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Mark A Bufton
03-22-2013, 06:06 PM
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The spitfire above is MJ730, the MkIXe famously flown by 32 Squadron RAF's OC with the lettering GZ-?

32 Squadron were based at RAF Pembrey between 17 April and 1 June 1940 but flew Hurricanes at the time.

My problem is that, living in Mid Wales, a lot of my scenes have a Mid Wales feel to them so an aircraft from Pembrey might not look out of place. The only Spitfire squadron to operate from Pembrey were No.92 Squadron RAF shortly after their CO, Sqn Ldr R J Bushell (famous for the Great Escape) was shot down over Dunkirk. His aircraft would not therefore be eligible if it's to be a Wales painting though it's the only one I have full details of (MkI Spitfire N3194 GR-Z). Another contender could be Plt Off H P Hill, who joined the squadron in Oct 1939 and was shot down on Friday 20 September 1940, flying X4417, though this was not his normal aircraft.

I don't however have aircraft lettering for X4417, though I assume the squadron letters remained as GR until later than this, when I believe they were changed to QJ.

What do you guys think I should do? I have this in the top left quadrant of a 20 x 16 inch canvas with wing tips on the mid lines. Perhaps stick with Bushells Spitfire over Dunkirk (in which case I've no idea what else I'll do (ideas?) or ???

Could have planned this one better, but impulses got the better of me :(

napier
03-22-2013, 07:00 PM
Here is a list from 1094-1941 of some of the spitfires based in Prembrey during that period:

N3194 - GR-Z later QJ-Z
N3265 - GR-T
P9324 - GR-W
P9374 - GR-J
P9367 - GR-A later QJ-A
P9384 - GR-B
X4147 - QJ-W

Don't know who piloted these planes. Hope this helps.

Chas McHugh
03-22-2013, 07:28 PM
Pembrey opened 05/40 closed 1957

10 Grp Fighter Command

32 Sqn 17/04-01/06/41 Hurricane 1

92 Sqn 18/06- 08/09/40 Spitfire 1

238 Sqn Hurricane II

256 Sqn Defiant

316 Sqn Hurricane 1

Which would suggest that 92 were only there 3 months.

Chas McHugh
03-22-2013, 07:30 PM
Ps nice drawing. A Sitfires wing whilst an object of aviation beauty, can be a major ball ache on canvas, and I reckon you have it nailed.

Mark A Bufton
03-22-2013, 07:51 PM
Here is a list from 1094-1941 of some of the spitfires based in Prembrey during that period:

N3194 - GR-Z later QJ-Z
N3265 - GR-T
P9324 - GR-W
P9374 - GR-J
P9367 - GR-A later QJ-A
P9384 - GR-B
X4147 - QJ-W

Don't know who piloted these planes. Hope this helps.

Napier, you little beauty :D I could seemingly just take my pick. Lovely ;)

Shamrock15
03-22-2013, 08:03 PM
I think I have the same source as Napier (Fighter Sqdns of the RAF). They were at Pembrey from June to Sept '40, with the GR changing to QJ in mid-40. So, the one you are looking for might have been there for only one month.

Mark A Bufton
03-22-2013, 08:03 PM
Pembrey opened 05/40 closed 1957

Which would suggest that 92 were only there 3 months.

Yes, I do believe that's right. They transferred there from Hornchurch (where they spent even less time). It could be that they were transferred to get some rest during the battle of Britain or, perhaps more likely, to help protect the installations of South Wales etc. Afraid my history doesn't quite stretch that far.

I managed to stretch to a set of French Curves the other day which might help when I figure out how to actually use them :D

Shamrock15
03-22-2013, 08:22 PM
QJ - S R6923 one of the first converted to 2 x 20mm cannon
QJ - F R6908 Probably July
QJ - D X4272 Sept 40 entry to service.
QJ - B X4561 Probably Sept

Shamrock15
03-22-2013, 08:24 PM
QJ P N3128 - code letters possibly reversed on stbd side (pg 220 of book)

Shamrock15
03-22-2013, 08:27 PM
Last note - my book says they went there for convoy patrols (like you thought, a rest)

napier
03-22-2013, 10:42 PM
you are right Shamrock15 just shows how old we are I brought it when it first came out in 1969.

Mark A Bufton
03-23-2013, 06:29 AM
And, as always, you chaps are my life savers :D

Shamrock15
03-23-2013, 07:03 AM
Found mine in a used book store - I was born the year it came out! It was backed up by an excellent book on the spitfire that I picked up about a decade ago - all the tech specs, serials, and dispositions of the machines.

Mark A Bufton
03-23-2013, 08:50 AM
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Am now thinking on the scene. Thought maybe a ploughed field complete with a few land girls or something...background hills similar to the exercise below (maybe minus the big tree on the right. Looks like the pilot may be showing off a bit TOO much if there were a large tree there. Also adjust the tree level left so that it doesn't meet the hill tops. I'm not sure...opinions????

Shamrock15
03-23-2013, 09:19 AM
I think it will really need something in the lower right corner - spectators?

Mark A Bufton
03-23-2013, 09:33 AM
Agreed. Good place for the land girls perhaps?

Mark A Bufton
04-07-2013, 12:29 PM
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Made a start on the background. I elected for a simple plain graded sky, which I can re-assess later to see if I need to include a few cloud formations. Below this will be placed a distant treeline, perhaps another field and finally the foreground trees.

I will probably suggest some farm buildings to the right between the foreground trees.

Much of the middle distance here will be seen through trees rather than how it is now.

Mark.

vegaskip
04-07-2013, 02:01 PM
Remember the a/c is the 'Star', so don't get too busy under it.
Jim

Mark A Bufton
04-07-2013, 03:01 PM
I shall try :)

Mark A Bufton
04-14-2013, 04:43 PM
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Thought I'd make a start on the aircraft. Though the colours look slightly brighter here, these are the mid-tones. Highlights and shadows will be added later. That said, the green is COMPLETELY OFF. Rather than using a viridian base as I planned to to create a more blue-green, I used olive green. Still, I guess it could be worse and with oils I do have the option to repaint it should I see the need later on.

It also needs modifications in a few places...the mirror, insignia and a few places where I "painted over the lines" in my haste :D

Thoughts???

Chas McHugh
04-14-2013, 05:58 PM
I would try adding raw umber (brown) into the green and off canvas, see what the addition of scarlet red does to the tone. Usually when I am using green, I take oxide green, which is very opaque and quite dark and make a cocktail by either adding Umber or Cad yellow rather then white or black to adjust tones. It can be a troublesome colour especially when made at home using blues and yellows. For me, Umber is second only to white in my most popular colour of the palette.

The brown on my Dakota is Raw Umber & Cad yellow with a touch of green oxide to provide staining.

Mark A Bufton
04-15-2013, 09:23 AM
Thanks Chas, I shall hang on every word. I'm tempted to have a real play with colours on some oil paper - something I've, perhaps stupidly, put off thus far - and see what I get. Could be fun while I'm waiting on this to dry.

Trumper
07-11-2013, 02:08 PM
Just wondering how this finished up :)

Mark A Bufton
07-14-2013, 06:46 AM
It's still in progress. Unfortunately it seems to have gone to the back of the queue with a few other works lately. Will hopefully carry on now in the next week or two :)

Trumper
07-15-2013, 07:51 AM
It's still in progress. Unfortunately it seems to have gone to the back of the queue with a few other works lately. Will hopefully carry on now in the next week or two :)
LOL i know that feeling.Sometimes you just need a break and start afresh with "new eyes" ,good luck :)

Mark A Bufton
07-15-2013, 10:56 AM
Definitely. And I'll need all the luck I can get ;)