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sajemak
04-03-2001, 07:20 PM
What do you use to protect your pastel when done with it?

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Roan
04-03-2001, 07:56 PM
Glass, matting and frame http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Seriously. Most pastelists will not use anything over the finished pastel and I'm one of those. Applying fixative usually changes the colors and makes it "flat" looking. You can experiment with it, of course, but don't use your good work for that http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

A good framing job is all it needs, just make sure you use spacers so that the painting does not touch the glass at all. There is a thread in here on framing pastels. Lemme know if you need it and I'll see if I can pull it up for you.


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Shari
04-04-2001, 09:10 AM
Roan,

What do you do if you don't frame your work? do you fix it then? I am just learning too and I certainly wouldn't frame these pieces I am doing now. Maybe in the future when I get better, but I am just doing this for the love of it, I don't plan on having my work in a gallery or anything. I have been spraying my work with fixative at the end because I am storing them in a case with trace paper in between the sheets. Any suggestions?

Shari

Roan
04-04-2001, 09:37 AM
Tracing paper. . . never used that. You can store pastel paintings flat between sheets of glassine and there's no need to fix them.

It's pretty cheap stuff too. I think Dakota stocks rolls for $20.

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<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">"Bu shoilleir a dhreach, 's bu luath
Shiubhal: Sith-fada b'e ainm." --</FONT c>
<FONT size="1">"Shining his coat, and speedy
His pace -- Si-Fada his name."
Si-Fada = "long pace"</FONT s>
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bk7251
04-04-2001, 08:59 PM
Glassine is not bad for protecting pastels, but in my experience, a better choice is coated offset paper. You can buy it from any printer - it's shiny, very smooth white paper. I've found that glassine is slightly rougher and it picks up some of the pastel from the paper.

When I order the coated offset, I have it cut to fit the two or three sizes of pastel paper I use. Sometimes I fold it in half and put the finished pastel inside. Other times, I cut the paper to the size of the pastel, plus two or three inches. I fold this flap over and tape it to the back of the pastel, forming an attached cover.

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LDianeJohnson
04-05-2001, 01:15 AM
Shari,

Even with practice pieces you don't need to spray them if you stack them properly.

Lightly tape (using low tack, artist's tape) either inexpensive newsprint paper (which is not archival), or glasine paper to the top of each painting and let it hang freely, then stack your paintings in a safe place. They will be protected as long as no heavy pressure is applied and no major shifting takes place.

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Ohju
04-23-2001, 08:23 PM
As my opinion, I use fixative, for all of my pieces. I have used it for over 20 yrs. and to me they don't look flat. They might change the color some but not as much as everyone thinks they do.
None of my pieces have flaked off or smudged 'cause of it either.
Do what is best for you. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
~Ju

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Art washes from the Soul, the dust of everyday life. ~Picasso

Mavis Tompkins
04-25-2001, 07:23 PM
For just messing about and experimenting, I'll use brown wrapping paper, the rough side, and the inside of used cereal packets. For fixing I spray now and then while working, with the cheapest hairspray I can find, smells ok too! From Mavis. P.S. Life is so busy now I.m a reired Ha Ha old pensioner I am getting withdrawal symptoms, and just have to pick up a pastel now and then and scribble on anything to hand for a few seconds.

MarshaSavage
05-02-2001, 09:45 AM
Like Diane said -- just stack them. I staple my paper to foam board for painting on, leave it on when finished and then cover with glassine. I have one shelf that is only for finished/unfinished, unframed work and they are just stacked with no weight on top, except other pastels.

I know some people that have a huge cork board and they thumbtack their unframed pieces to that board where they can see them when in their studio/painting room. This also helps if they want to live with a painting for a while to see if their is anything else they want to do to it. Get some distance from the painting process of that particular painting.

Good luck and frame a couple in inexpensive frames for yourself! Be sure to use the spacers - even behind the mats, lets the pastel dust sift down behind the mat - not on the mat!

Have fun!
Marsha -- http://marshasavage.artistnation.com

Roan
05-02-2001, 02:40 PM
Marsha,

Ow, you just reminded me http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif
I have a STACK of black foamboard on order that I intend to "wallpaper" my new studio with -- just for this very purpose! I'm setting up in the basement and the walls are 20 feet high -- lot's of room to do this! The foamboard is a lot cheaper than cork.

I'm also going to clear off a section to cover in dense black cloth for photographing my work as well.

Gosh, I am so far behind with posts in here!

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<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">"Bu shoilleir a dhreach, 's bu luath
Shiubhal: Sith-fada b'e ainm." --</FONT c>
<FONT size="1">"Shining his coat, and speedy
His pace -- Si-Fada his name."
Si-Fada = "long pace"</FONT s>
RoanStudio.com (http://RoanStudio.com) &lt;--- supply resources for pastelists!

MarshaSavage
05-02-2001, 03:17 PM
Roan - might be a great idea to use the foamboard instead of cork -- but what are you attaching your work to the board with? Tape - is your paper going to stay; or tacks or push-pins - then you have holes that will eventually bother your trying to put up something new. Of course, it might take a long time for that to be a problem with foamboard. I am envious of so much wall space -- I am also in the basement, but it is a daylight basement, which means there is a double window (nice) on one wall and a single window on another wall, large desk, large table, three large shelf units and three different doors into the room-- so you see - not much wall space.

I have only used white boards - how is it to use black foamboard?

Marsha -- http://marshasavage.artistnation.com

Roan
05-02-2001, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by MarshaSavage:
Roan - might be a great idea to use the foamboard instead of cork -- but what are you attaching your work to the board with? Tape - is your paper going to stay; or tacks or push-pins - then you have holes that will eventually bother your trying to put up something new.

I use silver push pins http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif All my stuff has at least a 3" border of "nothing" that I stick it on my walls with. My studio and bedroom and upstairs hallways are plastered with paintings stick there with push pins and thumbtacks!

The holes aren't a problem, really, and the upstairs is the last place I'll be repainting. As for the new studio, if the foamcore gets "holey" I'll just staple gun a new sheet up :P

Of course, it might take a long time for that to be a problem with foamboard. I am envious of so much wall space -- I am also in the basement, but it is a daylight basement, which means there is a double window (nice) on one wall and a single window on another wall, large desk, large table, three large shelf units and three different doors into the room-- so you see - not much wall space.

Yes, but you have light! I have two crummy basement windows that hardly let air in, let alone light. I have to rely on a mix of flourescent, full spectrum, et al bulbs. Bah!

I was just lucky enough that my husband is the type to take the basement area with the lower ceilings for his office. If I had my choice and didn't have to worry about appearances I'd be using my living room. It has HUGE north windows and soaring 20 foot walls. Very nice, but the mess would be horrendous. I can dream, though :P

I have only used white boards - how is it to use black foamboard?

For photography? Or for tacking the paintings up?


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[This message has been edited by Roan (edited May 02, 2001).]

MarshaSavage
05-03-2001, 07:00 AM
Roan -- for photography. I know the guy I take my stuff to for professional slides uses black - but I take pictures just for my little brag book, and for my portfolio, and just for inventory purposes. Should I be using black instead of the white and why? Sorry this probably is a question for another forum.

Thanks - Marsha -- http://marshasavage.artistnation.com

Roan
05-03-2001, 11:10 AM
Marsha,

The recommended color is black, but a dull black, not shiny. There's a thread here in the Pastels forum on this -- lemme see if I can find it and I'll post the link for you.

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<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">"Chuireadh e na searraich bho dheoghal." --</FONT c>
<FONT size="1">It would put the foals from sucking.
(So bitter or disgusting.) </FONT s>
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Roan
05-03-2001, 11:25 AM
Ah, here it is:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000194.html

While looking for it I also found this other interesting thread on painting from slides:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000269.html



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<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">"Chuireadh e na searraich bho dheoghal." --</FONT c>
<FONT size="1">It would put the foals from sucking.
(So bitter or disgusting.) </FONT s>
RoanStudio.com (http://RoanStudio.com) &lt;--- supply resources for pastelists!
Wet Canvas Community Web Ring! (http://RoanStudio.com/webrings/wetcanvas/index.html) &lt;--- Shameless plug!