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djstar
05-21-2001, 04:43 AM
THIS is going to lay it on the line, because I am going to start from the photo.

I liked the pose and look, but the photo is really flat and a lot of what I want in the picture I forgot to photograph...like the little boy's hand?!?!
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So I did some messing in my photo editor and decided it was strong enough, so I roughed in the masses...

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(frankly, I liked the shapes, but am still scared of my color layout. When in doubt, wing it!: )

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I have great fear this demo may be a dud because I am suddenly afraid of dark colors and they are what make the picture so much richer.
This looks like I am not sure why I am using the colors.
So here is the first use of pastel.

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Right now it looks too flat to me. I should have used richer underpaint so I wouldn't have to work so hard.

The photos are way warmer because I always do these in rotten light in the middle of the night so the colors are incandescent and flash.

After I start my crown tomorrow, I will see if I have the gumption to work in the daylight.

So, maybe if I perfect my literary style, I will be ready for an article one day Artistry!
dj*

Roan
05-21-2001, 05:52 AM
Great seeing this step-by-step this far back... is that black over the dark blue areas or blues or umbers? What kind and weight of watercolor paper are you using? Do you think this type of technique would lend itself to thinned acrylic and sanded papers? Would be nice to get away from pastel underpaintings.

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djstar
05-21-2001, 11:14 AM
In the seminar, we stretched 140 lb. cold pressed Arches, but I found a great block of the stuff because my staples kept falling out of the board.
I really don't know how other supports work, really, since all I have used so far is this and colored canson paper.
I also am leaning toward strictly nupastel. I know the colors are so much richer in real soft pastel, but I like being able to use fixitive. I am pulling out the softies for this because I messed up my underpainting and know I can go darker if I spray them.
I will try to re photograph the last one... no I will take the picture of the next one outside so you can see how badly the camera shifted the colors.
Not sure what you mean about the black over blue.
Thanks for commenting.
dj*

Roan
05-21-2001, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by djstar:
In the seminar, we stretched 140 lb. cold pressed Arches, but I found a great block of the stuff because my staples kept falling out of the board.

Blocks rule! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

I really don't know how other supports work, really, since all I have used so far is this and colored canson paper.
I also am leaning toward strictly nupastel. I know the colors are so much richer in real soft pastel, but I like being able to use fixitive.

I'm going to start exploring your technique soon as I can get back to my pastels. It looks great and it's time for a change.

I am pulling out the softies for this because I messed up my underpainting and know I can go darker if I spray them.
I will try to re photograph the last one... no I will take the picture of the next one outside so you can see how badly the camera shifted the colors.

Cool!

Not sure what you mean about the black over blue.

The watercolor wash over the boy's shirt/vest and other dark areas look blue, then you have a much darker pastel over that. My question is what pastel color are you using there? Appears to be black, but could be a deep shade of blue or even umber.
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<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">"Chuireadh e na searraich bho dheoghal." --</FONT c>
<FONT size="1">It would put the foals from sucking.
(So bitter or disgusting.) </FONT s>
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djstar
05-21-2001, 04:03 PM
Sort of stuck
This is the truer color layout, but it is yet a bit contrasty because I used the camera and haven't scanned.
I put a smalller frame around it and it works, but I am waiting until I feel more confident of what to do in front of them.

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LDianeJohnson
05-24-2001, 05:44 PM
Hi DJ,

What a nice thing you are doing with this piece! Not many people would have selected this photo. You have a good eye for interesting poses & arrangements.

And you are not afraid of color, and attack with vigor http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I see just a couple of things at this point which may be a matter of the web photos...

Try pulling a bit of color from the child's clothing into the adult's clothing and visa-versa. Since you are dealing with very strong contrasts of the red vs. blue creating more of a transition in the shadow areas between the two figures will bring them together more visually. Same at the topmost part of the white apron just under the child's bottom.

Also, I know you have not worked in this area yet, but the red awning at the top...lower the value and intensity there so that the woman advances toward the viewer more effectively.

Love those feathers!

Diane

P.S. "So, maybe if I perfect my literary style, I will be ready for an article one day Artistry!"
You're ready now! I have virtually no writing training and struggle words...so if I can do it you can too http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif And you are very good at showing the process.

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Roan
05-24-2001, 08:01 PM
I'm with Diane! C'mon, Deb, don't be shy!

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<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">"Chuireadh e na searraich bho dheoghal." --</FONT c>
<FONT size="1">It would put the foals from sucking.
(So bitter or disgusting.) </FONT s>
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Roan
05-24-2001, 08:03 PM
Oh, Deb, I just wanted to say something about your progress stuff:

I REALLY REALLY appreciate the fact that you also mention your hesitations and mistakes etc.,. Too many times I've read books or seen demos where the artist makes no mistakes or shows no hesitation. That's not human! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Your progress is very real and your thought processes easy to relate to.

Please don't stop posting them this way!

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<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">"Chuireadh e na searraich bho dheoghal." --</FONT c>
<FONT size="1">It would put the foals from sucking.
(So bitter or disgusting.) </FONT s>
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Mavis Tompkins
06-10-2001, 06:33 PM
djstar; re pow wow 3......WOW WOW WOW!, your imaginative use of colour has me green with envy, seeing red cos I can't do what you do, and have I got the blues!! How do you see such colour and know its right when working from a photograph, the violet tones in the white costume are so lovely, and your initial sketch is full of confident lines. Mavis.

animal
06-10-2001, 11:56 PM
I really like the colours you have used. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif