.jpg

painterbear
10-28-2013, 05:13 PM
Hi Tamara,
Welcome to the Exercise! Wow, nice seeing your attempt last year in contrast to the one you did this year. Your water is much more fluid and the movement above the fall and below it are nicely done.

I also like your rocks and the grasses and trees in this newer version too. :thumbsup:

Sylvia

tamouse
10-28-2013, 08:27 PM
Here's another attempt:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Oct-2013/1117232-002-cl-700.jpg

Still not liking it. :(
Also not liking the yellowish cast on the left half of the image -- that's not how the painting is :(

paintalot
10-29-2013, 03:31 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2013/215096-IMG_5400.JPG


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2013/215096-IMG_5401.JPG

I decided to experiment and work upright on my easel...its really hard for me but I do enjoy the challenge and may learn something:confused: . I think I have probably put too much colour since this taken so may start again. Have been enjoying all the wonderful pieces being posted. Like your last one Tamouse.

paintalot
10-30-2013, 10:11 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Oct-2013/215096-IMG_5403.JPG
I fooled around with it some more, washing on and off, using 2 flat brushes( 1 inch and a half inch). Kind of like the luminous quality happening in the foreground. As for the moving water :( will work on that in the next one. This was fun.

painterbear
11-04-2013, 05:18 AM
Suzanne,
You are off to a really nice start. I like your loose brushwork that is defining the major shapes in the composition. :D

Sylvia

iroquois
11-07-2013, 09:18 AM
Nice work on the last paintings posted...........James

CharM
11-10-2013, 08:40 AM
Sylvia (and all KIUAN participants), I came across this free booklet quite by accident this morning and thought you might be interested. Artist Daily offers free ebooks on a variety of topics, but The Flow and Movement of Water (http://www.artistdaily.com/media/p/140526/showcontent.aspx) is relevant to your thread.

You'll have to sign up to Artist Daily in order to download the book, but they don't spam and the articles are always interesting.

Yorky
11-10-2013, 08:56 AM
An excellent tutorial Char :thumbsup:

Doug

iroquois
11-11-2013, 11:58 AM
Sylvia, no kiuan for November???............James

painterbear
11-11-2013, 03:56 PM
Will have to come up with a topic for one, James. Stay tuned. :lol:

Sylvia

Echecs
11-11-2013, 07:05 PM
I'm sorry I didn't post an update on my river, it just didn't get any better, I did however do some running tap water :lol:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2013/293621-DSCN1001b.JPG

and I still can't get rid of seeming solidity :crying:

Cheers, and thanks so much for the KIUAN!
Deborah

painterbear
11-11-2013, 09:13 PM
Deborah,
I think your tap with running water is beautiful. I love the color of the metal.

Perhaps a bit more variation in the tones within the stream would give more of the appearance you want in the water.

:D

Sylvia