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JayD
01-16-2005, 11:54 PM
Basics 101: Class 10

Still Life

I think that many of us think of Sill Life as objects nicely arranged on a stand with maybe a lacey doily or sitting on some nice reflective and highly varnished grain of wood.—flowers neatly arranged, organized, categorized and lined up like an identification session in a police line up. Still life is still, we think—and don’t you forget it. Still life is always indoors and is always an arrangement.

I think not. Look at Albrect Durer’s “Great Piece of Turf” for example which was painted in 1503—Turner and his “four fish”(around 1822) and lastly Andrew Wyeth’s bucket post which was painted in 1953. ALL are examples of still life. Objects that present no movement—are still—not moving—yet by their very arrangement represent an element of life itself—hence, Still Life.

Still Life can be your traditional arrangements of course but you are NOT limited to painting still life indoors—ANY non living object that you can contain in a composition can be a still life, whether it be indoors or out side can be considered to be a still life.

Still Life can be said to be a collection of objects combined into an ordered composition that represents a slice of life. Can a still life convey a meaning of importance—some tragic memory or represent a political or artistic statement? Of course they can—look a the work of such noted artists such as WC member Arlene Steinberg. Her work is clean and pristine—well executed technically and on the outside looking in you get a sense of the still life as a pretty picture—but look deeper at some of her work and you will see an in depth mode of thinking—a poignancy of the soul and a sensitivity to these tragic times that lately seem to engulf our lives.

For this class I will be doing a pencil version of the De Reyna demonstration—though not taking it to its final moment—that is for you to do. I have also prepared a demonstration of a quick color pencil sketch of a still life picked from our WC image archive. I am also going to supply you with other examples of still life in which you can practice your newfound skills.

Do the De Reyna exercise with pencil but the demo or any other example that you choose may be in color or may be of any media of your choose. At this point, I want you to go ahead and have some fun—experiment and explore your possibilities. If you have the courage, do a still life in a medium that you have never used before.

Materials:

Paper: Your Choice—I am using Stonehenge and Arches
Pencils: Again, your choice.


Demonstration One: The De Reyna Still Life:

Stage 1: I have drawn the line drawing in the De Reyna book. For the purposes of this demonstration, I am leaving all the lines intact. When you have your shapes complete, normally you would erase the lines but my point here is to consider everything in the composition that you CANNOT see. All of these objects overlap with each other BUT they will always be independent three-dimensional objects. ALWAYS DRAW EACH OBJECT SEPARATELY.

Stage two: I have started to add volume to the objects. The paper that I have chosen as my surface is Arches 140 pound watercolor paper. I like drawing on watercolor paper because it has a marvelous texture. It does have a tendency to wear down the graphite quickly and so you have to sharpen more unless you are using a mechanical pencil.

Stage three: I now have added shading and have started to work on the cloth. Colored in the table and continued work on the texture. You could take this further by adding wood grain or by texturing the background. It is entirely up to you. The point is that once you have identified and drawn the shapes, you now have total control to just let yourself go and be as creative as you think you can be.

Demonstration 2: CP of WC Library Reference

Stage 1: In this second still life, I have again created a basic line drawing of the fruits and the vessels. In this case, the drawing consists of spheres and ellipses. Very elemental objects but when combined make a lovely still life. I started by using an indigo blue pencil to create the initial sketch.

Stage 2: Next I continue with the indigo pencil to created a toned drawing. I ease off the grapes with the indigo pencil a bit because the blue will over power the yellow in the picture.

Stage 3: finally, I add the colors—tuscan red and scarlet lake for the plums and yellow carnary, green and olive green for the grapes.

The paper that I have used here is Stonehenge while I have use Prismacolor brand pencils.

Exercise One: Do the first demonstration—ONLY MAKE IT YOUR OWN. Do the breakdown of the shapes and let us see those—then move on to finish your still life.

[Edit: reference is here: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2010/142886-pot-reference.jpg

Exercise Two: Do the second Demonstration—ONLY CHOOSE YOUR OWN MEDUM. Be as creative as you would like.

[Edit: reference is here: http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=42686] (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=42686%5D)

Exercise Three: Choose one of the extra photo that I have included OR consider doing one of your own choosing. If you do one of your own—explain how you came about choosing your objects, how you decided upon setting up your composition and your choice of paper and medium.

ABOVE ALL

HAPPY DRAWING!!!

JayD
01-16-2005, 11:56 PM
Here is the second demonstation:

JayD
01-16-2005, 11:57 PM
here is the finished piece:

JayD
01-16-2005, 11:58 PM
Finally, here are some practice samples:

Note from the Editor: This thread continues with the recent posts. The older posts can be found in this closed thread:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243677

mindbender
10-13-2010, 10:33 AM
Hi again, Arnaud. :-)
Ready to jump into this class and start sketching from De Reyna:s ref, I first would like to ask you - which size would you recommend? The same as the original, or bigger (in my case that would be a full A4)? Believe it's easier to copy the exact same size, but since it's more challenging, I suppose I always learn more from doing a bigger format. What do you think?

arnoud3272
10-13-2010, 10:50 AM
I first would like to ask you - which size would you recommend? The same as the original, or bigger (in my case that would be a full A4)? Hi,
The recommended format for most of the classes is A4 (for charcoal bigger is better). With a half-decent printer driver you can print out the scanned reference (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Feb-2010/142886-pot-reference.jpg) in about A4 format and refer for clear details to the original.
:wave:

mindbender
10-13-2010, 02:11 PM
Great, A4 it will be then. :-)

Hope it won't take too long before I have something to post here...

renzolw
10-16-2010, 11:36 AM
Here is my completed drawing of the first assignment.

arnoud3272
10-16-2010, 03:02 PM
Nice job Renzo, very well done :clap::clap:.

renzolw
10-19-2010, 10:51 AM
Hello again,

My first try in another medium: watercolor pencils. What do you think?

arnoud3272
10-19-2010, 03:48 PM
Good job, Renzo :clap:. Very good treatment of the highlights.
Color seems to suit you, nice painterly character :clap:.
You did very well in this class :thumbsup:.

mindbender
11-14-2010, 04:01 AM
Good morning,
here is the first "shape breakdown" stage of the first assignment:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Nov-2010/186698-StillLife.jpg

arnoud3272
11-14-2010, 07:38 AM
Magnus -
Very well done :clap:.
I know your interests for figure and portraiture, where striking the correct proportions is extremely important, otherwise I would not point out this slight horizontal shift:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Nov-2010/142886-magnus-StillLife-corr.jpg
The vertical proportions are all very good :thumbsup:
When finishing, please correct that one pointy end of the top ellipse :). Otherwise, your ellipses are fine.
:wave:

mindbender
11-14-2010, 08:41 AM
Thanks a lot, and thank you for pointing out what could be corrected when continuing and finishing. Really looking forward to working with tone and all those different textures. Hope to be able to have the patience to produce a still life study to feel happy with. :-)

muvs32
11-22-2010, 03:18 PM
I decided to move on to the still life and I went with a small study first. I know it is a bit off but I am starting to get a feel for using darks that I had not before now. Plus the cheap printer paper was starting to give out before I could make too many changes. :wink2:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Nov-2010/228972-st_now_001-1.jpg

arnoud3272
11-22-2010, 05:54 PM
Mark -
Well done :clap:.
I won't comment on the darks given the poor paper quality :wink2:. I'd like to draw the attention to a little inconsistency in the treatment of outlines. Pot and creamer are fully shaded, but saucer and cup are more in the "outline with shading hints" style. Both styles are legitimate drawing styles, but mixing them means "lack of unity".
I'm not sure how accurately you intended to copy the forms. But for your information, you did pretty well for the heights, but went a bit too broad:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Nov-2010/142886-mark-still-life-corr.jpg

Your ellipses are very good :clap:.
:wave:

muvs32
11-24-2010, 04:28 PM
Well, at least I am improving on my ellipses :clap: I feel as though I am improving dramatically while taking part in these exercises in the classroom. Thanks for your ind=sight and direction Arnoud, it is helpful and appreciated.

I see what you mean about the disunity in the picture and will correct that. I am still prone to draw things a bit too broadly and will keep that in mind while I draw from ref. photos.

I was just messing around with my sketchbook while sitting at my couch and did a rendition of the study from memory. It is full of flaws but markedly better then what I would have been capable of before the classes. Thanks a bunch. :)http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Nov-2010/228972-pots_3_001-1.jpg

muvs32
11-24-2010, 04:49 PM
Didn't mean to make two post in a row but here is my first stage of my second ref. photo study.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Nov-2010/228972-skeleton_study_001-1.jpg

arnoud3272
11-24-2010, 06:12 PM
Mark -
Well done. You're off to a good start :thumbsup:.
And I like very much what you could draw from memory :clap:.

Yako
11-29-2010, 07:17 AM
Did this with 2-B pencil. I think the bowl is a little bit distorted and one of the grapes has a stronger value than it should have. Di d a little cheat....had to remove color from the reference picture before drawing. Find it's a bit difficult to dissociate value and color

arnoud3272
11-29-2010, 04:38 PM
Kareen -
Welcome to the classroom :). Nice work :clap:.
As it is your first entry in the classroom, it is not clear what your intentions are? Improving the ability to sketch/draw in preparation for painting, or aiming at finished drawings in their own right? And in the latter case, there is a growing number of people that are fascinated by "photo-realistic" drawing (hiding all traces of pencil marks for a start).
:wave:

Yako
11-29-2010, 05:16 PM
Kareen -
Welcome to the classroom :). Nice work :clap:.
As it is your first entry in the classroom, it is not clear what your intentions are? Improving the ability to sketch/draw in preparation for painting, or aiming at finished drawings in their own right? And in the latter case, there is a growing number of people that are fascinated by "photo-realistic" drawing (hiding all traces of pencil marks for a start).
:wave:
Hi! thxs for commenting.:)

What i would like most to achieve with these tutorials is to draw better in itself:
-good values is my first goal (mines are awful, i have taken pictures of pieces i've painted and removed color and... it's awful!),
and
-then my second goal is to achieve good hatching, perspective and proportions

arnoud3272
11-30-2010, 05:27 AM
Kareen -
good values is my first goal My first reaction when I saw your entry was the D&S mantra push the darks. On second sight, there are dark accents, so it is more "high-key" rather than "washed out". High-key is a valid artistic choice, but if you see it as an exercise, observe how the reference has a lot of darker values:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Nov-2010/142886-kareen-still-life-corr.jpg

BTW I wonder why you skipped class 8, which is exactly about values.

then my second goal is to achieve good hatching, perspective and proportions I think you are already very good at proportions and hatching. If you feel in need of a refresher on perspective, I advice to take class 2; it is a "beginner" class, but comments and personal advice can always be adapted to individual levels.
:wave:

Yako
11-30-2010, 06:57 AM
Kareen -
My first reaction when I saw your entry was the D&S mantra push the darks. On second sight, there are dark accents, so it is more "high-key" rather than "washed out". High-key is a valid artistic choice, but if you see it as an exercise, observe how the reference has a lot of darker values:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Nov-2010/142886-kareen-still-life-corr.jpg

BTW I wonder why you skipped class 8, which is exactly about values.

I think you are already very good at proportions and hatching. If you feel in need of a refresher on perspective, I advice to take class 2; it is a "beginner" class, but comments and personal advice can always be adapted to individual levels.
:wave:

Thxs a lot for the comments! I'll take your advice! :)

What kind of paper is good for sketching? I'm novice on this subject.

arnoud3272
11-30-2010, 07:23 AM
Kareen -
What kind of paper is good for sketching? Any decent paper, e.g. inkjet printer paper, is good for sketching, that is "sketching" in the artists' sense, not as in the general publics mind as a synonym for drawing.
For finished drawings, all depends on style and personal preferences as to the "look and feel". I'll give you some links to previous threads on the subject.
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=575302
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=572687
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=567425
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=517584
:wave:

Yako
11-30-2010, 07:30 AM
Kareen -
Any decent paper, e.g. inkjet printer paper, is good for sketching, that is "sketching" in the artists' sense, not as in the general publics mind as a synonym for drawing.
For finished drawings, all depends on style and personal preferences as to the "look and feel". I'll give you some links to previous threads on the subject.
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=575302
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=572687
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=567425
http://wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=517584
:wave:
Thxs a lot! You're response was very fast and complete! I'm going to read these threads

muvs32
12-01-2010, 09:56 AM
:wave: Hey Arnoud, I'm back from our U.S. holiday of turkey dinner and ready to post my latest efforts. I still don't think this study is particularly great but I tried to be as true to the ref. as possible. (for me:)) I think the best part might be the pot's handle, I almost really goofed on it before my fiance' said there was something wrong with it and I changed it. At any rate, my shading is becoming better I think.

Thanks for your time, Mark.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Dec-2010/228972-pots_r_done_001-1.jpg

arnoud3272
12-01-2010, 06:09 PM
Very nice job, Mark :clap:. You may be proud of it.

muvs32
12-02-2010, 12:49 PM
Thanks for the encouragement Arnoud. I think the study was pretty good for my ability level :) I do notice now a bit of a defect at the bottom of the black jug, it's too squashed and not a great ellipse. I know it is in my ability to fix these types of things by being more patient and more closely studying the reference.

I did this pic in colored pencil yesterday. I have not worked with colored pencils in years. I will post another study with better proportions soon.

P.S. this pic was done with poor quality, children c/p's. I was given a set of Prismacolor w/c pencils as a gift and will see if I can improve my results.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Dec-2010/228972-color_fruit_001-1.jpg

arnoud3272
12-03-2010, 03:02 PM
Mark - A good first try.
IMO the biggest issue proportion-wise is that the reflection of the single plum looks made up

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Dec-2010/142886-mark-color_fruit-corr.jpg

I like your treatment of the highlights :clap:.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

Yako
12-06-2010, 04:50 PM
Kareen -
My first reaction when I saw your entry was the D&S mantra push the darks....

Here i tried to push a little more the darks...:)

arnoud3272
12-07-2010, 05:32 AM
Very nice, Kareen :clap:.

Yako
12-07-2010, 07:17 AM
Very nice, Kareen :clap:.
Thxs! it makes me keep trying drawing better!:)

LittleBear
12-08-2010, 01:18 PM
Hi Class 10!
Kareen, I like your bowl with the grapes. You achieved a metallic look with hatching, very nice!

I think I may do all three exercises for this class, and here's stage 1 of exercise 1:

LittleBear
12-08-2010, 02:02 PM
And 'cause I'm impatient and started it already, here's stage 1 of exercise 2 too. :D

But color? Ooh, that's scary for me. :eek:

arnoud3272
12-08-2010, 05:38 PM
Alex -
You're very dedicated :).
The line drawing of the pot and creamer is very good, correct forms and proportions. I like it also how you drew the complete forms, including the parts that we cannot see :thumbsup:.

On the second drawing you lost a bit the concentration. When we align the bowl itself, we see that the vertical proportions are correct, as well as horizontally starting from the left. But at the right you lost it and things are too narrow:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Dec-2010/142886-alex-bowl-line-corr.jpg

It is still easy to correct :).
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

LittleBear
12-08-2010, 10:35 PM
Thanks Arnoud. I didn't even think to look and see whether the grapes on the right side of the bowl were correct, I was so obsessed with getting the bowl right. :)

Here's my finished piece for exercise 1. I forgot to stop and scan it in for stage 2. :(

arnoud3272
12-09-2010, 07:17 AM
Very nice, Alex :clap:. You may be proud of it. Very good rendering of the light and dark masses.
:wave:

LittleBear
12-10-2010, 11:59 AM
Well here's exercise 2. I decided to give pastels a try. I'm not much good with color, and I'm pretty new to pastels too, so be gentle. :angel:

Edit: I'm having problems uploading the file. Will try again later.

Edit again: Got it to work. I hope the photo is of sufficient quality. I wasn't keen on setting the pastel down on my scanner, so I used a camera.

arnoud3272
12-10-2010, 03:35 PM
Nice job :clap:. Very well done, Alex.
On to the next challenge :thumbsup:.

Yako
12-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Well here's exercise 2. I decided to give pastels a try. I'm not much good with color, and I'm pretty new to pastels too, so be gentle. :angel:

You're doing great :)

LittleBear
12-11-2010, 01:21 PM
Thanks Kareen & Arnoud! :wave:

Here's a couple of WIPs of the last exercise. I went back to graphite here, and am trying for kind of a "painterly" style. Maybe kind of like the hatching on Kareen's plums & grapes... :evil: Not that I'm copying or anything... :angel:

arnoud3272
12-12-2010, 04:47 AM
Alex -
A good start :thumbsup:. You got the forms down very well.
As for working "painterly", you'd better choose a "painterly" medium. Trying it in sharp pencil will probably not look convincing. Better use for instance charcoal.
:wave:

LittleBear
12-12-2010, 04:34 PM
Perhaps "painterly" was the wrong word. "Sketcherly" maybe? But I agree charcoal would have probable brought out more character.

The first two pics are the continuing progress of what I've posted before. I wasn't happy with the dark shadows between the cherries though. So I did a second version (didn't take any progress shots). The second version was done entirely with a HB mechanical pencil, I was curious to see how it would turn out with tighter hatching.

I'm not thrilled with either version, but I think it was a good experiment. Thanks for looking!

arnoud3272
12-13-2010, 03:26 AM
Alex -
Nice work :clap:.
I like the graphical quality of the last one.
:wave:

muvs32
12-16-2010, 07:30 PM
Wow LittleBear, your drawings are fantastic. You have really inspired me to pull up my shirt sleeves and get back to the drawing table.

LittleBear
12-18-2010, 09:23 AM
Thank you! :o :o :heart: :o :o I'm flattered to inspire you to draw more, I hope to see more of your drawings soon then! :wave:

muvs32
12-18-2010, 07:44 PM
So, here are a couple of color studies/sketches I did last eve with colored pencils. These are done in too small of a scale and I should have worked bigger, I will be trying to keep that in mind for the future :)

I guess I was going for an oil pastel look in these drawing...did that come through Arnoud?

And to LittleBear, you have inspired me and I look forward to seeing more of your artwork as well. Be well all and thanks for your time and comments, it is, as always, much appreciated :wave:http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Dec-2010/228972-cherries_001-1.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Dec-2010/228972-colored_fruit_001-1.jpg

LittleBear
12-19-2010, 10:38 AM
Ooh, I really like your cherries! The plate especially has some beautiful linework in it.

arnoud3272
12-19-2010, 03:19 PM
Mark -
Nice work. These are more inspired by, not really drawn after the references. In particular the second one is a very personal expression of the general idea. In that sense, you are rather stretching the assignment of these basic classes, which are primarily focused on technique, remember the motto drawing what you see.
That said, the hatching is very well executed, particularly how you kept a consistent direction on each plane.
:wave:

adigal
12-20-2010, 02:30 PM
I am working on my drawing. :wave: I love color, but drawing is a huge weakness for me. I know the creamer looks wonky, and I can't get the handle of the coffee pot right. So kind suggestions welcome!!
Nancy

arnoud3272
12-20-2010, 03:12 PM
Nancy -
Welcome to the classroom :).
I read in the watercolor forum that you are aiming for realism. A good drawing technique is the best base, although you can trace references for your watercolor work while developing the drawing skills. I seriously advice you to start at the beginning; you know, crawl before trying to run :thumbsup:. Did you read the "Start Here" thread? This class is already on a higher level; issues as "a wonky creamer" are assumed already solved in previous classes. BTW, the pot is more "wonky" than the creamer.
Take your time, don't rush; a common mantra in the Drawing & Sketching forum is practice, practice, practice, patience :).
:wave:

adigal
12-20-2010, 10:19 PM
Hi,
Thanks for your advice and help. I will go back and look at the Start Here thread. I think I was moving along on that for a while, but got distracted. I feel like I will never learn to draw!! :( It does not come naturally to me!!
Nancy

arnoud3272
12-21-2010, 05:24 AM
I feel like I will never learn to draw!! :( It does not come naturally to me!!
Nancy -
You should distinguish between the creative part and the technical part. Everybody can learn the technique, that is, in the same sense that "everybody" can learn to write. Actually, drawing is much easier than writing :thumbsup:.

muvs32
01-01-2011, 01:13 PM
To Nancy, I usually feel like I will not be able to do this or that in regard to drawing when I am frustrated with some technique or such, but it goes away.

I like the handle of your pot, it has a boldness I enjoy in drawings. Just keep working and forget about "not being able to do something".

That said, for the new year I am going to reapply myself and do a still life based on what I see :)

Happy New Year Arnound and classmates :clap::cat::wave:

muvs32
01-08-2011, 02:08 PM
Thanks Arnoud for the comments and encouragement for my last post. I agree that I took some liberties with the assignment but I was having fun with colors that day :cat: Here is another fruit bowl study I did with some Derwent water-soluble pencils. I have fun working with these pencils and in my humble opinion I believe they compliment my natural ability with interesting lines :)

Well, here it is, by the way, it would be an honor if you would take a peek at my water color WIP I posted in the proper section. Thanks again Arnoud and keep up the good work everyone !!! Mark
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=844022http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2011/228972-bowl_of_fruit_001-1.jpg

arnoud3272
01-08-2011, 03:29 PM
Good job, Mark :clap:.
I think a few more darks would really improve it, but on the whole it has a nice painterly feeling :thumbsup:.

muvs32
01-08-2011, 09:47 PM
As usual Arnoud, your advice is spot on. I pushed some darks but unfortunately the paper was starting to give with the reworking in water. I now wish I had spent more time on this pic. I think I will be more patient with the water-soluble works next time.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2011/228972-dark_fruit_001-1.jpg

arnoud3272
01-09-2011, 03:59 AM
Mark - Definitely an improvement :thumbsup:

newkidontheblock
01-09-2011, 05:29 AM
Hi all, Here is my outline ready to do the still life. I spent about an hour getting it to this stage. Hope my proportions are an improvement on previous work.
Thanks, Lynhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jan-2011/500681-10outline.jpg

arnoud3272
01-09-2011, 08:51 AM
Lyn -
The proportions are almost perfect :clap:. If you compare very carefully with the reference, the pot is a tad too narrow.
But I see an issue with the "freehand perspective" of the pot as a cylinder. This is an extremely common error, the reality seems to be counterintuitive.
Still it is easy to prove:
Take a mug or glass, look at the top rim while moving it up and down before your eyes. Observe the direction of the change in curvature.
Now observe how you made the top ellipse of the pot more curved than the bottom.
Indeed, even taken on its own, the bottom ellipse is a bit squashed.
This is easy to correct, you'll off to a good start :thumbsup:

newkidontheblock
01-10-2011, 07:09 AM
Thanks Arnoud. I tried to adjust the ellipse and the width in the pot as you suggestedhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jan-2011/500681-10final_still_life_0002.jpg . I dont like the fabric at all but not sure what else I need to make it look better.
Thanks, Lyn

arnoud3272
01-10-2011, 05:29 PM
Lyn -
Again a very nice drawing :clap::clap:.
The top of the creamer came out a bit crooked :), but otherwise well done.
Fabric, folds, have a class on their own (class 16).
Please move on :thumbsup:.

muvs32
02-06-2011, 11:31 AM
Heya Arnoud, its been awhile since my last post as I have been doing some painting. The drawing skills foundation is a must for painting though so I am still fairly active as it is. I am posting this fruit bowl that was part of the step-by-step instruction in this class. This is a watercolor but it is more heavier on drawing than anything else.

The reds on the fruit are awful as I was trying to lift color and my economy paper started to protest :Dhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Feb-2011/228972-fruit_bowl_001-1.jpg

arnoud3272
02-06-2011, 02:27 PM
Nice work :clap:

iqaluit
06-04-2011, 09:45 PM
Sorry I have not been posted for a while, new job, new home, new location, anyway here is my initial line work for the still life class 10

all comments and critiques are welcome

thankshttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jun-2011/216117-wc_class_10.jpg

arnoud3272
06-05-2011, 07:15 AM
iqaluit - Welcome back :).
Good job so far :clap:. Two remarks: a - the angle of the top is too steep, that is only important as an exercise. But more essential is b - remember class 2 further away looks smaller - the difference is not very pronounced, but in your drawing it looks the other way round.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jun-2011/142886-wc_class_10.jpg

Apart from that, the proportions and locations are very well reproduced. Looking forward to your next installment :thumbsup:.

iqaluit
06-25-2011, 12:33 PM
wip still life post #2
I think I could have gone further with the blending and hope to really get those gradual gradations that seem to elude me as I progress.

Not completely satisfied with the cup but I was playing with so much I just decided to post
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jun-2011/216117-wip_still_life_class_10.jpg

arnoud3272
06-25-2011, 01:26 PM
Very well done, iqaluit :clap:, I like how you've finished it.
One remark, be on guard when working on reflections: the reflection of the cup's rim on the pot lets us look into the cup. That is not possible, you made that up, the reflection is from the underside of the cup!
Good job, please move on to a next class :thumbsup:

iqaluit
06-25-2011, 02:07 PM
Thanks Arnoud. I not really sure what that cup reflection is supposed to represent, I knew that cup would come back to bite me!:)

Magdalena Ladwik
08-22-2011, 03:16 AM
Hello, there is the outline. Could You let me know if that's ok, please?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/22-Aug-2011/952977-sketch.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)
Thank You

arnoud3272
08-22-2011, 07:00 AM
Very well done, Magdalena :thumbsup:.
I like how you mapped the highlights/reflections.

binduchutani
09-06-2011, 11:40 AM
Dear All,

It is my first attempt. Pls be generous with your comments. Regards. Bindu

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Sep-2011/106309-bins_fruits.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Sep-2011/106309-bins_tea_pot_2.jpg

arnoud3272
09-07-2011, 04:12 AM
Bindu - Welcome :).
It is a bit difficult to give meaningful advice when you jump in from the blue. Did you read the "Start Here!" thread? Admittedly you have already a good foundation, but what do you want to improve? Accurate drawing, "realistic" rendering, ... ? As the rendering strokes are loose and separately visible, I assume you are not after a realistic rendering.
On the subject of accurately striking the forms and proportions, check often before starting the shading or coloring.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Sep-2011/142886-bins_tea_pot_2.gif

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Sep-2011/142886-bins_fruits.gif

Pay particular attention to the ellipses: the teapot is OK, only the bottom should be a bit deeper, but both top and bottom of the flower pot look squashed.

As for the rendering, the graphite drawing is well done. But the color one is rather bland, as a old, bleached photo. The principle is to go in many layers. You'll find more and better advice in the Colored Pencils forum.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

Magdalena Ladwik
09-10-2011, 07:05 AM
Hello Arnoud, there is my class 10 assignment. Could you review it please?


http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/10-Sep-2011/952977-class_10.JPG (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)

And I am going to do fruit bowl as well, but I do not know what to use: graphite pencils or try watercolor pencils (in color)? What do You think?
Thank You :)

arnoud3272
09-10-2011, 05:10 PM
Magdalena - Nice work :clap:. Expressive rendering with good contrast and the complete range of shades :thumbsup:.
One remark on the forms, pay particular attention to the ellipses. These are a bit squashed:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Sep-2011/142886-magdalena-class_10.JPG

Draw the complete form in the preliminary line drawing, and take care not to loose the form when rendering the shades. But don't tighten up, graphite is easy enough to inch in on the correct form later on with a kneaded eraser.

Color or graphite? It is your choice :). It can be an interesting experiment to venture out to another medium. If you need some tips, there is the introduction to class 102 - 32 Colored Pencils (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316172) and here is an introduction to watercolor pencils (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=594800).

:thumbsup:

Magdalena Ladwik
10-30-2011, 01:51 PM
Hello Arnoud, I am still working on second part of class 10 assignment. I have not been for awhile here and did not draw regulary for last 1,5 month, but at least I tried to do quick sketches every few days :) Anyway, it's really good feeling to be here again :) And thank You for reviewing part one assignment...yes, elipses...I lost the form, I was too much focused on everything else than on form. In future I will remember this lesson and pay attention when rendering the shades.
That's what I have done so far, I decide to experiment with watercolor pencils and colored pencils. First and second are with watercolor pencils, third is with colored pencils in some places. I'm going to experiment with both media, what do You think about this? Am I on good start?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Oct-2011/952977-2011-10-29_17.22.24.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/30-Oct-2011/952977-2011-10-30_16.29.58.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/30-Oct-2011/952977-2011-10-30_17.09.22.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)

arnoud3272
10-30-2011, 03:35 PM
Magdalena - Looks very good :thumbsup:. Love how you expressed the reflections :clap:.

Gingerbread
11-05-2011, 03:08 PM
Arnoud,
Here's the first stage of the still life. Please take a look.

:)
Jennifer

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Nov-2011/978288-Still_Life_Carafe_cup_pot.jpg

arnoud3272
11-06-2011, 05:50 AM
Jennifer - It is good practice to put a centerline in while constructing symmetrical forms, but then you'd better pay attention to it as well. Perhaps you'll see better what I mean in a rotated picture:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Nov-2011/142886-jennifer-Still_Life_corr-A.jpg

To improve the accuracy of your drawing, to develop your skills, look at vertical and horizontal "plumb lines" - how do features at different sides correspond? The pot is too high, and the cup and saucer are not wide enough.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Nov-2011/142886-jennifer-Still_Life_corr-B.jpg

Also, look at the handle of the pot.
Artistic license is OK if it improves the picture, at least in the eyes of the artist, but in this case I think the proportions of the original reference are more pleasing :wink2:.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

Gingerbread
11-07-2011, 12:39 PM
Arnoud,
Thanks for the feedback. I attempted to use the lines that you showed as a guide but I still struggled a bit with it. I made the changes you suggested e.g., wider cup and saucer, lower pot. But, I think the cup looks kind of off now. As for the handle, I’ve changed it also. Does that mean my artistic license’s been revoked? J

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Nov-2011/978288-Class_10_Still_Life_2.JPG

arnoud3272
11-07-2011, 03:18 PM
Good job, Jennifer :clap:.
But, I think the cup looks kind of off now Well, this still life is clearly an exercise in ellipses :lol:. It looks off because of - particularly - the saucer ellipse is wonky:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Nov-2011/142886-jennifer-Still_Life-corr.JPG

Well done, you may move on :thumbsup:.

Gingerbread
11-08-2011, 01:59 PM
Arnoud,
Thank you for your c&c. :)

Magdalena Ladwik
11-25-2011, 07:46 AM
Hello Arnoud :), here is the final stage of class 10 assignment (part II). Do You think is it final stage? I used colored pencils, watercolor pencils and some of regular graphite pencils. Could You review my work please?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/images/25-Nov-2011/952977-final.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/../Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)

Thank You

arnoud3272
11-25-2011, 04:06 PM
Magdalena - Good job :clap:. Nice choice of colors and the form of the fruit is very well rendered.
Take good care of the ellipses in the future, that seems to be a weak point. I know there is some of that distortion in the reference, but
-- not so strong as in your drawing,
-- remember that photos do introduce distortions and you as an artist should correct them. A work of art should look good in its own right.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Nov-2011/142886-magdalena-corr.jpg

You did very well in this class, please move on :thumbsup:.

Magdalena Ladwik
11-25-2011, 04:25 PM
Oh no, again an issue with elipses :o. I really have to do something about this. Thank You for reviewing my assignment, I will remember your remarks :wink2:
See You in next classess :wave:

latedrawer
12-09-2011, 11:12 AM
Hi Arnoud. Below is stage 1, exercise 1. For the first time, I used a straightedge to sight three angle lines and six "bearing points" from a small print before sketching the still life. This technique is based on a layout method Darrel Tank (5 pencil method) describes in his free tutorials. In this way, I marked angle lines similar to those I see in many of the drawings submitted in the past posts for this class. I wasn't sure what method was used and wasn't successful with an attempt to draw totally freehand. I think starting with a few of those reference lines and points helped me layout this stage one drawing with fair accuracy. I really paid attention to the ellipses.:) But I'm not sure about the pot.

I'm looking forward to your input!
Carole (who is drawing instead of getting ready for the holidays:D)
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arnoud3272
12-09-2011, 04:51 PM
Carole - It's a very good sketch :clap:. So what follows is only for your education, some subjects - portraiture for instance - demand a better accuracy. If I compare with the reference, scaled to have the same height, you see that you tend to draw too narrow. Most obvious on the pot. It's useful to know so that you can be on your guard for it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Dec-2011/142886-carole-line-corr.jpg

And yes, the ellipses are very good :thumbsup:

latedrawer
12-09-2011, 07:42 PM
Thank you for the very helpful and specific guidance.:heart: Carole

latedrawer
12-13-2011, 05:48 PM
Greetings Arnoud....
This is my stage 2 of Exercise tne, copying the DeReyna still life demo. It shows a background and my attempt at tonal mapping. I'm not sure what to do about the cup and saucer. They look like they are floating instead of resting solidly on the table. I think as I work on shadows and increasing the darkness of tones, this problem will resolve itself:crossfingers: But I would appreciate any guidance! Carole
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And this is the first stage of Exercise Two, drawing a still life from a photo of the bowl of fruit. I was very conscious of width proportions, especially of the bunch of grapes hanging over the edge of the bowl. But I'd like your option before I develop the drawing further.
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arnoud3272
12-14-2011, 01:10 PM
Well done, Carole :clap:.
Good variety in the shading, the different textures are well distinguished. As you note yourself, the darkest shadows could be darker. Note in particular that the underside of - even slightly - curved bottoms is in complete shadow. Failing to render the dark rim gives an impression of floating.

The line drawing for the second exercise is very well done too :thumbsup:

latedrawer
12-15-2011, 03:24 PM
Greetings, Arnoud:) Below is Exercise 1, stage 3:crossfingers: Although I darken and shaded quite a bit more, the saucer seems a bit off and I'm not sure how to change that:confused: That is, unless I start over:(

I'm also having some issues with scoring the paper--Strathmore Bristol vellum front side--probably by pressing too hard with the 2H pencil I used first. And, as I use my 8B and press harder, the graphite seems to be layering in grains. So it seems like I'm "overworking" this stage.

Anyway, I look forward to your comments and suggestions. Carole
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arnoud3272
12-15-2011, 05:33 PM
Carole -
So it seems like I'm "overworking" this stage Oh well - it takes two people to paint a painting, one person to paint it and one to stop him before he ruins it. The shading in the previous version, the areas that I thought were finished, looked much better :(.
The cup is a bit too high in proportion, and yes, it is not the moment to correct it.
I'd say it was a very useful practice, you'll have learned a lot :thumbsup:.

latedrawer
12-15-2011, 06:03 PM
I agree, I should have stopped sooner:o BUT I did learn a lot....like checking in a bit sooner so "the one to stop" had a chance:lol: And I'm learning to experiment with pencil strokes on a separate piece of the same kind of paper.

Again, Arnoud, thank you so much for your helpful remarks and guidance:music: I've moved on to Exercise 2. I'm experimenting with different ways to show dimension and shading using some of the cross hatching techniques Civardi illustrates in his book. Carole

latedrawer
12-16-2011, 12:25 AM
Greetings Arnoud. Here's my WIP for Exercise 2. I experimented with several techniques: 1) blending with a tortillion on the background, 2) shading with a used tortillion, mostly on the tablecloth, and 3) very slow layering starting with 4H to 4B for most of the darks and to 6B and 8B for the darkest areas (for example, the cast shadows).

Layering hard to soft seemed to reduce the graphite flecks. Obviously, that is still a problem. So I'm inclined to think of the left hand side of the drawing as fairly complete (except the foremost plum). If I push the darks here, I'm afraid I'll overwork again. So I'm very interested in your guidance and comments.

I think the right rim of the bowl that's shadowed is a little off and I'll try to correct that if I can without messing up the tones.

It's amazing how difficult it is to get a very smooth texture for the grapes.
Thank you for your help, Carole
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arnoud3272
12-16-2011, 03:20 PM
You're off to a good start, Carole :clap:.
The problems with white flecks: that is the effect of the paper texture. If it bothers you, you could experiment with different papers, smoother but still with enough tooth. Many "photo-realist" artists prefer "Mellotex". That is meant for printing - not inkjet of laser, but the real thing - so you cannot normally buy it in consumer quantities. Mike Sibley (http://www.sibleyfineart.com/shop.htm) sells it per 5 sheets as a service.
On the other hand, it is a question of taste. Many 18th and 19th artists adored the results of paper texture.
:thumbsup:

latedrawer
12-16-2011, 03:39 PM
Thank you for the information about paper Arnoud. I've seen this type of paper in a local art store, but didn't know much about it. Your input is very helpful in making a decision. You've given encouragement to try different kinds of (expensive:() paper just to see what I can do. Carole

latedrawer
12-16-2011, 08:19 PM
Greetings!
Here is my stage 3:crossfingers: drawing of Exercise 2. It's darker than the scan, but not by much. I really focused on comparing the values, but I'm not confident about the shadows. Thanks, Carole
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arnoud3272
12-17-2011, 01:22 PM
Carole - You're doing fine :thumbsup:.
Although it is not necessary to copy the values of the reference accurately, note the higher contrasts: your lights have a tendency to disappear.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Dec-2011/142886-carole-class10-corr.jpg

And don't be afraid to really darken the shadows near the objects.
Keep it going :thumbsup:

latedrawer
12-18-2011, 12:40 AM
Okay, Arnoud, I really "pushed" the darks. I found a General's Draughting #G314 pencil that supposed to be very similar to the type DeReyna used. With it, I was able to layer on dark graphite without much flecking:) The main issue was keeping a sense of the individual grapes and their relative positions and sizes. I think I messed that up a little, but over all, I think the result is better:crossfingers: Carole
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arnoud3272
12-18-2011, 09:41 AM
Very good expression Carole :clap:

latedrawer
12-18-2011, 06:54 PM
Greetings! I think it's okay to go on to Exercise 3, so here's my stage 1. I inherited an antique pot and a teacup collection from my mother. I used the pot and two cups and saucers from that collection for this still life. I'd like to use this arrangement for exercise 3 because, one, my goal is to develop the skills I need to draw in real life situations. Second, the set-up reminds me of serving Mom tea when I was primary hospice for her for five months. We had many pleasant conversations over tea. That's why the still life includes her photo. My hope is to suggest her image in the background as a very faint sketch with the appearance of the pot and cups arranged on a tray being brought into the room. I can leave out Mom's image for the class drawing if that variation isn't appropriate for this class project. Whatever you say is fine:)
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This is my stage 1 of the still life. I didn't use the photo for this sketch. I left in my construction lines because I wanted you to see my attempt to capture form in perspective and how I worked through proportion. I think I have some definite challenges in drawing from life, especially in relating one object to another. I also thought about your point that I tend to draw my initial layout with narrow proportions and that I should keep that in mind. So I'm looking forward to your opinion.
By the way, I hope you're planning to take some time off for the holidays:music:
Carole
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arnoud3272
12-19-2011, 05:33 AM
Carole - You're off to a good start :thumbsup:.
I have two remarks:
-- the proportion of the cups are off, particularly the left one.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Dec-2011/142886-carole-cup-corr.jpg

-- on the subject of composition - but it could be that you didn't scan the complete sheet - the drawing is rather cramped. It is nicer to give the subjects some breath, definitely the picture of your mum which is now touching the margin.
Keep up the good work.

latedrawer
12-19-2011, 03:26 PM
Greetings! It's interesting that I "see" how to correct inaccuracies with your picture comparisons. The image I posted was my second attempt, which I couldn't seem to adjust in a way that would capture what I was seeing. And I really agree with your comments on composition, even though I couldn't scan the entire drawing. So I tried to make corrections to the drawing I posted, but the results were inadequate. So I made adjustments my first attempt, a smaller version. This drawing required major changes to the pot and the rims of the cups. With it, I had my on-going issue with drawing too narrow:o.

So the drawing below is a different version. This composition seems better and the proportions seem more accurate. :crossfingers::)

Even though it's a smaller size, I still couldn't scan the entire width. The left border is actually 3 inches (about 8 centimeters) beyond Mom's image and the right border is also beyond the scan by another inch (2 cm).
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I'm visiting my daughter next month and will ask her to help me learn how to paste" together scans. The directions you sent and other posts on manipulating images should help a lot. But it might be simpler to send photos of larger drawings, so I will also experiment with that strategy. I'm hopeful about the photo strategy because the compressed JPG photo appears very sharp in my previous post. Carole

arnoud3272
12-19-2011, 05:30 PM
Looks very good so, Carole :clap:.
And my gosh, you're ambitious :).
:wave:

latedrawer
12-20-2011, 04:55 PM
Greetings, Arnoud:wave: I'm not really ambitious, just determined:)
Below is my stage 2 for Exercise 3.

I'm not happy with the rim ellipses but I might have to live with them. I've erased on this drawing so much, I have a lot of ghost lines in the background. I've tried different erasers (kneaded, Faber-Castell pencil-type eraser, latex, Magic Rub, Pink Pearl, and an electric), but none take out the lines completely.

When I'm looking at the still life set up, I "see" different ellipses even though I try to keep my chin in about the same position. My vertical easel is about 3 feet from this still life. Should I be further away to get more accurate sighting information? Carole
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arnoud3272
12-21-2011, 05:31 AM
Very nice, carole :clap:.
Don't bother about the ellipses, they are very well formed :thumbsup:. A drawing or painting should look good in and of itself. A work of art should be judged as a work of art, not as a copy of the real thing. That works also the other way round, for instance don't include an ugly thrashcan in a house portret, "because it is there".
About "distance": it helps to back up regularly to compare reference and your work. In many professional studios there is a large mirror at the wall behind the artist so that looking back has the same effect.

latedrawer
12-21-2011, 04:09 PM
Greetings, Arnoud! Below is my stage 3 of Exercise 3. I really don't have the skill to capture the shiny surfaces and tonal variation of white china.:o But I enjoyed working on the drawing and learned a lot from your guidance:clap:
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Because of my experience with you as a tutor, I've enrolled in a level one foundation course at the local community college. It is being taught by a highly respected instructor who is also a local watercolor artist. The college offers instruction in four levels of drawing, figure drawing, and other media. So, if this course gives me the experience with sketching from life that I want, I'll enroll in others. Wish me luck:)

I really appreciate participating in this community, especially the support and encouragement you've given me. I want to continue with the wonderful classes offered here, but I thought I should go to a class that would be compatible with the course, which starts mid-January.

So, would it make sense at this point to go to Class 21, Sketching? Any guidance here would be appreciated! :heart:
Thanks, Carole

arnoud3272
12-22-2011, 10:36 AM
Carole - Excellent job :clap::clap:.
I'm glad for you that you enrolled in a course with a "life teacher". It makes a big difference :thumbsup:.
Sketching is a good preparation. But note that it takes a different "state of mind" than extended drawing.
:wave:

latedrawer
12-22-2011, 11:13 AM
Thank you for the guidance:) I'll start Class 21 Sketching. Happy Holidays:wave:Carole

Felisa
03-05-2012, 12:44 PM
Hi Arnoud. I am sending the first stage of exercise one. If the forms are correct I will go on with the shading.

I am also sending exercise no. 2 completed. I used Caran d´Ache pencils and I think the paper did not accept anymore pigment (or I did not know how to paint with pencils or both).

Thank you for your help.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2012/122109-stilllif.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2012/122109-silllife1.jpg

Felisa
03-06-2012, 12:29 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2012/122109-still_life.jpg .

arnoud3272
03-06-2012, 02:49 PM
Very nice job, Elisa. Excellently finished work :clap::clap:.

mayana
03-27-2012, 09:19 AM
Hello Arnoud,
Here is my still life pot, thanks for looking!:)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Mar-2012/164039-stilllife.jpeg

arnoud3272
03-27-2012, 03:30 PM
mayana - Very nice job :clap::clap:. You're progressing very fast.
Just a piece of advice: when you aim at very realistic work, as you clearly do, take this thought from the painters: it is not necessary to clearly define all edges; it is ok to have some "lost" parts in the contour. I see some examples on the cup (back of the rim for instance) where object and background would better be blended together. That is, optically, I don't mean stumped.
Very well done, please move on :thumbsup:.

mayana
03-28-2012, 03:06 AM
I know what you mean Arnoud, so many things to learn...
I always read all the threat before I begin a new project and I enjoy your guidance and comment.
You told us to be precise from the beginning and that really help me to get a better drawing,,,yooohoooooo,
ty, ty, ty....:clap: :clap: :clap:

mayana
03-31-2012, 07:25 AM
Hello Arnoud,
Its me again (Maya)..well I saw many people post this fruit bowl so I don't want to miss it too. My first time using fixative, I mix graphite and charcoal...its a kinda nice feeling but messy...I don't know yet how to control the application of the charcoal... ( next class for sure)...so what do you think?
ty!!!!have a nice WE!!:wave:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Mar-2012/164039-fruitbowl.jpg

arnoud3272
03-31-2012, 03:03 PM
Very nice work, Maya :clap::clap:.
Just one little advice: pay attention to avoid the "halo" effect on a dark background. Take your background right into the object, then restate the edges of the object. Clearly this is better done before finishing the rendering of the object :).
Charcoal drawings have a very different texture than graphite, you like it or not. When you like it, it is very inviting to seek "painterly" effects.
:thumbsup:.

mayana
03-31-2012, 07:07 PM
Hello Arnoud,
Yes the BG is a halo think,,,thank you for your sensitive eyes...love your comment!!!:wink2::wave::wave::wave:

docxart
07-10-2012, 10:56 PM
Hello
Here are my drawings for the first demonstration. What do you think?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jul-2012/1074922-Class_10-1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jul-2012/1074922-Class_10-2.jpg

Qadir

Panth
07-11-2012, 09:46 AM
Hi Arnoud, haven't been doing my homework for sometime now, busy with one thing or the other, and thought I should now catch up. The tree was a bit tough, so I will take it up some other time. Here is my drawing and shading of the still life, the photo came out at an angle, so it looks as if the right hand jug is leaning to the left! :o Bye, Prabha

arnoud3272
07-11-2012, 03:42 PM
Qadir - Good job :thumbsup:.
Two remarks:
1. on the proportions; they are generally very good, and then there is that creamer :(.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jul-2012/142886-qadir-pot.jpg

2. Is this the final post, or do you intend to shade it in further detail (3rd part of the assignment)? I'm not very happy with the continuous unvarying outlining. It reminds me of a children coloring book. If you have no interest in a realistic shading, what I can fully understand, I'd advise to use various markings for suggesting the shadows and texture. And get rid of the even continuous outlines, vary their "quality" (in the sense of character), integrate them in the shadow, suggest them by the contrast of edge and background, and even just interrupt them, the viewer will complete it in its mind.
Here is an example where you can see these devices:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jul-2012/142886-no-outline.jpg

:wave:

arnoud3272
07-11-2012, 04:00 PM
Prabha - Well done :clap:.
One remark: observe the much richer variety of shading in the reference:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jul-2012/142886-prabha-pot.jpg

Particularly the pot, being made of metal, shows strong reflections and some illogical darks. That is characteristic for shining surfaces.

As you can see, I have dressed your photo :lol:. The best way to take sharp photos is with a tripod and the self timer (to avoid vibration). In that case you can adjust the camera to point exactly to the middle and square by a little mirror on your drawing. The camera is correctly positioned when you see the camera in the viewfinder via the mirror:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jul-2012/142886-centering.JPG

Good job :thumbsup:.

docxart
07-11-2012, 05:03 PM
OK, I get the idea. I'll fix it and re-post.

docxart
07-11-2012, 07:24 PM
Hi Arnoud,
I think I understood your comments about my outlining and I think I have fixed the problems. Thanks for taking the time to help me. Here is my corrected post

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jul-2012/1074922-Class_10-3_001.jpg

Qadir

Panth
07-12-2012, 01:03 AM
Thank you Arnoud, for straigthening out my drawing. You see, I had not seen the original still life picture, but continued from the line drawing demostrated in this lesson on page 1. Now I can improve my drawing by looking at the original. Will try for the cameras, but seems a bit over my head at the present!! See you in the next class, All the best, Prabha:)

arnoud3272
07-12-2012, 03:11 AM
Qadir - Yes, much better :thumbsup:. Well done :clap:.
Please move on :music:.

docxart
07-15-2012, 07:28 AM
Hello,
Here is my attempt at Demonstrations 2. I used Prismacolor pencils and blended the colors with a little linseed oil on a Q-tip.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Jul-2012/1074922-Class_10-D2_001.jpg

Qadir

docxart
07-15-2012, 10:05 AM
Hello,
Here is my attempt at Demonstrations 2. I used Prismacolor pencils and blended the colors with a little linseed oil on a Q-tip.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Jul-2012/1074922-Class_10-D2_001.jpg

Qadir
I think I need to eliminate the white space between the background and fruit. I'll fix it and re-post

Qadir

arnoud3272
07-15-2012, 11:24 AM
I think I need to eliminate the white space between the background and fruit. I'll fix it and re-post
Qadir Very good observation :thumbsup:.

docxart
07-15-2012, 11:28 AM
OK Armoud,
Here my improved (I think) version of demonstration 2.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Jul-2012/1074922-Class_10-D2B_001.jpg

What do yo think?
Qadir

arnoud3272
07-15-2012, 05:20 PM
Qadir - Well done :clap:.
A few observations:
The light is clearly coming from the left, see the shadows of the lone apple and the bowl itself. But that means that some of the grapes will be in the shadow, they will not have all the same tone.
A remark on composition, on the aspect "balance". The contrast between the dark background and bowl and the empty white space is too strong. Even in the over-exposed parts in the reference, you can see some structure.
I'm not "in" colored pencil, but I think that, as in graphite, you'd better develop a solid skill in layering a smooth tone before using blending as a shortcut. Even with the blending, your separate strokes are very obvious. Which brings me to the final remark (and that counts for graphite and charcoal as well): use a consistent and logical stroke direction, not changing to the easiest direction. For instance, in spite of your correction, the "halo" around the fruit is still there - not white - in the color of the BG - but still too obvious, because your strokes followed the outline.
But nonetheless, you did a good job, it was a successful class :thumbsup:.
BTW, there is a class on colored pencil, class 32 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316172).

docxart
07-15-2012, 09:33 PM
Thank you very much Arnoud for you help. I have learned a lot about drawing in this class.

meganj
08-11-2012, 01:54 PM
I'm working on the book report for class 9, didn't want to stop drawing in the mean time. I redid some shading examples for more practice, and here is my line drawing (traced) the original looks better! As I did this, I found lots of discrepancies in the original. Seems to me, the ellipses in his subjects are not following the same perspective as the shelf that they sit upon. His subjects are straight on. That's when my brain began to hurt. anyway, here it is... Other thing is, the shadow from the handle isn't in the right place! I'm not sure where it should be, but that isn't it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Aug-2012/67498-110_still_life_line.jpg

arnoud3272
08-11-2012, 05:49 PM
Megan - You're working hard :thumbsup:.
Some proportions and relative positions in the line drawing are deviating a lot from the reference. Of course, that is no problem with still life, but this is a classroom environment, for learning, and some other subjects are very sensitive to correct proportions - portraiture for a start :lol:.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Aug-2012/142886-megan-still-life.jpg

Seems to me, the ellipses in his subjects are not following the same perspective as the shelf that they sit upon. His subjects are straight on. This misunderstanding is why you should study from real life. Put a glass or mug on the corner of a table, look at it from an definite 2PP position (but the glass in the middle of your field of view). Surprise! the ellipse is seen straight on :lol:.

meganj
08-11-2012, 09:22 PM
Yanno, you almost have me convinced about the real life thing. It never occurred to me to check a glass in real life to prove that hypothesis! So, does that only apply when the circles are at an angle then? I'll have to figure out how to better ask that question.

I've been using the de Reyna book with class, and I was drawing out of the book, what I figured was the same set up and picture, just without the wall finishing touches. Its from a different angle!!! Sigh. I looked at where the tea cup lined up with the water pitcher, and said, nope, it's not that way in MY picture. So here it is. My coffee pot is still too narrow, but the tea cup and creamer line up much better. This one is on page 48. It never occurred to me it would be from a different angle.

This also tells me why my tea pot is crooked. So is his!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Aug-2012/67498-original_image_still_life.jpg

arnoud3272
08-12-2012, 02:49 AM
This one is on page 48. It never occurred to me it would be from a different angle. Well, I didn't either :(.
:thumbsup:

meganj
08-12-2012, 01:33 PM
Here's a re-do from the correct image. I think my coffee pot may be too wide, in fact, everything may be too wide. I don't know how to use photoshop to match up the two pictures... I figured out how to do it in word. My tall objects are too short. I started with the cream pitcher and since that was off, so was everything else. I'll fix it and resubmit!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Aug-2012/67498-110_still_life_redo.jpg

meganj
08-12-2012, 04:02 PM
Here's my final answer...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Aug-2012/67498-still_life_redo2.jpg

arnoud3272
08-12-2012, 04:56 PM
Excellent, Megan :clap::clap:.
Very good "striking" the outline.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

meganj
08-13-2012, 01:15 PM
Here's my finished coffee break:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Aug-2012/67498-110_still_life_1_final.jpg

Here's the start on the next one. I don't know whether to darken the darks all the way now, or after I start adding color. I want to use watercolor pencils.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Aug-2012/67498-110_still_life_2_sketch.jpg

arnoud3272
08-14-2012, 11:07 AM
Excellent work, Megan :clap::clap:.

The underdrawing for the second exercise is also very good :thumbsup:.
I don't know whether to darken the darks all the way now, or after I start adding color. I want to use watercolor pencils. As you will use it as a "grisaille", it is best to leave the darks a grade lighter. If this is graphite, the general advice is to fix it before rubbing the colored pencils over it :).
:wave:

meganj
08-15-2012, 12:07 AM
I'm such a slacker, nothing to post today. I sprayed my drawing with fixative, and THEN read how long I was supposed to leave it alone. Sigh. So, I started on a third still life and its been a nightmare. It's a tall pewter candlestick that is curved, 6-sided, and covered with decoration and I'm ready to shoot myself. I've tried cones, ellipses, rulers, and I'm still not happy with the basic shape. I switched to tracing paper so that I could clean up my mess a little easier. Beside that, the little soup bowl I also want to put into the picture is going to be soooo easy! I got the bright idea I wanted to do a still life with "family heirlooms". Hope you don't mind, just thought I'd share some frustration. Drawing from life is much more difficult for me!

I was reading about "sight size" and wondering if that would help. Tomorrow I'm back to grapes and plums for now.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Aug-2012/67498-110_still_life_family_heirlooms.jpg

arnoud3272
08-15-2012, 01:19 PM
I was reading about "sight size" and wondering if that would help "Sight size" is a good technique for getting the positions and proportions correct. I doubt whether it would help you in these details. Personally, I would construct the hex section. Inscribing a hexagon in a circle is straightforward, in perspective a circle becomes an ellipse:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Aug-2012/142886-megan-hex.jpg

:thumbsup:

meganj
08-15-2012, 01:36 PM
First experiment with water color pencils with water! I think I like it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Aug-2012/67498-110_still_life_fruit_finished_upload.jpg

arnoud3272
08-15-2012, 05:44 PM
Megan - Very nice :clap::clap:.
I have only one remark, and that has nothing to do with drawing. I find the background too dominant, it really screams for attention. In particular the purple masses. IMO a BG should be a bit subdued. A good principle is also to echo some of the foreground colors in the BG and the other way around.
All in all a very good job :thumbsup:

meganj
08-16-2012, 01:44 AM
That's a very good point. I tend to use too much color in general. The background was (what I thought of as) quite subdued until I added the water. I could try neutralizing the purple with some yellow, and add some purple to the shadows on the bowl. I have no idea what will happen when I wet the paper a second time, I think it will be worth the experiment. Thank you!

meganj
08-16-2012, 12:37 PM
Here it is with some color adjustment. The color won't lift, so I added color back and forth from foreground to background. Color IS one of the things (one of the many...) I plan to work on, after I'm happier with my drawing skills.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Aug-2012/67498-still_life_fruit_color_corrected.jpg

arnoud3272
08-16-2012, 01:45 PM
Looks a lot better, Megan :clap:.

Mahbubani
09-10-2012, 12:08 PM
Hello Arnoud,
Here is my WIP...

arnoud3272
09-11-2012, 03:58 PM
A good start, Mona :clap:.
Now for your education - not important in still life but it is in some other fields, portraiture for instance - observe how the width to height proportion of the pot is not as in the reference.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Sep-2012/142886-mona-Still_Life.jpg

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

Mahbubani
09-12-2012, 10:57 AM
Hello Arnoud,
Hope the day is treating you right.:)
Here is my finished piece.

arnoud3272
09-12-2012, 03:37 PM
Excellent, Mona :clap:. Very well done :music:.

Mahbubani
09-12-2012, 04:38 PM
:D Thanks Arnoud. I'm working on the next one . I'll post it soon.
Thanks.

Mahbubani
09-13-2012, 10:42 AM
Hello Arnoud,
Here is my first attempt.

arnoud3272
09-13-2012, 05:16 PM
Very nice, Mona, well done :clap:.

Mahbubani
09-13-2012, 05:28 PM
Thanks. Can I move to the next class...:)

arnoud3272
09-14-2012, 03:19 AM
Thanks. Can I move to the next class...:)
Yes, no doubt, move on :thumbsup:.

pratya.amrit
09-26-2012, 02:19 PM
hey here is the stage one of my drawing.. the kettle is a little tilted.. i will fix tht.. plz let me knw any other fixables.. :)

is there any thread abt developing likeness in portraits..?? :confused:

arnoud3272
09-26-2012, 03:50 PM
Pratya - Well done, it is fairly exact for a still life :clap:.
But as you asked about likeness in portraits, that needs a more accurate copy of forms, contours to begin with. So you could follow the example of many old masters, rehearsing measuring techniques on still lifes :lol:.
One form is with "plumb lines", easily emulated with image/photo manipulation software:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2012/142886-pratya-still-life.jpg

You see for instance that the cup and and its ear are a tad too small, the saucer is misaligned, the creamer is too broad an a tad too short, and so on.

Threads on portraiture? Look into the Portraiture Class (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=226) :). Tutorials on measuring, common facial proportions, details of eye, mouth, nose, etc. :thumbsup:

:wave:

pratya.amrit
09-26-2012, 10:38 PM
hmm nd i was worried abt the kettle.. :lol:
thnx arnoud..

pratya.amrit
10-05-2012, 08:26 AM
hey Arnoud
Forgive for not posting for so long..
here is where i have reached with the assignment..
plz review it..
thnx.. :)

arnoud3272
10-05-2012, 05:52 PM
Pratya - Very good so far :clap:.
I'd suggest to look out for too much contrast. Highly polished surfaces (the pot) exhibit strong and "unexpected" contrasts. Less shiny textures are better suggested with a more restrained contrast.
:wave:.

pratya.amrit
10-06-2012, 04:38 AM
like this. :confused:
i rolled blu tack over it..

arnoud3272
10-06-2012, 05:43 AM
:thumbsup:

pratya.amrit
10-06-2012, 02:53 PM
Hey Arnoud
Reaching to the finale.. Any suggestion on fabric texture??

arnoud3272
10-06-2012, 03:23 PM
Pratya - The texture of a surface is very often suggested without any really different treatment, by the kind of shadows. Drawing folds is a study of its own, there is a separate class (16) for it. But in principle one could say that it is like drawing mountains, lit and shadowed slopes.
:wave:

pratya.amrit
10-10-2012, 07:10 AM
Hey Arnoud..
thnx for the suggestion..
here is what i got as the final result.. i used 0.5 mm mechanical pencil with hb lead with the folds..

arnoud3272
10-10-2012, 08:38 AM
Nice, very nice, well done :clap::clap:.

pratya.amrit
10-11-2012, 05:49 AM
Nice, very nice, well done :clap::clap:.
Thnx Arnoud.. :)
Here is the line drawing for the nxt one.. :D

arnoud3272
10-12-2012, 04:25 AM
Pratya - Good sketch to base your drawing on :thumbsup:.
Only for completeness sake, not needed to correct for a still life, look again at the back edge of the cloth and the grapes: they are lower in the reference.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

pratya.amrit
10-12-2012, 09:19 PM
Hey Arnoud..
Thnx for pointing that out for me.. :)

Here is another update.. I thought of doing it with C.P. coz it trouble me a lot using them..

Off topic.. WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO WC YESTERDAY?? IT WASNT OPENING..

arnoud3272
10-13-2012, 09:27 AM
Pratya - You're off to a good start :clap:.
WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO WC YESTERDAY?
Just an ill-fated try to fix a server problem :o.

pratya.amrit
10-15-2012, 01:03 PM
Thnx Arnoud for the info..
It really got me scared.. ;)

Okay here is another update and i dnt knw how i am doing but i am pretty much happy with it.. :)

Plz have a look.. :)

arnoud3272
10-15-2012, 05:01 PM
It is coming along very well, Pratya :clap:.
CP seems to be a very suitable medium for you :thumbsup:.

pratya.amrit
10-15-2012, 08:45 PM
Thnx Arnoud.. :)
Even i am surprised with myself.. C.P. hadnt came along this well for me earlier.. I rarely used them.. May be once or twice.. I can sau that this is because of the Class 101: Light and Shade.. Where i learned to put layers on layers.. Yes that was witg GRAPHITE and truly i dnt have any knowledge of color mixing but i am just following my heart.. :)

pratya.amrit
10-16-2012, 06:13 AM
Hey Arnoud..
Here goes another update..
Plz let me know about any area of improvement..

arnoud3272
10-16-2012, 03:59 PM
Very nice, Pratya :clap:.
I'd cross-post it in the Colored Pencil forum, it's really worth it :thumbsup:.

pratya.amrit
10-17-2012, 12:53 AM
Thnx Arnoud.. i am glad you liked it.. :)

pratya.amrit
10-17-2012, 05:48 AM
Hey Arnoud..
Here is the finished assignment..
Plz have a look..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2012/1110052-Photo0339T.jpg


I knw its too late to ask but which fruit is the red one in this image.. :D

arnoud3272
10-17-2012, 12:51 PM
Extremely well done, Pratya :clap::clap:.
Really, you should show it in the Colored Pencils forum as well :thumbsup:.
Please move on to a next class :music:.

pratya.amrit
10-17-2012, 01:13 PM
Thnx Arnoud..
i will.. :)

by the way you didnt told me which fruit is the red one? do u have any idea..

*Deirdre*
10-17-2012, 01:18 PM
Extremely well done, Pratya :clap::clap:.
Really, you should show it in the Colored Pencils forum as well :thumbsup:.
Please move on to a next class :music:.
Ahem!! What about Still Life Forum?:evil: :D

lajale
10-25-2012, 12:14 PM
Hi,

Pratyas bowl is very good, I like it very much.:clap::clap:

Here is my outline of the first still life (the scan is not good, I hope its ok for the outline):

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Oct-2012/1049812-outline.jpg

arnoud3272
10-25-2012, 05:35 PM
Very correct outline, Chris, well done :clap:.

lajale
10-27-2012, 03:59 AM
Good day arnoud,
here is my finished piece:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2012/1049812-Still_Life.jpg

I´m not really happy with the background but I don´t want to overwork it.http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/images/icons/icon5.gif

And now something with color ...

arnoud3272
10-27-2012, 05:38 PM
Well done, Chris, very nice :clap:.
:thumbsup::wave:.

maisygrrl
10-30-2012, 12:58 AM
Apologies for the faintness and the badly stitched scan. Once I get this transferred and start working on a fresh sheet of paper I'm going to go back to taking photos instead since it's a bit too big for my scanner.

Here is my outline. I'm still not sure I got the saucer and teacup quite right - I wrestled with it for quite a while. As always I started seeing mistakes as soon as I uploaded -- the back of the table has sort of veered down much further than it should starting at the right of the coffeepot, and I'll fix that when I work on it tomorrow. (I can see a faint erased line above it, should've gone with that one :o ) Likewise the far right ends of the bottom edges of the table all need a bit of correction. I was drawing flat on the desk instead of with my drawing board, which tends to cause that when I draw longer lines. I think/hope the objects are basically correct, though.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Oct-2012/968565-2010-10-30-still-life-outline-resized.jpg

arnoud3272
10-30-2012, 04:38 AM
Good job, Daisy :clap:.
Nice ellipses :thumbsup:.
Keep up the good work :).

lajale
11-01-2012, 03:00 PM
I paint three fruitbowls, each in a different media. I like the first (Color pencil) and the third one (pastel), the second is watercolor pencil and maybe I will practise with this a little more.:D I copied them all from one sketch:wink2:!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2012/1049812-Buntstifte.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2012/1049812-Aquarellstifte.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2012/1049812-Pastel.JPG

C&C are welcome!

arnoud3272
11-02-2012, 04:01 AM
Nice work, Chris :clap:.
I like the pastel version very much :).
Well done :music:.

lajale
11-04-2012, 11:05 AM
I tried just another version on watercolor. What do you think?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Nov-2012/1049812-Kirschen.jpg

Its ink and watercolor on Pastel-Paper.

Thanks for looking!

arnoud3272
11-04-2012, 05:29 PM
Very nice :clap:.
Ink and watercolor is a very popular combination. If you want to further explore its possibilities, there was a series of tutorials (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=575625) in the Watercolor forum a few years ago :thumbsup:.
P.S. It's OK here in the classroom, but watercolor is not accepted in the main D&S Forum.
:wave:

maisygrrl
11-14-2012, 02:25 PM
My finished drawing (though I'm less happy with the table surface now that I've looked at it some more and might rework it a bit).

I accidentally grabbed a sheet of vellum bristol instead of smooth, and I did a bunch of blending on the areas that were meant to be smooth surfaces to try to counteract that a bit. In the background I was trying to pick up the texture of the paper for the wall, not sure how well I succeeded at that, though. I had a lot of difficulty rendering the fabric folds -- I think it looks a bit starched :)

I think this was the first time I've tried layering carbon pencil over the graphite, and I think it really helped deepen the darks a lot, though it was easy to make accidental marks that wouldn't blend well.



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Nov-2012/968565-2012-11-14-still-life-resized.jpg

arnoud3272
11-15-2012, 12:51 PM
Very good job, Daisy :clap::clap:.
Excellent texture of the polished metal. I don't share your self-crit about the table, I think it is well done. Although I agree that the folds are rather stiff, look "overworked". Texture is largely a matter of "feel", so you get "polished metal" by extensive blending - kind of polishing. For instance, observe how heavy blending on portraits give the person an oily, metallic sheen :(. For rough texture, you "attack" the paper - well within reason :lol:. Soft texture needs a soft touch, also a flowing, relaxed pencil movement. If you work stiffly, the result will look stiff.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

maisygrrl
11-15-2012, 07:37 PM
Arnoud, thank you for the feedback! I was definitely tensing up while working on the folds, and the more I messed with it the weirder it looked. I'll probably do the class on that fairly soon -- I could definitely use some practice with it.

Thought I'd do the bowl of cherries. I'm very nervous about color, which probably means I need to give it a try and stop being scared of it. I haven't decided yet exactly what to do with it, but I have a few watercolor pencils and a box of cheap colored pencils that my daughter left when she moved out, so I figure I'll play around and see what happens.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Nov-2012/968565-2012-11-15-cherries-outline.jpg

arnoud3272
11-16-2012, 03:13 AM
:thumbsup:

maisygrrl
11-17-2012, 02:09 PM
I think it's safe to say my first foray into color has not been an overwhelming success :lol: I started out with colored pencils (not artist-grade ones, just a box of Crayolas that were laying around the house) and became frustrated with how pale the colors were, even when I tried to layer it up.

So I rummaged around some more and found an ancient-looking box of oil pastels and dove with those in overtop of the colored pencil. I appear to have taken the lovely and delicious-looking cherries from the photo and drowned them in an unsettling puddle of Lovecraftian darkness. I had a very hard time putting the pastel where I wanted it -- by the end I was mostly scraping some onto a tortillon and drawing with that when I wanted to fill in a small area, but by then much of the damage had been done. It also turned out that the white pastel has a pretty amazing capacity to hold a hidden smear of darker color that pops up at the worst possible time. Complicating matters a bit was that I lost some of my transferred lines by the time I got to the bottom, but the whole thing is pretty imprecise anyway.

It was an interesting experiment, and sort of fun making a great big mess, but I think it might have gone somewhat better if I'd tried my first idea and done it in monochrome with brown watercolor pencils.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Nov-2012/968565-2012-11-15-cherries-oil-pastel-resized.jpg

crafor
01-19-2013, 05:19 PM
Hello,
wow, many of the foregoing are really well done.
Here's my first assignment for this lessonthe first is the still life on bond paper, with the traced image under it. I traced it to transfer it to drawing paper, which is the second photo. I used graphite and carbon pencil. Graphite first, then tried to use charcoal to darken and remembered that charcoal doesn't go onto graphite, but the carbon pencil will. So I used it to darken.
I do like tracing, I can try different papers and mediums if time allows, without the work of redoing a drawing each time. This paper is Grumbacher drawing paper 7200-1. This is sort of a pinstripe embossed texture, and the tool used leaves heavy marks along the tops of the ridges that are not always easy to blend to a similar value for an area.
Ella
[IMG]http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2013/978289-P1180162.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jan-2013/978289-P1190164.JPG

arnoud3272
01-21-2013, 05:31 AM
Good job, Ella :clap:.
I'd strongly advise to work bigger, particularly on rough paper.
:wave:

ElleZ
01-31-2013, 05:37 AM
Hi Arnoud,
For now I have skipped over Lesson 9, as my few art books are still packed.
Here is the first part of this lesson, and sorry, I forgot to take a photo of the second stage. Also, as you can guess by now, I'm no photographer.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2013/150751-Lesson10-Sketch.jpg The photo for this was taken inside.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2013/150751-lesson10.jpgTaken outside just before a storm.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jan-2013/150751-lesson10darkerValues.jpg I have included this pic, as I wanted you to know that the real one is of much darker values and more even tones.
As always, I await your C&C, and will start work on the next section of this lesson in the meantime.
Oh! Just noticed some minor errors, so will fix these after your C&C.

arnoud3272
02-01-2013, 03:25 AM
Elle - Well done on the forms :clap:.
There is an issue with the shading, you forgot the main lesson learned in class 8: the darkest dark and the lightest light are almost never on the edges. Also in this case:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2013/142886-elle-pot.jpg

Look actively where you see the reflected light :thumbsup:.

ElleZ
02-01-2013, 06:05 AM
Hi Arnoud,
After doing my first sketch of this as per page 1 of the lesson, I went to the 'Rudy De Rena' "Draw what you see" online book, and checked out his image of this still life, and used his example of shading along with the shadows he used, for my finished results; except I made sure I had a full tonal scale to mine. ( I went back to his book, because I remembered reading this section last year in July) So are you saying that Rudy has it wrong in his book as well?
Below is the example of his I used to do my work....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Feb-2013/150751-example-L10.jpg
I am only asking this, as to me it seems strange that a reknown artist would use this picture in a book but the so said example is incorrect, if I read what you have said to me right.
Anyway, I will have the next stage of this lesson in soon. Read you later.
Have a good day/night.

arnoud3272
02-01-2013, 10:09 AM
Elle -
For your better understanding :thumbsup:.
So are you saying that Rudy has it wrong in his book as well? The drawing I used to illustrate my point is also by Rudy! I chose it because it is his most "finished" version, your example is still an exploratory study. But never mind.., my point stays: look carefully for the effects of the reflected light, it is there in what you took as reference as well, at the right of the pot and the creamer, and at both sides of the cup. What I mis in your drawing.
:wave:

crafor
02-17-2013, 05:27 PM
The FRUIT BOWL x 3. First it colored pencil--first experience with that. 2 and 3 are watercolor crayon, The first dry, the second, after disolving w/water. This is also among the first I've attempted with watercolor.

The banana and grapes turned out better in all I think, than the plums. I shoulda gone with purple plums, not red and purple...:angel: Forgot the shadow under the banana!:eek:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2013/978289-P2170176.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2013/978289-P2170177.JPG

For the last still life, can I upload a floral I'm working on?
Ella

arnoud3272
02-18-2013, 04:48 AM
Looks good, Ella, well done :clap:.
For the last still life, can I upload a floral I'm working on? Yes, sure, please do :).

crafor
02-18-2013, 09:11 AM
Arnoud, thanks!:)
Here it is! I hope to finish it today.
Oil on canvasboard. I chose it because it's the first floral I've painted in 20+ years, and I would appreciate your thoughts and suggestions on it. I plan to be doing more.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Feb-2013/978289-PC290157.JPG

Ella

arnoud3272
02-18-2013, 04:47 PM
Looks good, Ella :clap:.
But I didn't expect a painting. This belongs to the drawing forum, with the same posting guidelines: dry media and pen. Other media accepted IF the preparatory drawing is posted first.
Sorry, I cannot help you with painting.
:wave:

crafor
02-18-2013, 06:04 PM
Sorry, Arnoud...:wink2: I didn't take a photo of the drawing before painting over it.
oops, yes I did! Here it is--found by accident! Charcoal on canvas.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Feb-2013/978289-P9160125.JPG


I hope this fits the requiremants.
Ella

arnoud3272
02-19-2013, 05:10 AM
Ella - That's OK, I wasn't upset about the posting. But the fact is still that I'm not in a position to help with your painting. Not on formal grounds, but because I have no experience at all with oil.
:)

crafor
02-19-2013, 12:08 PM
Is that drawing acceptible, can I go on?
Ella

arnoud3272
02-19-2013, 03:23 PM
Is that drawing acceptible, can I go on?
Ella
Yes, Ella, of course :thumbsup:.

crafor
02-19-2013, 07:55 PM
Arnoud, Thank you.
Ella

NemoPS
08-01-2013, 05:16 PM
Here is my exercise 1:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Aug-2013/1130582-lesson10_finished.jpg

I have to admin I was kinda bugged by the background, so i basically threw in a couple of random lines and left it as it was :)

Excercise 2 coming soon ... in watercolors! :D

arnoud3272
08-02-2013, 03:04 PM
Excellent job, Fabio :clap:
As for the background, you're not bound by the reference. Some people invented their own background, a tiled wall for instance.
Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

NemoPS
09-03-2013, 05:03 PM
And here are my other entries at last:

I used watercolors for the second exercise
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2013/1130582-stillife2.jpg
Not as good as I thought it would have been :D I messed a bit with it!


And went back to pencil for the third

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2013/1130582-cherries.jpg

Fabio

arnoud3272
09-03-2013, 05:09 PM
All very nice, Fabio :clap:.

A side remark: it is OK in this class, but as a rule watercolour is not an acceptable medium in the D&S Forum.

Please continue your journey :thumbsup:.

bigskycountry
09-24-2013, 01:22 PM
Hi. This is the "skeleton" drawing of the Rudy de Reyna still life. I used the illustration in the book for the reference. Have taken off the training wheels (no grid, no computer, just pencil, paper and a 2nd sheet of paper to help align the verticals) and am getting off to a rather wobbly start -- but at least I didn't totally crash (LOL). Mine is on 9X12" paper and the original reference's proportions are a little more toward "square about 3-7/8x4-7/8".
Lee

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2013/1055472-wcDrawClass10.jpg

arnoud3272
09-24-2013, 05:06 PM
Well done, Lee :clap:.
Have taken off the training wheels (no grid, no computer, "no grid" I can understand - although nothing wrong with grids.
But consider this: Practice makes perfect, but not if you keep making the same errors. So your training must include feedback. A teacher is the best way, but for improving accuracy in outlines you can generate the feedback easily yourself with drawing software. As is the case for most people, you're better in guessing vertical proportions than horizontal:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2013/142886-lee-pot.jpg

(and look at the handle of the pot).
But for these corrections, you did not need my contribution if you'd used the computer.
MIND, to use it as a learning tool you check your errors when done, not as a help during drawing.

One remark on the saucer: you misinterpreted the reflection on the pot for the left side of the saucer. But the result is that the cup and saucer seem to float.
:thumbsup:

bigskycountry
09-24-2013, 09:01 PM
Thank you Arnoud. Guess I'm not quite ready to take off those training wheels yet! (LOL) -- although being able to do so and ride free--as in draw well freehand--eventually is one of my goals, however lofty it may seem at the moment (:>). Just got photoshop and will explore/research how to do the checks like you do as I think that would be a tremendous help and a lot less time consuming (have been downloading reference photo into Photo Filtre program to generate a grid with number of squares drawing will be in inches then redraw on graph paper to make the comparison).

Thanks so much for all you do here -- you've brought me a long ways from where I started. Now "back to the drawing board" -- literally!

Lee

bigskycountry
09-25-2013, 05:30 PM
It took me the better part of the day, but I think I have the photoshop thing figured out. And what it told me is after some correcting, I still have more work to do on the handle before it's ready to transfer to the drawing paper. Thanks again for your coaching. :clap: Hope to have the drawing done in a couple of days.

bigskycountry
09-27-2013, 06:17 PM
Here is Drawing #1 for this class. It's on 140 lb. CP water color paper. The gray at the top is due to paper being slightly larger than the scanner. Lee

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2013/1055472-wcClass10Draw1.jpg

arnoud3272
09-28-2013, 02:41 PM
Excellent job, Lee, very well done :clap::clap:.
I see some weak point with respect to the design / composition. I think it misses a background: it would be different with a so called "vignette" (if the object did not fill the compete foreground). But don't try to add it now, it more often than not shows (with a "halo") when the background is not developed at the same time as the drawing or painting.
The pencil work is very well executed :thumbsup:.

bigskycountry
10-02-2013, 05:31 PM
Here is exercise 2 using a medium I've never used before as suggested in the instructions. This is colored pencil (albeit quite old ones made for children to use-- but it's what I had on hand).

After pondering how to practice differently to get different results (duh- (LOL) Sometimes it takes a teacher to point out the obvious -- thanks, again), I taped the photo to the wall so it would be stationary and vertical. Also I created a template on tracing paper that I could overlay on the drawing from time to time to check progress and see what I needed to shore up (the grapes were the culprit for me at first -- not much off but each one off about the same amount in the same place causing the next one to start in the wrong place. Add that to drawing it slightly off and after 4-5 grapes, the drawing started getting way off. The point is -- that checking, as I did, I was able to discover where it was off and why it was so difficult for me to pinpoint without the use of the template. They were all just a little off, so didn't jump right out at me like one of them being way off would have. In other words, I was able to learn from my mistakes instead of just recognizing it didn't look right. Yea! Maybe next drawing I'll experiment with something else different. Lee

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Oct-2013/1055472-DrawC10Ex2Small.jpg

arnoud3272
10-03-2013, 05:32 PM
Very nice work, Lee :clap:.
I was able to learn from my mistakes instead of just recognizing it didn't look right. :thumbsup:.

bigskycountry
10-11-2013, 01:44 PM
Here is the 3rd assignment. I had difficulty with getting the shading even on this one and it looks "messy" as a result. Part of the trouble is I couldn't decide direction of strokes from one cherry to the next or even within the same cherry and the other is I sometimes used the side of the pencil lead and sometimes the tip, but without a clear plan of where to do which. Suggestions on what to focus on for further practice outside of the "class"?

Thanks, Lee

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2013/1055472-StillLife3.jpg

arnoud3272
10-13-2013, 01:41 PM
Well done, Lee :clap:.
I like the "painterly" effect.

Suggestions on what to focus on for further practice outside of the "class"? It all depends on purpose and intended style. If my assumptions are correct, you tend to a rather "realist" style. Then you could for instance focus on the smooth application of graphite in easy layers, so that the individual strokes disappear. Look up any thread on cats in the main D&S forum to read the advice by Ken (SparrowHawk7).
Or if you'd like to "loosen up", to better draw freehand, I could suggest to join in to the "Scavenger Hunts" in the Artwork from Life forum. The current one (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1331233) is almost closed, but then a new one will be started.

Please move on to one of the next classes :thumbsup:.

netta13542
02-17-2014, 12:03 AM
Ok here is my first assignment of still life. Sorry I have been busy with things. I was afraid to post this one I redid it thinking that it wasn't correct. http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy24/netta130/art/PhotoSep27100753PM_zps1f343166.jpg

arnoud3272
02-17-2014, 03:08 AM
Netta - Welcome back :).
But please post your work HERE; I'm not going to look at other sites.
:wave:

netta13542
02-17-2014, 06:23 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Feb-2014/1060812-Photo_Sep_27,_10_07_53_PM.jpg


OK here is my post. I just did the resizing thing.

arnoud3272
02-18-2014, 01:47 PM
Good job, I think, Netta :clap:.

Two remarks:
1. Don't photograph your work obliquely. Hold your camera square to the surface of the drawing:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Feb-2014/142886-camera-square.jpg

2. It is matter of style to use well-defined strokes or more fuzzy ones. And "lost and found" edges can make a drawing or painting more interesting. But it is my feeling that the centre of interest should be rather clearly depicted. In my view, the cup is the centre of interest in this composition, and that is exactly where you completely lost the edges :confused:.

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

meadowsweetmom
09-14-2014, 01:16 PM
Here is my first drawing for this class. Great fun but hard! I am still not getting the darks as dark as I want. Seems no matter how much I go over an area the paper has a limit and after a certain darkness the graphite just will not stick. Any suggestions? I used Strathmore Drawing paper, 70 lb, for this one. Would heavier paper get darker? Or rougher? Or smoother? I am confused.

The camera angle is not perfect but you get the idea. also in real life the pot handle is darker than the creamer. Not sure why the photo is like that. I will have to learn how to photograph these better.
Thanks, Barb

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Sep-2014/1912930-IMG_4632.JPG

arnoud3272
09-15-2014, 05:18 PM
Very well executed, Barb :clap::clap:.
....the paper has a limit and after a certain darkness the graphite just will not stick. Any suggestions? I used Strathmore Drawing paper, 70 lb, for this one. Would heavier paper get darker? Or rougher? Or smoother? I am confused.
A heavier paper will keep its "tooth" longer, if not maltreated that is. The "lb" number is an ambiguous measure (see here (http://paperworks.com/about-paper-weights) for instance), but I think 70 lb is rather light - the paper that I use is not extremely heavy and it says 100 lb.
Coarse or smooth: on coarse paper there will be little white specks - the troughs that cannot be filled in; smooth paper takes longer to deposit enough graphite. It is a matter of taste and preference.

....also in real life the pot handle is darker than the creamer. Not sure why the photo is like that..... Probably unequal lighting. We - our eyes - don't see it, we compensate without knowing, but a camera records the exact shade.

:wave:

meadowsweetmom
09-21-2014, 02:59 PM
Arnoud - Well it has been quite a week of drawing! I wanted to do the required still life pot of fruit in colored pencil, but I have never done much color work let alone colored pencil! But I barged ahead and made a mess of it, then read most of the posts in the color pencil class and worked and reworked this drawing till I couldn't do any more. I am somewhat happy with it, though I can see all kinds of problems with the color execution etc. (I put my first layer on too heavy and the paper quickly became slick so I could not easily put later layers on smoothly. Also chose bad background colors and had to change them, not so successfully. And many other issues...) NOW I know how to start a colored pencil piece and am anxious to do my next still life with my new knowledge.
Hope this will pass. Any comments are very welcome.
Thanks, Barb
PS As usual the photo is a bit scuzzy.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Sep-2014/1912930-IMG_0001.jpg

arnoud3272
09-21-2014, 05:01 PM
Very well done, Barb :clap:.
Your study of the tutorials was not in vain :thumbsup:. I like the subtle details in shade / hue.
:wave:

meadowsweetmom
09-29-2014, 12:40 PM
Arnoud - Here is the colored pencil still life that I have been working on for the past week or so. I learned a lot and the challenge to do glass was new and very fun/frustrating. Still not sure why it is not better, but I was happy with the shininess of the top of the pepper grinder at least. The blue highlights in the glass were very hard to get right! I also noticed, AFTER I had but the photo on the screen, that the top of the grinder was not the right shape! I think it morphed from the original sketch as I transferred it from paper to paper and then colored it in - this keeps happening to me.
I am posting the reference photo as well. I am also still struggling not being able to get colors dark enough, black comes out grey no matter how many layers etc. I have this on Bristol 100 lb smooth surface. Very nice to work on with the colored pencils.

(I just noticed that I did not have the white balance right on the camera so this looks a bit bluer overall than in the original. So much to think about!)

Thanks so much,
Barb

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2014/1912930-IMG_0623.JPGhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2014/1912930-IMG_0619.JPG

arnoud3272
09-30-2014, 02:50 AM
This is very nice, Barb :clap::clap:.
I like your rendering of the reflections.
Don't hesitate to crosspost this to the Colored Pencil and/or Still Life forums :thumbsup:.

meadowsweetmom
09-30-2014, 07:54 AM
Thanks Arnoud! I am very nervous about posting this on the colored pencil forum where there are so many way more advanced than I, but I will do it.

Also, a question about the classes. Can I take 102 classes now as well? And do you know of any plans to get a class going again, as in gathering a group of people to attend? The material is great and it would be so good to do it with others.

thanks, barb

arnoud3272
09-30-2014, 03:10 PM
....
Also, a question about the classes. Can I take 102 classes now as well? And do you know of any plans to get a class going again, as in gathering a group of people to attend? All classes are open for you :thumbsup:.
Judging by what happened to the Weekly Drawing Thread, I don't think the classes can be rejuvenated. The WDT died a slow death 2 years ago; twice a new member tried to revive it, without success. Considering also that the format isn't attractive to the YouTube generation: you must read, an ancient and almost forgotten art.
:wave:

Dutchpen
03-05-2015, 07:19 AM
Good Afternoon Arnoud

Having taken your advice and read through all the Posts and Drawings in this

Class.......Personally I think I don't have enough experience in SHADING to attempt doing this assignment at present..........

Your ideas or advice most welcome

arnoud3272
03-05-2015, 05:55 PM
Mike - "Later ..." But if you don't practice, "later" will never come :(.
There are two aspects in learning how to shade.
One is the theoretical understanding of how the light plays on surfaces (specular highlight, light, terminator, dark, reflected light). But carefully observing the reference will get you in the right direction. After all, this "theory" is just the write down of empirical observation.
Then there is the skill in handling the pencil to produce the correct value. That needs patience and practice. Patience in applying several light layers to obtain the necessary darkness. Not a "zhouf, zhouf, zhouf, ready".
And practice, practice, practice.
:wave:

Dutchpen
03-07-2015, 08:02 AM
Arnoud
Think this needs to be bigger......your thoughts pleasehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2015/1772578-m_IMG_0001.jpg

arnoud3272
03-07-2015, 03:11 PM
Mike - You're off to a good start :clap:.
Bigger ? yes I think so. For instance consider the detailed variations in the grapes, you need miniature painting skills to avoid a rough result.

Compare the reference and your sketch carefully: the width-height proportion of the pot is completely off.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2015/142886-mike.JPG

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:.

Dutchpen
03-08-2015, 04:47 AM
Arnoud
I,ve adjusted the proportions and enlarged the drawing you observation and comments pleasehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Mar-2015/1772578-m_IMG_0001.jpg

arnoud3272
03-08-2015, 05:13 AM
Well done, Mike :clap:.
I take it that you will finish in colored pencil. Make sure you get rid of the heavy outlining :thumbsup:.

Dutchpen
03-08-2015, 08:57 AM
Well done, Mike :clap:.
I take it that you will finish in colored pencil. Make sure you get rid of the heavy outlining :thumbsup:.

Yes will erase the 6b lines....thought coloured pencils and shading in pencil is that acceptable that way I practice two things!!!

arnoud3272
03-08-2015, 09:18 AM
....thought coloured pencils and shading in pencil is that acceptable that way I practice two things!!! Eh ... well, you might think that gives you the best of two worlds, but IMO its not a good idea. It is technically not straightforward and it will look a bit as the old-fashioned (very old :evil:) hand colored B&W photos, IF very well done. Better keep it in color.
:wave:

Dutchpen
03-08-2015, 01:21 PM
Eh ... well, you might think that gives you the best of two worlds, but IMO its not a good idea. It is technically not straightforward and it will look a bit as the old-fashioned (very old :evil:) hand colored B&W photos, IF very well done. Better keep it in color.
:wave:

Thank you for the Guidance.............Will try rendering I Coloured Pencils

Dutchpen
03-09-2015, 06:39 AM
Class 10 Still Life Coloured Pencils Appreciate your observations and comments thank youhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2015/1772578-m_IMG_0001.jpg

arnoud3272
03-09-2015, 12:09 PM
Nice effect, Mike :clap:.
There is some room for improvement in the stroke management. Try to get a regular value in the individual strokes when you fill a shape. That is easier when layering, applying a minimum of pressure in each layer.
And you can get a better suggestion of spherical forms by following the form with your strokes, i.e. curved, not straight.
Well done :thumbsup:.