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Johannes Instructor
08-07-2013, 08:08 PM
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Coming soon: Paint Along with Ken Vloothuis

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Join Ken on an interesting expedition as he explores the mechanics of the Zorn
palette while he demos in oil paintings and discusses some of Zornís most celebrated
works. Subject matter may also include portraits, still-lifes and landscapes depending
on popular demand. This paint along is meant to be an extension of his Elements of
Form course where he will answer any questions from topics such as temperatures,
transitions, light etc., while he discusses his personal painting style and approach.
In case you miss a class or part of a class don't worry, the downloadable recordings
will be available to you a few days after each class.

When? August 17, 24, 31 and September 7 (4 Saturdays)
What time? 1 to 5 PM
How much? $21.99
Mediums? All
Level: All
Requirements: High speed internet (aprox. 1.5 MB download speed).

To register: http://www.northlightshop.com/paint-along-with-ken-vloothuis-wetcanvas-live-t1012

HazelP
08-08-2013, 02:38 AM
Looking forward to this one Ken. Must jog my memory and Watch Elements of Form again before the class starts! Would love to study some Zorn landscapes!

ToskaFromAlabama
08-08-2013, 08:56 AM
Ken, Let me know what you will be painting. If landscapes or Still-life, I will enroll. Still-life would be great to show elements of form. I am not interested in portraits at all. Thanks

KennethVloothuisart
08-08-2013, 10:52 AM
Ken, Let me know what you will be painting. If landscapes or Still-life, I will enroll. Still-life would be great to show elements of form. I am not interested in portraits at all. Thanks


It will not be so much Zorn's landscape, the class is to show economy of color or proper usage of temperatures, through the Zorn palette. You need to understand this palette, in my opinion, before you can really understand what is happening with color. Landscapes will be demoed. Still lifes, most likely, and portraits, it depends if people want it, no more than one.
I will try to accommodate it to what people want, after all, it is more of a Q&A session from the concepts found in Elements of Form.
Ken

mickisew
08-08-2013, 02:27 PM
Hi Ken - I look forward to class - purchased, registered and ready to begin!

Micki

MapperGis
08-09-2013, 09:29 PM
Registered and really looking forward to learning Zorn Palette.
Love anything Oils and really need portrait knowledge.
Thank You Ken
Lois

Johannes Instructor
08-10-2013, 09:11 AM
Registered and really looking forward to learning Zorn Palette.
Love anything Oils and really need portrait knowledge.
Thank You Ken
Lois
I believe he will be doing some landscape painting with the Zorn pallete.

Jacdesusbielle
08-13-2013, 02:44 AM
Hi Ken,
Unless I could not read properly, there was no password given after the registration on the access student page. Is it only me ? I wonder ....
So what do I have to do ?
I am looking very much forward to your new paint along and can't wait for it.
Thank you for taking your time and your patience for us. - Jacqueline.

ToskaFromAlabama
08-13-2013, 08:09 AM
Ken,

Getting my "Zorn" palette ready for the paint along. I was curious why you will be using yellow ochre pale instead of yellow ochre given the range of hues and values (120) Zorn obtained?

Toska

AmberLynn
08-13-2013, 02:46 PM
Hi Ken and Jo, I will be working this weekend. if I sign up, will a free recording be available? Thank you. ps. the painting in the advertisement is glorious! Hope we will try something like that! Hoping for landscapes, seascapes and maybe a still life!

Johannes Instructor
08-13-2013, 03:52 PM
Hi Ken and Jo, I will be working this weekend. if I sign up, will a free recording be available? Thank you. ps. the painting in the advertisement is glorious! Hope we will try something like that! Hoping for landscapes, seascapes and maybe a still life!
yes downloadable recordings

HazelP
08-16-2013, 09:30 PM
This morning I had a try using the Zorn pallet. I really enjoyed your free class Ken!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Aug-2013/915542-image.jpg

Milford Sound, New Zealand.

HazelP
08-16-2013, 09:34 PM
This is the photo I used.

HazelP
08-17-2013, 04:02 AM
Zorn Pallet

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Aug-2013/915542-image.jpg

Jacdesusbielle
08-17-2013, 05:25 AM
I suppose I should have received an email from Jo about Ken's class today. But nothing. I just came back from a trip in California and subscribed from there. What do I do ?

just having fun
08-17-2013, 12:13 PM
Just signed up lost book mark page!.:(

spudsmom
08-17-2013, 06:49 PM
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Ken,
I really enjoyed the class today. I wasn't certain I was going to like the sky when we began, but I changed my mind.
I haven't painted all summer but am glad I started back today.

Comments?
Sherri

upthebloodytree
08-18-2013, 05:37 AM
Here's a landscape using the Zorn palette. I took the photo on a plein air painting day. I really enjoyed painting with zorn.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Aug-2013/226446-brynmelyn2s.jpg

Regards,

Ray

Jacdesusbielle
08-18-2013, 09:01 AM
[QUOTE=HazelP]Zorn Pallet

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Aug-2013/915542-image.jpg[/p

Wow Hazel ! Super beautiful ! Congrats !

Jacdesusbielle
08-18-2013, 09:02 AM
Here's a landscape using the Zorn palette. I took the photo on a plein air painting day. I really enjoyed painting with zorn.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Aug-2013/226446-brynmelyn2s.jpg

Regards,

Ray

Excellent Ray ! Love it !

Jacdesusbielle
08-18-2013, 09:15 AM
The image is cropped to meet WC standards. Loved painting this place even I'd I did not care too much about Zorn palette because I was painting in pastel. My figures are not good I know .... Thank you Ken for a wonderful class.

Jacdesusbielle
08-18-2013, 09:17 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Aug-2013/1067432-image.jpg

LadyMadonna
08-19-2013, 07:43 PM
I can't say I am liking the Zorn palette just yet but hopefully by the end of the course I will. I find my painting looks very "old school' not sure if it is the shades or the way I mixed the paint. I went a little nuts with people marks. :)

upthebloodytree
08-19-2013, 07:53 PM
Here's my attempt, sorry about the wobbly domes ! I ran out of time and energy to add the people.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Aug-2013/226446-sanmarco-s.jpg

Regards,

Ray

rib00
08-19-2013, 09:38 PM
Kenneth,

Were you going to post a pic of your finalized painting done during the free demo? Just curious to see the final version. Thanks.

Bill

mickisew
08-19-2013, 09:57 PM
Hey guys, for homework just finish up the painting we did. I would like to see how you handled it. Furthermore, I will be submitting ( shortly) ideas of a few subjects I have in mind for you to vote on it...unless of course I find something I know I need to do in your best interest.
Micki is posting this for me, so take it as being official.
Best,
Ken

nougat
08-19-2013, 11:45 PM
Yes Sir Ken Sir!!!

marionh
08-20-2013, 03:30 AM
Could we have a pic of the reference photo? I know Ken said to paint along as he is doing it for the experience and not to worry about the ref. But I am finding it would have helped - for example when Ken started it didn't look like the building was on an angle.

Not quite finished with mine - almost there though. Not sure I like the Zorn palette but it is interesting to be taken out of my comfort zone - I have resisted the temptation to add some bright splashes of colour. :lol:

I have looked up the Zorn palette and I see there are some interesting colourful colours that can be created. So maybe experimentation in mixing is on the cards for today.
Here is a link to a mixing grid that I found helpful http://michaellynnadams.com/zorn-palette/

marionh
08-20-2013, 06:06 AM
More or less finished. Need some tweaks. Are the people big enough?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Aug-2013/42113-st-marks-square-web.jpg
40x50cm (16"x20")

I also did this colour mixing exercise (after doing the painting of course).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Aug-2013/42113-palette-mix-web.jpg

Some interesting hues there - maybe I am liking the palette a bit more. I don't like the black. I find it very dull and flat, but I am using a pebeo paint which was the only one I could find in my local shops at short notice. I have ordered some W&N ivory black and I am hoping that makes a difference. I do have stop myself adding some blue to this black:lol:

leahwiedemer
08-20-2013, 01:46 PM
Well, I can see this is going to take some practice!http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Aug-2013/1122902-first_homework_1.jpg

mickisew
08-20-2013, 03:26 PM
[quote=marionh]Could we have a pic of the reference photo? I know Ken said to paint along as he is doing it for the experience and not to worry about the ref. But I am finding it would have helped - for example when Ken started it didn't look like the building was on an angle.


Marion - There were two ref photos included in the email "Instructions for Class 1". You can also do a search for images of the location - there are many.

Hope this helps.

Micki

marionh
08-20-2013, 05:17 PM
Sorry I never got the email with the ref photo (not in my spam either)
I did do a search which helped a little after the event.

ToskaFromAlabama
08-20-2013, 06:25 PM
Ken, Here is my finished painting (pending comments/future changes).

Toska
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Aug-2013/1146577-St_Marks_.jpg

mickisew
08-20-2013, 06:41 PM
Sorry I never got the email with the ref photo (not in my spam either)
I did do a search which helped a little after the event.

I presume you filled out the registration for the class - that is how the email list is created.

You can register again by going to your North Light account, view order, and click on the "to complete your registration" button - the print is small, but it is in read.

Last resort is to email Jo at [email protected]

Micki

marionh
08-21-2013, 03:55 AM
Thanks Micki. I did register as I know the drill. But I will do so again.

mickisew
08-21-2013, 11:17 AM
Thanks Micki. I did register as I know the drill. But I will do so again.

LOL Marion - I don't remember everyone - who has taken what classes. Forgive me?

Hugs, Micki :)

LynnM
08-21-2013, 06:31 PM
Some really nice interpretations here, well done!

Here's mine, gouache with carbon black (no blue tinges), titanium white, vermillion and yellow ochre light, on Arches 140 rough. It is only 7x9 inches, so I didn't try to put in the people....it does look empty! An interesting challenge, thanks Ken. My first try with the Zorn palette (approximately!) Too much cloning with the arches, and it is cropped a bit close at the top.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Aug-2013/97813-basilica_Zorn_palette_gouache.jpg

KennethVloothuisart
08-22-2013, 12:22 PM
I will send a reference photo or photos tomorrow. What we will do is splice our own painting, meaning out of several reference pics compose our own painting, but all you need to do is follow me on the colors. I see some people dislike the black, I know, it is hard to handle. But I need you guys to bear with me and thoroughly explore all the possibilities, not just try it once and say nay. I myself tried it several times before I understood its usage. Next class we will use a more prismatic fall subject in order to explore more hues. And the third day something even more greyer, so that you break the painting down into just warm and cool, and the final day we will do a subject where we add just a few more colors. Take this course as a guide for your own future study, or as a template. I will be reviewing homework tonite. Best,
KEn

Sienna black
08-22-2013, 12:50 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Aug-2013/221528-image.jpg I changed this a bit from the one I posted in Facebook. Took some stuff out and worked on the perspective of the people. Added a baloon salesperson for fun. Sonia Z.Palik

leahwiedemer
08-22-2013, 03:54 PM
I took another stab at the Zorn palette today and am considerably happier. I'll keep practicing though. So much to learn!http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Aug-2013/1122902-Market_Day_6web.jpg

crafor
08-22-2013, 04:11 PM
Here is my class piece. My birds are on a ledge, looking down on the crowd. My perspective is off on bothends, ad on the details, would be adjusted for a finished piece. I did make an adjustment to it, but areas need more. I think the building is too gold-y, too, for the light.
Ella
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Aug-2013/978289-P8220562.JPG

crafor
08-22-2013, 04:16 PM
And my zorn palette landscape--not pleased with it, and see many areas for improvement. It is plein air, but there's more I could have done with the sky and field. Used WN Oil Bars for this, a learning experience ll the way around. I think that with tube paint, I might have gotten a wider variety of color.
Ella

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Aug-2013/978289-P8220559.JPG

LadyMadonna
08-22-2013, 06:16 PM
I really like that one Leah !! Hope I get better with more practise too. Great job.

leahwiedemer
08-23-2013, 08:59 AM
Thank you Donna!

Jacdesusbielle
08-23-2013, 09:32 AM
Like Donna, I love your painting Leah. Bravo !

ToskaFromAlabama
08-23-2013, 09:32 AM
I took another stab at the Zorn palette today and am considerably happier. I'll keep practicing though. So much to learn!


Leah, Great job! I can't see anything you could have done better. I am actually inspired by it.

Toska

LynnM
08-23-2013, 09:34 AM
Yes, Leah, it inspires me too, to keep an open mind about this palette.

createabundance
08-23-2013, 02:17 PM
Hello Ken,

What do we need to do for homework for tomorrow's class?

Thanks
Sam

mickisew
08-23-2013, 02:32 PM
Hello Ken,

What do we need to do for homework for tomorrow's class?

Thanks
Sam

Refer to post 26 in this thread - on page 2.

Micki

leahwiedemer
08-23-2013, 02:34 PM
Thank you. Very nice of you to say.

totsy
08-23-2013, 03:49 PM
Ken's sky colors is passionate and it was awesome how it pulled the painting together. So I decided to be a copy cat.

Linnette

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Aug-2013/158729-Florence_1.JPG

marionh
08-23-2013, 03:58 PM
Have the reference photos been sent out?

mickisew
08-23-2013, 04:02 PM
Reference photos and class information are posted on the Student Access Page.

Micki

marionh
08-23-2013, 04:05 PM
Thank you Micki :thumbsup:

totsy
08-23-2013, 05:24 PM
Hi mickiesew, just where do I find the Student Access Page?

Linnette

mickisew
08-23-2013, 05:49 PM
Hi mickiesew, just where do I find the Student Access Page?

Linnette
It is the page you are directed to after you pay and register for the class. The link is also in the email from Jo entitled "Instructions for Class 1".

Micki

The info is also included in our group on Facebook

totsy
08-23-2013, 06:23 PM
mickisew, I've told Jo that I don't have the e-mail from him. I only have the e-mail from Northlight and WC. I received it, but deleted it..actually I don't even know when I deleted it.

I hope to receive one with the instructions for Class 2! Have you received that one yet?

I guess I'll just bat in the dark like I did last week.


Thanks

crafor
08-23-2013, 06:31 PM
I've been mixing paint and not getting anything resembling a green.
Using Grumbacher yellow ocher (semi opaque) and ivory black, semi-transparent. Tried the ochre with lamp black, also semi-opaque, still no green.
Hazel P, what brands, colors are you mixing, what proportions, to get that green?
Any suggestions?
Ella

mickisew
08-23-2013, 06:35 PM
mickisew, I've told Jo that I don't have the e-mail from him. I only have the e-mail from Northlight and WC. I received it, but deleted it..actually I don't even know when I deleted it.

I hope to receive one with the instructions for Class 2! Have you received that one yet?

I guess I'll just bat in the dark like I did last week.


Thanks

Linette:

Go to North Light - log in - go to your dashboard. Click on downloadable products and find your order. Click on "view order". In red - small print, but you will find it - is "to complete ....". Click on that and it will take you to the registration page. Complete the registration again and it will take you to the Student Access Page - BOOKMARK IT!

Hope this works out for you.

Micki

Johannes Instructor
08-23-2013, 09:19 PM
Hi mickiesew, just where do I find the Student Access Page?

Linnette
Did you complete your registration with go to meeting after you paid?

HazelP
08-23-2013, 09:47 PM
I've been mixing paint and not getting anything resembling a green.
Using Grumbacher yellow ocher (semi opaque) and ivory black, semi-transparent. Tried the ochre with lamp black, also semi-opaque, still no green.
Hazel P, what brands, colors are you mixing, what proportions, to get that green?
Any suggestions?
Ella

Ella I used Atelier Interactive Acrylics - titanium white, carbon black, cad red, and yellow ochre with a touch of cad yellow light as I didn't have the yellow ochre pale which Ken used and I recall him saying it seemed to have a touch of yellow in it.
Hazel

MapperGis
08-23-2013, 09:48 PM
My attempt I will redo the sky more like Ken's demo. the reflection at top dome is from camera. Anyway wanted to get this in before deadline. Thank You so much. Loishttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Aug-2013/221251-Aug17.jpg

totsy
08-23-2013, 10:22 PM
mickiesew, thanks for your patience. I registered again and now I'm set for tomorrow, all well.

Thanks Jo, I did register before, but I think I dumped the confirmation. I had the original e-mail confirmation from Northlight, so I re-registered and bingo!!

Appreciate you-all's help...as they say down heay in Georgia!

Linnette

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 10:32 PM
My attempt I will redo the sky more like Ken's demo. the reflection at top dome is from camera. Anyway wanted to get this in before deadline. Thank You so much. Loishttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Aug-2013/221251-Aug17.jpg

I am happy that the whole things seems much greyer than mine, which is what I would have been happier with. I see many of you really did follow along. I would vary the colors more with the people, get wild there. :clap:

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 10:34 PM
Ella I used Atelier Interactive Acrylics - titanium white, carbon black, cad red, and yellow ochre with a touch of cad yellow light as I didn't have the yellow ochre pale which Ken used and I recall him saying it seemed to have a touch of yellow in it.
Hazel
It is is easier with ochre pale to get the green, but it is possible with regular yellow ochre. See if this works. Mix far away from your red a mixture of white and yellow, just lighten that ochre a touch, then mix a gray, using your IVORY black bringing it to the exact value as the previous mixture of ochre and white. THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN mix them, and get the green.

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 10:37 PM
Ken's sky colors is passionate and it was awesome how it pulled the painting together. So I decided to be a copy cat.

Linnette

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Aug-2013/158729-Florence_1.JPG

AHAAHAHA, well in my case, since the bulding in the light was too light, I felt it would have look awkward with a brighter sky, So I went for the crimson look. But yours has more punch. It looks nice.:thumbsup:

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 10:39 PM
I've been mixing paint and not getting anything resembling a green.
Using Grumbacher yellow ocher (semi opaque) and ivory black, semi-transparent. Tried the ochre with lamp black, also semi-opaque, still no green.
Hazel P, what brands, colors are you mixing, what proportions, to get that green?
Any suggestions?
Ella

Not to worry, I will demo it tomorrow.

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 10:42 PM
I Ken, Here is my finished painting (pending comments/future changes).

Toska
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Aug-2013/1146577-St_Marks_.jpg

I knew that grey black would look bluish next to that red. See, the simultaneous contrast theory really plays in here. I see many colors in nature that look very blue but I know that if I just mix it with the black, I can get it to look bluer by the adjacent tones. :crossfingers:

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 10:45 PM
Some really nice interpretations here, well done!

Here's mine, gouache with carbon black (no blue tinges), titanium white, vermillion and yellow ochre light, on Arches 140 rough. It is only 7x9 inches, so I didn't try to put in the people....it does look empty! An interesting challenge, thanks Ken. My first try with the Zorn palette (approximately!) Too much cloning with the arches, and it is cropped a bit close at the top.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Aug-2013/97813-basilica_Zorn_palette_gouache.jpg

Yes, cloning is a bit of a problem, but it is weird because that is how it is, right? But in the painting, unless EVERYTHING is going to be tightly rendered architecturally, well, perfectly rounded structures next to sloppier ones would look like so, instead of a a whole architectural subject painted loosely altogether.

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 10:48 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Aug-2013/221528-image.jpg I changed this a bit from the one I posted in Facebook. Took some stuff out and worked on the perspective of the people. Added a baloon salesperson for fun. Sonia Z.Palik

The people look like they are moving, this is a pretty good piece. However, that edge of the main dome against the sky, well, I myself have contemplated if the eye is bothered by such a consistent hard edge like that and instead want some relief by the old 'hit and miss' soft and hard edge effect. But then again I see paintings that sudden harsh edges like that, like Zorn, but I think in his case it was different.

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 10:52 PM
I took another stab at the Zorn palette today and am considerably happier. I'll keep practicing though. So much to learn!http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Aug-2013/1122902-Market_Day_6web.jpg
I shall honor this piece with my silence...

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 10:57 PM
Here is my class piece. My birds are on a ledge, looking down on the crowd. My perspective is off on bothends, ad on the details, would be adjusted for a finished piece. I did make an adjustment to it, but areas need more. I think the building is too gold-y, too, for the light.
Ella
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Aug-2013/978289-P8220562.JPG

What you did here unconsciously, at least to my first impression is that you raised the horizon line. The painting has an excellent color harmony, really. Just watch the value of your reflected light on the dome, they should not be as light as the light, otherwise it will look like a different object altogether.

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 11:00 PM
And my zorn palette landscape--not pleased with it, and see many areas for improvement. It is plein air, but there's more I could have done with the sky and field. Used WN Oil Bars for this, a learning experience ll the way around. I think that with tube paint, I might have gotten a wider variety of color.
Ella

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Aug-2013/978289-P8220559.JPG

Yes you could perhaps have done more, but there is always something of relief with a simplified painting. There is always a place for it.

KennethVloothuisart
08-23-2013, 11:04 PM
Excellent Ray ! Love it !

Jacky, your paintings are very nice, the colors are wonderful. Composition and linear structure or eye movment could have improved, but this is just my perfectionist eye. The house scene, could have been cropped or placed the house more to the right.

HazelP
08-23-2013, 11:56 PM
It is is easier with ochre pale to get the green, but it is possible with regular yellow ochre. See if this works. Mix far away from your red a mixture of white and yellow, just lighten that ochre a touch, then mix a gray, using your IVORY black bringing it to the exact value as the previous mixture of ochre and white. THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN mix them, and get the green.

Could you maybe demonstrate this combination in tomorrow's class Ken. I've just tried this combination in oils and cannot come up with anything very green. I have not got any yellow ochre pale here at present to give it a try.

I got some lovely greens by adding a tiny spot of cad yellow light to the combination.

Hazel

pamshowcase
08-24-2013, 11:59 AM
This green thing is very odd, it doesn't look green to me on the palette but when you put it in canvas it amazingly "reads" green. I am using Holbein WMO. Looking forward to more mixing Zorn lessons.

SalzburgBJ
08-24-2013, 05:19 PM
It will not be so much Zorn's landscape, the class is to show economy of color or proper usage of temperatures, through the Zorn palette. You need to understand this palette, in my opinion, before you can really understand what is happening with color. Landscapes will be demoed. Still lifes, most likely, and portraits, it depends if people want it, no more than one.
I will try to accommodate it to what people want, after all, it is more of a Q&A session from the concepts found in Elements of Form.
Ken




Hi,
I'm taking Kenneth's Zorn palette course, but don't know where to post my homework paintings for critiques. I found several fellow students' works posted on your (Jo's) Facebook Student Alumni page, so I posted mine there -- BUT Ken was just now critiqueing our "homework" on a page somewhere here on WC. Rats! :angel:

Could you/he please send us an email with this info / the right link when you get a mo'? (Or did I overlook it in an earlier message? Sorry if I did.)

:clap: THANKS! I'm really enjoying the challenges!
Beth in Salzburg AUT

Jacdesusbielle
08-25-2013, 04:32 AM
Hi Ken,
I made such a mess with the underpainting in pastel yesterday that I could not go back to it afterwards. So I just watched in utter frustration ! I loved your painting. Just after the video, I will try to do it with such bright colours as yours.
Thank you for this another brilliant class. Looking forward to the next one.

Jacdesusbielle
08-25-2013, 04:37 AM
Yesterday Livestream stopped just as you where giving your opinion on last week works (or is it just me ?). Another frustration not to know what you thought of the other paintings including mine .....

SalzburgBJ
08-25-2013, 08:38 AM
Hi,
I'm taking Kenneth's Zorn palette course, but don't know where to post my homework paintings for critiques. I found several fellow students' works posted on your (Jo's) Facebook Student Alumni page, so I posted mine there -- BUT Ken was just now critiqueing our "homework" on a page somewhere here on WC. Rats! :angel:

Could you/he please send us an email with this info / the right link when you get a mo'? (Or did I overlook it in an earlier message? Sorry if I did.)

:clap: THANKS! I'm really enjoying the challenges!
Beth in Salzburg AUT




:lol: FORGET WHAT I SAID -- I've been searching for a WC page dedicated only to Kenneth's comments/critiques of this class's paintings. I finally read thru more of this *discussion* (!) thread -- and HERE are the painting posts for the Zorn class. Okayyyyy, now i get it (finally)...

Duh! Sorry to be a bother. Now I'm (literally) on the same page as the rest of you! lol

SalzburgBJ
08-25-2013, 09:27 AM
Just wanted to post more ZORN palette info I found on the 'Net, e.g. to help with color mixing ideas.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231423

I tried uploading some of the color charts, but can't resize them enough that they suit WC's standards, yet can still be easily viewed.


Here is also a photo of my first attempt at a Zorn-palette/architectural motif (finally posted in the right place).
The actual painting (oil on 30x40 cm canvas panel) has changed some since this was taken, but oh well. Sorry the image is skewed a bit. My "studio" is SO small I can't a straighter angle than this.

Betsy722
08-25-2013, 10:32 AM
I took another stab at the Zorn palette today and am considerably happier. I'll keep practicing though. So much to learn!

Love this very much!

cmedford
08-25-2013, 10:08 PM
I am loving the Zorn palette. Really learning a lot. I painted my own color chart with it, and then discovered this wonderful website that has a very detailed color chart in the Zorn method. http://michaellynnadams.com/2013/05/
It's amazing how many colors can be made with just these four tubes. I also read that in Zorn's day the Ivory Black had more blue in it, so there was a suggestion to use 2/3 IB and add 1/3 Ultramarine Blue to it. Not sure if Ken would agree with that. I am sort of missing having blue on the palette, because I love having real blue in the sky. But I love the color mixes with the Zorn palette. What to do ... hum

KennethVloothuisart
08-26-2013, 11:59 AM
I am loving the Zorn palette. Really learning a lot. I painted my own color chart with it, and then discovered this wonderful website that has a very detailed color chart in the Zorn method. http://michaellynnadams.com/2013/05/
It's amazing how many colors can be made with just these four tubes. I also read that in Zorn's day the Ivory Black had more blue in it, so there was a suggestion to use 2/3 IB and add 1/3 Ultramarine Blue to it. Not sure if Ken would agree with that. I am sort of missing having blue on the palette, because I love having real blue in the sky. But I love the color mixes with the Zorn palette. What to do ... hum

I have not heard about that, the ivory black being bluer. Though when I see the color changes in his paintings I see the colors just as I mix them, because any more blue would be noticeable. This I am not sure off, thought you can get a blue grey with just that palette, if you wish to experiment and add blue to it, you may. In the last class I will use other pigments as well to show when you can stray off remember. Remember, this is just a template, a starting point to learn how to use color, by no means is it an end in itself. We artist need to come up with refreshing ways to make us think outside the box and take up challenged and limits that will make us improve. So fear not!!!

KennethVloothuisart
08-26-2013, 12:01 PM
Just wanted to post more ZORN palette info I found on the 'Net, e.g. to help with color mixing ideas.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=231423

I tried uploading some of the color charts, but can't resize them enough that they suit WC's standards, yet can still be easily viewed.


Here is also a photo of my first attempt at a Zorn-palette/architectural motif (finally posted in the right place).
The actual painting (oil on 30x40 cm canvas panel) has changed some since this was taken, but oh well. Sorry the image is skewed a bit. My "studio" is SO small I can't a straighter angle than this.

Beautiful warm glow, but do I detect some cadmium in there???:smug:

KennethVloothuisart
08-26-2013, 12:03 PM
:lol: FORGET WHAT I SAID -- I've been searching for a WC page dedicated only to Kenneth's comments/critiques of this class's paintings. I finally read thru more of this *discussion* (!) thread -- and HERE are the painting posts for the Zorn class. Okayyyyy, now i get it (finally)...

Duh! Sorry to be a bother. Now I'm (literally) on the same page as the rest of you! lol

The confusion came about when WETCANVAS down for a few hours and so we decided to use a facebook page as a back up. People have gotten very comfortable with it. Though I prefer people using THIS forum, and leave the other one as a backup.

KennethVloothuisart
08-26-2013, 12:06 PM
This green thing is very odd, it doesn't look green to me on the palette but when you put it in canvas it amazingly "reads" green. I am using Holbein WMO. Looking forward to more mixing Zorn lessons.
Right, you will hardly get a blue or a green when comparing it to the white or grey of the palette, you need the surrounding colors, and at the end of the day, isn't that a huge part about learning color theory to begin with?

There was a student really persisting that she could not get green with that palette, but I heard no more remarks of the sort near the end of the painting demo. The purpose of this palette is to show how in a painting something so insignificant can mean so much while meaning so little on the palette and in the abstract!!!! This is the whole point of my paint along is to know how to do this. I remember when I say Aspevig's palette as he mixed the paints, how a warm grey looked perfectly colorful on the canvas....:confused:

leahwiedemer
08-26-2013, 12:13 PM
Is there a homework assignment for this week?

HazelP
08-26-2013, 01:16 PM
When I went to our local art store to buy some yellow ochre pale I noticed Windsor & Newton have blue black. I wonder how that would look in the Zorn pallet.

emor3
08-26-2013, 03:09 PM
cmedford, thanks for the link to the expanded Zorn palette. That helps to figure out how to mix the colors.:)

LadyMadonna
08-26-2013, 03:41 PM
I have to be honest here , after a lot of swearing and scraping off I was finally able to get this to a half decent level for posting. I worked very hard to achieve more light in this one than the one before. The only thing I did different was to use zinc white to scumble the sky and it gave a misty look which I liked. At times I used pure cad red as I remember reading somewhere that it made your green look more green...and I used pure black sparingly for a darker value on my tree branch.
I hope I got the eye flow with the oranges and yellow hues.
ps First time trying lily pads.
pps. I am glad this one is over !

ToskaFromAlabama
08-26-2013, 04:52 PM
Ken, I painted along, but did a different composition. Hope to try Zorn palette using a lot lighter and brighter painting next Saturday.
12 x 16 oil on canvas board.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Aug-2013/1146577-Aug_26_2013_oil__12_x_16_fall_water.jpg

crafor
08-27-2013, 11:11 AM
I had pinker/orangier distant water but it wasn't working. I think this looks better. C&C welcome.
Ella
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Aug-2013/978289-P8270573.JPG

upthebloodytree
08-27-2013, 11:38 AM
Here's my attempt at the paintalong. I found it hard to keep up but just about managed it. Finished painting looks a bit muddy to me. I like a lot of light and contrast in my paintings so this is a bit of struggle for me.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Aug-2013/226446-1185020_10201602971533646_617856808_n.jpg

Cheers,

Ray

leahwiedemer
08-27-2013, 05:38 PM
full discolosrure - I've had a martini half way on this one so.... Maybe fall scenes aren't my thing.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Aug-2013/1122902-zoen_homework_2web.jpg also, I'm not terribly successful doing the paint along. It works better for me if I watch Ken work and then paint afterwards.

SalzburgBJ
08-27-2013, 07:08 PM
Beautiful warm glow, but do I detect some cadmium in there???:smug:


Nope -- the brands of paint I was using offer no yellow ochre pale, so as you (Jo?) suggested, I added a neutral yellow ("fast yellow pale") to the ochre to lighten it, not white. And as you probably know, amateur photographs of paintings rarely capture the colors right. This came sort of close, but most of the actual painting looks considerably "brighter", esp the reds....

:wave:

SalzburgBJ
08-27-2013, 07:27 PM
I have to be honest here , after a lot of swearing and scraping off I was finally able to get this to a half decent level for posting. I worked very hard to achieve more light in this one than the one before. The only thing I did different was to use zinc white to scumble the sky and it gave a misty look which I liked. At times I used pure cad red as I remember reading somewhere that it made your green look more green...and I used pure black sparingly for a darker value on my tree branch.
I hope I got the eye flow with the oranges and yellow hues.
ps First time trying lily pads.
pps. I am glad this one is over !


Lovely!!!!
One of the things I've embraced with this palette is that "dusty rose/lavender" that can be made with the black & red + white. Seems like you've embraced it too! :thumbsup:

Johannes Instructor
08-28-2013, 07:25 AM
Ken, I painted along, but did a different composition. Hope to try Zorn palette using a lot lighter and brighter painting next Saturday.
12 x 16 oil on canvas board.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Aug-2013/1146577-Aug_26_2013_oil__12_x_16_fall_water.jpg
I like this painting Toska. Well executed!

ToskaFromAlabama
08-28-2013, 09:16 AM
I like this painting Toska. Well executed!

Thank you Jo! :)

leahwiedemer
08-28-2013, 10:01 AM
And because I can't ever leave things alone... I think it is a bit improved but it still needs help.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Aug-2013/1122902-homework_zorn_final.jpg

leahwiedemer
08-28-2013, 11:46 AM
Last time on this. I promise! I'm stepping away from the easel. The left side was bothering me - lacking depth so I put in a tree.:confused:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Aug-2013/1122902-fall_riverweb.jpg

HazelP
08-28-2013, 11:27 PM
Here is my version of last weekends Paintalong. Looking forward to the next one now. These classes are so very helpful thanks Ken.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Aug-2013/915542-image.jpg

KennethVloothuisart
08-29-2013, 04:17 PM
It is better if I go through the paintings after class, this way I can be more direct and verbal with my observations. NIce work everyone.
Ken

valh
08-30-2013, 08:24 PM
My 2nd effort from the Aug 24 class...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Aug-2013/40174-IMG_6833_2.jpg

beart
08-30-2013, 09:09 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Aug-2013/88528-IMG_1546_2.jpg I should have put this on early as I did it last Sunday. I really wasn't too pleased with it.

arp8nter
08-30-2013, 11:51 PM
Here is my version of the fall landscape with water.

MapperGis
08-31-2013, 12:32 AM
Sorry busy week and I will miss tomorrow. Will need to catch up next week.
Lois

SalzburgBJ
08-31-2013, 05:39 AM
It's been a busy week with little time for painting, so this is (as you can see) a work in progress.

I've blocked in a partially submerged log for the foreground (w/ temp changes), but the colors & temps are NOT how they'll all stay (plan a darker brown ground with bright fallen leaves, for instance, not this bright, sandy color).

Middle ground & (too muddy/red) water surface are also still in flux -- I want to perhaps add bright(er) ochre over the gray bush structure on the L middle ground to draw the eye toward that side.

In short -- we shall see. Thanks for the lesson Kenneth!
:cat:

marionh
08-31-2013, 07:35 AM
Here is my take on last weeks tutorial. I painted along up until the break but then my lighting was so bad I had to give up.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Aug-2013/42113-Autumn-waters-web.jpg

Sienna black
08-31-2013, 10:35 AM
Anyone know what size canvas we are working on today and do we texture the canvas???

SalzburgBJ
08-31-2013, 11:57 AM
I really like everyone's variations -- for various reasons! Lots of learning going on here. :-)

Sienna black
08-31-2013, 01:26 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Aug-2013/221528-photo_2.JPG :angel:

crafor
08-31-2013, 04:16 PM
my finished landscape homework-zorn palette. Refined colors, added center of interest. Managed to get some greens, but did add a touch of cad yellow to foreground grasses. (class project was post 93)
Ella

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Aug-2013/978289-P8270574.JPG

watchmepaint
08-31-2013, 04:35 PM
Boy this is silly trying to post a photo and the meg says I have to post two times first so frustrating!
this is #2 hope it will let me now:wave:

watchmepaint
08-31-2013, 04:36 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Aug-2013/1350008-sherri_westfalls_Zorn_week_2.jpg
OMG it worked:) WHEW took forever!

crafor
08-31-2013, 05:26 PM
Thanks for the excellent class and the wonderful homework review. It helped. Now to apply!
Ella

ToskaFromAlabama
09-01-2013, 09:28 AM
Ken,

I loved to hear about (and see) color relationships and their effect. The sun is out today, so I'll be able to complete the painting.

Where did you post your completed paintings?

Thanks again for all the valuable information. :smug:

Jacdesusbielle
09-01-2013, 11:24 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Sep-2013/1067432-image.jpg
Pastel on Art Spectrum
Thanks so much Ken for this excellent class. I learned a lot though I don't follow you of course with mixing the colours. I had to fight with mine anyway ...
Loved the Grand Canyon by Jo as well. I was there 3 weeks ago and enjoyed watching him do this WC so well.
Is painting along in pastel something you might do for a class Ken ?
Thanks a lot to both of you.

Jacdesusbielle
09-01-2013, 11:34 AM
I am not sure I understood what to do for the homework. Is it a private work on one of our painting, dividing it and making something of each square without posting ? Why not : I have a lot of paintings to cut in six pieces ..... Takes less room in the bin ! Haha !

LadyMadonna
09-01-2013, 02:03 PM
I am unsure what the homework was as well but I thought it was to complete what we started yesterday. I may be wrong...anyhoo, here is my rendition.

I still find the Zorn palette dark for landscapes. I had a difficult time with the branch in the front so I ended up taking it out and making what I hope and pray looks like ice. What comes first trees or snow ...again a difficulty. I should have had a more textured canvas for this one. I painted it on a 9 by 12 linen pad I had around. I feel it needs some highlights ..for that purpose it will need to dry more. The left side bothered me so I tried to simplify.

ToskaFromAlabama
09-01-2013, 05:24 PM
Here is my painting from paint along three. I moved the horizon line down and added some footprints.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Sep-2013/1146577-winter_stream_oil_16x20_Sept_2013_2.jpg

beart
09-01-2013, 05:55 PM
Donna, I love the ice patches, yes you do know your snow and ice:clap:

beart
09-01-2013, 06:04 PM
Here it is. I used my notes and tried to do it by memory. I came up from basement and turned on the computer to check the photo and went back and and tried to make it work but I think it needs steroids as it is very weak. LOL :music: I probably need Beethoven sympathy

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Sep-2013/88528-IMG_1555_2.jpg

Pinklady219
09-02-2013, 06:59 PM
Here is my one and only surviving Zorn palette painting. My other paintings are under this one. It's an 11x14 acrylic. I think I may even like this palette. I was looking back at all the paintings I did with Joe and many, many of them are using this palette. Thank you for looking!! :wave:

Sienna black
09-03-2013, 03:09 PM
:wave: Well this is mine. 14 x18 oil. A challenge for sure. I have been fiddling with it and i decided to stop and call it done! http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2013/221528-image.jpg

Betsy722
09-03-2013, 08:25 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2013/979163-Zorn_Stream_Exercise.jpg

Tried to follow the live drawing session. I see some fabulous submissions that departed quite a bit from that. Didn't know we could depart that much. Had trouble understanding the use of pinks/salmons for reflections. My snow has yellow (Sunlight?) in it, but it's not showing up here. All help is appreciated. Thanks!

chickadeedee
09-03-2013, 10:50 PM
Here is my painting from paint along three. I moved the horizon line down and added some footprints.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Sep-2013/1146577-winter_stream_oil_16x20_Sept_2013_2.jpg I love the foot prints in the snow.

Betsy722
09-04-2013, 07:08 AM
:wave: Well this is mine. 14 x18 oil. A challenge for sure. I have been fiddling with it and i decided to stop and call it done! http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2013/221528-image.jpg

I really love this! I especially like the anatomy of your trees. Very observant. I need to get out and study some trees. Thanks for the inspiration!

Sienna black
09-04-2013, 03:42 PM
:wave: Well this is mine. 14 x18 oil. A challenge for sure. I have been fiddling with it and i decided to stop and call it done! http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2013/221528-image.jpg
I got rid of some branches that were bothering me.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Sep-2013/221528-image.jpg

KennethVloothuisart
09-04-2013, 05:13 PM
It is amazing how different the paintings can seem. Alright, thanks for posting, I will verbally review these in detail on Saturday.
KEn

valh
09-05-2013, 10:11 AM
Week 3 paint along. Perhaps I should have splashed some pink along
the right bank. Great class, had lots of fun with this one even tho I had a hard time keeping up with you.
Cheers!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Sep-2013/40174-IMG_6927.jpg

ToskaFromAlabama
09-05-2013, 10:31 AM
Week 3 paint along. Perhaps I should have splashed some pink along
the right bank. Great class, had lots of fun with this one even tho I had a hard time keeping up with you.
Cheers!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Sep-2013/40174-IMG_6927.jpg
Val,

I really like the curve and "melodic line" of the stream!

leahwiedemer
09-05-2013, 11:19 AM
I love the warm glow.

ToskaFromAlabama
09-05-2013, 04:36 PM
Well, I thought I would try a watercolor using the Zorn palette. It started out great, as long as you keep the colors very light/transparent. (Because you have to use the white paper instead of white paint.) The ivory black is very staining. So a mistake could not be washed out.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Sep-2013/1146577-WC_Zorn_palette.jpg

upthebloodytree
09-05-2013, 05:02 PM
Finished at last. What's next ?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Sep-2013/226446-zornsnow3s.jpg

bcrane
09-05-2013, 10:39 PM
Hi Ken,
Here's my paintalong for class 3. I'm having trouble getting blue in the water--suggestions?

bcrane
09-05-2013, 10:49 PM
This is my paintalong for class 2. Sorry it's late but didn't have the link. Again, the water is gray so from a distance it's tough to distinguish that it should be blue. Suggestions?

marionh
09-06-2013, 02:54 AM
Some tidying up needed and a need to de-clone:lol: Looking at the photo, I need to lighten the ice as well as it looks the same tone as the shadow.

30x40cm
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Sep-2013/42113-snow-scene-web.jpg

ToskaFromAlabama
09-06-2013, 08:52 PM
I really didn't like the original. As I said, I got in trouble when adding darker values. Shouldn't do that when using a lot of color changes. Here is the same painting, but cropped the bottom off. (Got rid of the "stacking" of darks.)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Sep-2013/1146577-cropped_wc_Zorn_palette.jpg

marionh
09-07-2013, 11:06 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Sep-2013/42113-snow-scene-web.jpg
A few minor touch-ups added

spudsmom
09-07-2013, 11:33 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Sep-2013/895452-Winter_Creek.jpg

Here is my work in progress from last week. I am amazed at how using ivory black and white made blue in this painting.
Comments or suggestions appreciated.

Love the classes Ken and Jo!:clap:

Sherri

aka Spudsmom

crafor
09-07-2013, 12:39 PM
Not happy with the stream bed in paraticular, and there's no depth. How do I correct that? The shadow for the branch viewer lower right neededs altered.
Ella

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Sep-2013/978289-P9070598.JPG

LadyMadonna
09-07-2013, 07:12 PM
I may tweak a few edges or maybe not..I was done when Ken was today.
I am afraid to touch it for fear I overwork it & mess it up.
Gonna leave it for awhile . Great class.
Looking forward to learning more.

Tonalist
09-07-2013, 07:49 PM
wow.. excellent Donna!

woody

crafor
09-07-2013, 07:56 PM
It is very nice. Like that sky in particular.
There is NO way I get a green with yellow ochre and black.
Ella

Pinklady219
09-07-2013, 09:32 PM
This is my paint along with Ken today. This is a 9x12 acrylic. At first, I had to be careful because it dried so dark as I was painting. Then I lightened it up some. I used Atelier Acrylics and they lift if you work with them immediately as you can see in the misty part. I just may leave it. :crossfingers:

Jacdesusbielle
09-08-2013, 12:10 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/1067432-image.jpg
Thank you Ken for these four classes all very instructional and interesting. I'll be glad to participate to any class you intend to give us, I learn so much ! So please come back !
I am not that happy with my painting. I think I got carried away with the different trees .... Anyway it's a pleasure to spend 4 hours painting along with you. I'll be there with your father in a few weeks.

Jacdesusbielle
09-08-2013, 12:12 PM
I forgot to say it is pastel on colourfix.

upthebloodytree
09-08-2013, 12:23 PM
Hi Ken, Really enjoyed the classes. Scumbling white over a selection of pastely colours worked really great for me. I've added some gateposts.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/226446-picton4.jpg

LynnM
09-08-2013, 12:27 PM
Here's mine so far, I need to do more, but am hesitating on how much detail to add, I really like the abstract look that developed. I am struggling with using the gouache like oils, as it lifts so readily as you get to the upper layers, so the process is normally a little different.

Sky shows bluer than it is IRL.

Gouache, 5.5x8.5 inches

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/97813-my_painting_stage_1.jpg

It was a really good class, Ken, and I learned so much about process and mixing.

spudsmom
09-08-2013, 02:25 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/895452-the_road_less_traveled.jpg

Here's what I have thus far. I realize I need to fix the railroad track path to make it more interesting. I really love the way we painted the sky and will probably use that method again.

Can't wait for the next class.

Sherri

LadyMadonna
09-08-2013, 03:17 PM
I feel the same way Spuds..by the way , your easel looks like my easel , your window ledge looks like my ledge , your view like my view. ..and that painting is similar too ! Great work !

beart
09-08-2013, 06:10 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/88528-IMG_1566_2.jpg My attempt at yesterday's class:wave:

beart
09-08-2013, 06:12 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/88528-IMG_1565_2.jpg :crossfingers: I reworked the terrible one I did before.

Jacdesusbielle
09-09-2013, 04:19 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/895452-the_road_less_traveled.jpg

Here's what I have thus far. I realize I need to fix the railroad track path to make it more interesting. I really love the way we painted the sky and will probably use that method again.

Can't wait for the next class.

Sherri
Very nice Sherri ! Love your colours and the good harmony of the painting !

beart
09-09-2013, 04:39 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Sep-2013/88528-IMG_1569_2.jpg I redid it hoping to make it better.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/88528-IMG_1566_2.jpg My attempt at yesterday's class:wave:

beart
09-09-2013, 04:42 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/88528-IMG_1565_2.jpg :crossfingers: I reworked the terrible one I did before. okay, I still didn't like it so hopefully made some improvements:clap: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Sep-2013/88528-IMG_1572_2.jpg

valh
09-09-2013, 07:07 PM
Week 4 paint along.
I think the neg shape of the sky could be better even tho I struggled hard to get it this far. That left tree line is really just a big 'ol C shape. You could say the same for the road which I curved on purpose 'cause I didn't really like the straight road.
I think I got confused on which color/palette to use. I see a lot of nice greens in everyones paintings.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Sep-2013/40174-IMG_6968_2.jpg

Jacdesusbielle
09-10-2013, 06:30 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Sep-2013/1067432-image.jpg

A better and modified version of the painting I posted before. The pine tree on the left does not yet satisfy me .....

Betsy722
09-11-2013, 03:32 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Sep-2013/979163-Misty_Morning_Woods2.jpg Tried to follow along to the best of my current ability. Had lots of problems, as you can see. I can't handle the paint coming off the brush yet. I put down a stroke, and it either is transparent (yellow ochre light) or just sinks into the block-in layer. Paint looks a little clumpy, because I am not adept at brushwork, yet. The sky has a little more color modulation from what we put under the white scumble, but it's not showing up here. Not sure I made it foggy enough in the middle ground. I see from the others that I got a little too chromatic in the trees.

Anyway, it is a good exercise to paint along with a more experienced artist. So I am looking forward to the next paint along. I can only get better! Thanks!

spudsmom
09-12-2013, 06:04 AM
I feel the same way Spuds..by the way , your easel looks like my easel , your window ledge looks like my ledge , your view like my view. ..and that painting is similar too ! Great work !

I love my view- I am in the middle of the woods! My 4 season porch where I paint has 9 4 ft x 5 feet windows plus 3 six foot glass sliding doors. It is up one floor so I feel like I am in a tree fort! Lots of trees to look at, now if only I could remember all the nuggets to make them beautiful!

LadyMadonna
09-12-2013, 06:07 PM
Small world it seems. I am in the woods too in a 3 season room because painting in minus 53C does not appeal to me.

susy q
09-13-2013, 06:27 AM
Hi Ken, I must admit that I did not grasp the concepts in the Elements of Form course very well but I am greatful to have joined the Paint Along the day before it ended as I was able to get the downloads. I really enjoyed the paint along as I can understand the concepts better as you explain them and apply them to an actual live painting--excellent learning tool for me. I wanted to copy your painting so much because I liked it but decided to challenge myself to see if I really do understand the concepts you are teaching. So I picked an image that incorporates many vertical planes and the ground plane to see if I could create depth by varying cools and warms and not relying on values to do so. Used the Zorn pallete but with yellow ochre as I just purchased a big tube of it. The surprising thing for me as I progressed is that I no longer am concerned about the Basilica as the people in the painting have intrigued me now--also, can't stop thinking about gelato!!! Here is the reference, my thumbnail and an 18 x24 WMoil painting. Any corrections welcome. Thanks for a great course--the people have more colour in them than the photo shows.

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 02:38 PM
Hi Ken, I must admit that I did not grasp the concepts in the Elements of Form course very well but I am greatful to have joined the Paint Along the day before it ended as I was able to get the downloads. I really enjoyed the paint along as I can understand the concepts better as you explain them and apply them to an actual live painting--excellent learning tool for me. I wanted to copy your painting so much because I liked it but decided to challenge myself to see if I really do understand the concepts you are teaching. So I picked an image that incorporates many vertical planes and the ground plane to see if I could create depth by varying cools and warms and not relying on values to do so. Used the Zorn pallete but with yellow ochre as I just purchased a big tube of it. The surprising thing for me as I progressed is that I no longer am concerned about the Basilica as the people in the painting have intrigued me now--also, can't stop thinking about gelato!!! Here is the reference, my thumbnail and an 18 x24 WMoil painting. Any corrections welcome. Thanks for a great course--the people have more colour in them than the photo shows.

Cons: PAint not thick enough. Expermient more with the medium, get the paint moving. Group the people in clusters this will make a more impacting visual impression, besides, don't people get together in groups and socialize? I would have made the Basilica a bit larger, for the sake of giving it more importance.

Pros. I like that you put things in large masses and you attempted to handle a limited color scheme.

About not relying on value, this is true, if you can get away with it with color, but sometimes you need slight touches of detail (which is value), to make things come back and forth, all I wanted to show that in the initial flat block in stage, it is always better to have gradient flat blocked in masses so that you can stimulate the sense of time and space (depth), more quickly in the painting. Remember, your brain needs to feel that the image that is taking place is believable, and this can be done even in the preliminary drawing.

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 02:39 PM
Hi Ken, I must admit that I did not grasp the concepts in the Elements of Form course very well but I am greatful to have joined the Paint Along the day before it ended as I was able to get the downloads. I really enjoyed the paint along as I can understand the concepts better as you explain them and apply them to an actual live painting--excellent learning tool for me. I wanted to copy your painting so much because I liked it but decided to challenge myself to see if I really do understand the concepts you are teaching. So I picked an image that incorporates many vertical planes and the ground plane to see if I could create depth by varying cools and warms and not relying on values to do so. Used the Zorn pallete but with yellow ochre as I just purchased a big tube of it. The surprising thing for me as I progressed is that I no longer am concerned about the Basilica as the people in the painting have intrigued me now--also, can't stop thinking about gelato!!! Here is the reference, my thumbnail and an 18 x24 WMoil painting. Any corrections welcome. Thanks for a great course--the people have more colour in them than the photo shows.


Great thumbnail disciple and ethic, I wish more were like you. Also, I like the variety of edges.

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 02:44 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Sep-2013/979163-Misty_Morning_Woods2.jpg Tried to follow along to the best of my current ability. Had lots of problems, as you can see. I can't handle the paint coming off the brush yet. I put down a stroke, and it either is transparent (yellow ochre light) or just sinks into the block-in layer. Paint looks a little clumpy, because I am not adept at brushwork, yet. The sky has a little more color modulation from what we put under the white scumble, but it's not showing up here. Not sure I made it foggy enough in the middle ground. I see from the others that I got a little too chromatic in the trees.

Anyway, it is a good exercise to paint along with a more experienced artist. So I am looking forward to the next paint along. I can only get better! Thanks!

I am trying to think of an exercise I can share for paint control but it is really a matter of time. You did manage to handle the painting and follow along quite well. I would have economized a bit more on color, see, the moment you add another pigment to the bunch, the tendecny is to get lazy at mixing and over use it. This is why the Zorn palette is so important for teaching because it forces students to mix and dig for variety because slapping the paint as it comes from the tube can never work here. I recommend copying master works, maybe the impressionists, in order t make you confident with paint.

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 02:47 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Sep-2013/1067432-image.jpg

A better and modified version of the painting I posted before. The pine tree on the left does not yet satisfy me .....

I am not sure I would have tried the technique you tried here with this painting. I can see you tired to get the foliage effect here, but for some reason it does not read like that, it looks very grainy. In some areas you go very chalky and then you got very dark, and the point was to show more of a progression in your values in a more gradual uniform manner. But your colors are very superb, mostly the grass tones which you handled quite well.

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 02:55 PM
Week 4 paint along.
I think the neg shape of the sky could be better even tho I struggled hard to get it this far. That left tree line is really just a big 'ol C shape. You could say the same for the road which I curved on purpose 'cause I didn't really like the straight road.
I think I got confused on which color/palette to use. I see a lot of nice greens in everyones paintings.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Sep-2013/40174-IMG_6968_2.jpg

You did right in making it a more S shape, I did not bother with this because the value would be so close that even as a straight path it would be in distinct, and so my eye wonders around the painting. You avoid straight paths when it is the main linear movement of the painting, but in my case I managed to move the eye around naturally regardless of the straight path. I would have to explain alot of that in detail. Other than that, the first thing that came to mind is your color harmony.I think it is quite good. Even more with that economic dash of red in one area of the painting ,very good. Zorn would do this was well, leave the strongest color for on area. You were allowed to use other pigments, but I think you managed quite well. Your technique needs work, but that will come with time while you area handling broader more important concepts. Cheers!

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 02:59 PM
Week 4 paint along.
I think the neg shape of the sky could be better even tho I struggled hard to get it this far. That left tree line is really just a big 'ol C shape. You could say the same for the road which I curved on purpose 'cause I didn't really like the straight road.
I think I got confused on which color/palette to use. I see a lot of nice greens in everyones paintings.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Sep-2013/40174-IMG_6968_2.jpg

One more thing, you have a great front to back, depth sense, the way you meticulously modelled the tree on the right to come out and be more substantial, along with other areas, proves you have that aestehtic sense. Even the fog and everything, this is a nice painting. Your own observations are not inaccurate. :wink2:

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 03:05 PM
okay, I still didn't like it so hopefully made some improvements:clap: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Sep-2013/88528-IMG_1572_2.jpg
My previous critiques still stand, but the log in the front still looks too forky. Don't give up.

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 03:15 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/88528-IMG_1566_2.jpg My attempt at yesterday's class:wave:

I love the impressionistic pseudo pointillist approach. especially of thin flat areas, showing depth. I would just lighten those dark lines at the ground, You could get away with a straight path unless the eye is not so jerked by it.

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 04:46 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/895452-the_road_less_traveled.jpg

Here's what I have thus far. I realize I need to fix the railroad track path to make it more interesting. I really love the way we painted the sky and will probably use that method again.

Can't wait for the next class.

Sherri

Its the darks that are making too much of a stiff and fast movement, but other than that it turned out pretty well!

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 04:49 PM
Hi Ken, Really enjoyed the classes. Scumbling white over a selection of pastely colours worked really great for me. I've added some gateposts.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2013/226446-picton4.jpg

ahaahahaha wow, I love the moody and appreciate the artist's lenience:clap: you applied here.

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 04:51 PM
I may tweak a few edges or maybe not..I was done when Ken was today.
I am afraid to touch it for fear I overwork it & mess it up.
Gonna leave it for awhile . Great class.
Looking forward to learning more.

Great brush rythm, I see you are incorporating this in your style.

Ken

KennethVloothuisart
09-13-2013, 04:55 PM
This is my paint along with Ken today. This is a 9x12 acrylic. At first, I had to be careful because it dried so dark as I was painting. Then I lightened it up some. I used Atelier Acrylics and they lift if you work with them immediately as you can see in the misty part. I just may leave it. :crossfingers:

I love that I can see the under painting, I encourage things like this. Also the fact that you left the punch of color in one area!! I like it, I think it turned out.
Ken:clap:

sapphirelynn
09-13-2013, 07:19 PM
As usual I had trouble with the greens..http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Sep-2013/122205-1-P1030382.JPG

susy q
09-17-2013, 12:24 PM
Thank you Ken for taking the time to comment on my first attempt at the Zorn palette. I took your suggestions and added some values and loaded the paint thickness up...but not everywhere as Johannes says 'texture everywhere is texture nowhere". I like this painting and had a ton of fun doing it...sometimes we try to do such a good job on a painting because we want it to turn out good and we forget to have fun! Thanks for setting us free from the stringent rules by encouraging us to let it go and paint from the heart. Hope I was able to keep the loose style I am chasing throughout the painting.

totsy
09-18-2013, 05:03 PM
Ken, I'm looking forward to your comments.

Thanks

Linnette


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Sep-2013/158729-best_7.JPG

totsy
09-19-2013, 12:25 AM
Oops, I've got to fix the evergreen!

Linnette

susy q
09-24-2013, 01:57 PM
Hi Ken...here is my attempt at applying impasto and trying to be a bit more abstract, still using the Zorn palette. It was so much fun, and really went fast after working out the thumbnail and including the temperatures I thought I wanted in the thumbnail...so I am second guessing myself--is this done or too sloppy? It is too much fun to be done, right? LOL -- any comments to make it done are welcome. Thank you-made myself use palette knives because I just know I would get too detailed.

lildip
09-26-2013, 01:32 PM
I just found a book I'd bought in 2006 titled "Acrylics, the Water color Alternative" written and illustrated by Charles Harrington. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the cover. It was a beautiful picture of the St. Mark's Cathedral in Venice, and had all the various nuances that Ken put in his picture we used for one of his classes. Even the long shadow across the front of the plaza, as well as people and pigeons. The only difference that I could see was the color of the sky and buildings that Ken put in (bright orange sky and paler orange for the buildings etc.) Wow! I couldn't believe it, but I'm happy I found it, because now I can copy it with the picture right under my nose where I don't have to keep looking up to a moving scene in the video download. I know I can pause it, but even then, my computer is too far away from my painting surfaces and at 80, my eyesight . It says the scene is of early morning light, and is backlit, so the domes even have the same angle shading shown on ken's version.