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armada_setyadi
01-01-2013, 06:10 AM
This is my oil painting using the layered approach. This is a realistic painting, but not that realistic as the flower on the right is going to be purple, and the flower on the left is going to be white (This can't be happened in real world :D ). It's like Romeo and Juliet. The forbidden love. :evil:

The canvas is pretty small, 7.5" x 10". When the painting is done, I'm going to upload to youtube and compose a classical music piece for my painting. Any feedback is allowed.

Here is my reference photo:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2013/1159664-28122012_130815.jpg

And my steps:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2013/1159664-01.JPG

armada_setyadi
01-01-2013, 06:25 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2013/1159664-02_copy.jpg

Toning my canvas:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2013/1159664-03_copy.jpg

And the real work begins:
Umber layer 1:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2013/1159664-08_copy.jpg

Umber layer 2:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2013/1159664-10_copy.jpg

armada_setyadi
01-01-2013, 06:39 AM
I do not use any carbon paper nor grid method for this painting. It's a small painting. My reference photo has the same size as the painting. I use the pencil and thumb method. :)

Let's now begin the grisaille layer: ;)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2013/1159664-12_copy.jpg

armada_setyadi
01-01-2013, 11:10 AM
The Grisaille layer updated: :wave:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2013/1159664-14_copy.jpg

OziAfricana
01-01-2013, 12:28 PM
This is lovely and coming on nicely armada. Is it burnt umber that you are using for the underpainting?

armada_setyadi
01-01-2013, 12:37 PM
This is lovely and coming on nicely armada. Is it burnt umber that you are using for the underpainting?

Hi Ozi.. Thank you.. This is my 6th attempt using this layered technique and I think I finally begin to understand the technique.. This is the most successful painting so far. Yes, it's burnt umber. I like using umber paints because they dry pretty fast when combined with turpentine (I use 1 part turpentine, 1 part linseed oil). ^^

Trumper
01-01-2013, 04:03 PM
:) Looking really good.I wish i understood the technique,how did you start and get it to "click".

crafor
01-01-2013, 04:23 PM
Very nice. Thanks for sharing. I'm just starting a flower, too. I don't understand the how or why, just that it seems to work for others, so maybe it will for me.
What size is it, is it on canvas?
Ella

armada_setyadi
01-01-2013, 10:07 PM
:) Looking really good.I wish i understood the technique,how did you start and get it to "click".
Thank you Trumper, sorry, what do you mean about getting it to click? English is my foreign language.. :confused:

armada_setyadi
01-01-2013, 10:17 PM
Very nice. Thanks for sharing. I'm just starting a flower, too. I don't understand the how or why, just that it seems to work for others, so maybe it will for me.
What size is it, is it on canvas?
Ella

Thank you Ella. At first, I don't understand this layer technique. I watch a lot of videos, especially from Alexei and youtube. I read a lot of books about old master technique too, but still I can't find the most appropriate way for me. If you notice, I paint the grisaille layer a bit transparently, I don't know whether this is correct or not and I don't care, but it works! Well at least for me. :thumbsup:
Yes, I paint on canvas, the size is just 10"x7.5". I plan to put it on top of my sister's piano. :music:

crafor
01-01-2013, 10:48 PM
I think what Trumper means by "getting it to click" means how did you "make this work", "come together", begin to be "more real" rather than a painting.

I feel so often like I don't know what I'm doing. Probably because I don't!:)
Ella

Andrewcody
01-01-2013, 11:06 PM
These look like Billy Goat Stinkers, nice work
Nice drawing, lovely under-painting - ok add the colour.
I am not sure why you have decided to paint a purple and white flower, but hey each to their own, lets see the colours.
Regards
Andrew

armada_setyadi
01-01-2013, 11:35 PM
I think what Trumper means by "getting it to click" means how did you "make this work", "come together", begin to be "more real" rather than a painting.

I feel so often like I don't know what I'm doing. Probably because I don't!:)
Ella

:) Looking really good.I wish i understood the technique,how did you start and get it to "click".

Oh, I see.. Well..
For me, the main goal of umber layer and the grisaille layer is to build solid (and for me, very very detail) value tone. I tend to be very precise when building them (I guess it because I'm perfectionist).

There are a lot of people wonder, why I paint the flower with brown paint first then add black and white mixtures on it? For me, the umber layer is the easier version of grisaille technique. It's because we play with transparency in this layer (I'm good at playing with transparency, before decided to paint with oil, I've made a lot of portrait paintings with charcoal and dry brush - it's the transparency that makes the 3D effect, isn't it?)

And about the grisaille layer:
Some people tend to paint the grisaille mixture opaquely and thickly. There is nothing wrong with it, but what is the previous layer - the umber layer, for? So then I decided to apply the grisaille mixtures a bit transparently instead of opaquely. For me, the main goal of this layer is to whiten the light areas and darken the shadow areas of the painting.

For the realistic looking:
The key is to paint very thinly so it's translucent. Just like Bill Martin does with his medium. I don't use my medium mixture to dilute paints, I use my medium mixtures to lubricate my brushes.

Hope this help!! If anyone has further questions, do not hesitate to ask me. I'll answer any question as far as I can. Just excuse my english. :D :wink2:

armada_setyadi
01-01-2013, 11:46 PM
Oh yes, two more things:

The use imprimatura layer for me is to help my eyes see which areas aren't painted with white paint yet, especially when doing the grisaille layer.

And I use apply then correct / blend technique when painting. I use to apply the paint roughly and a bit pointillist-ly :confused: on canvas, then correct / blend it immediately with different dry brush (after using the brush I always wipe the brush with cloth / tissue)

armada_setyadi
01-01-2013, 11:57 PM
These look like Billy Goat Stinkers, nice work
Nice drawing, lovely under-painting - ok add the colour.
I am not sure why you have decided to paint a purple and white flower, but hey each to their own, lets see the colours.
Regards
Andrew

Thank you Andrew... ^^
Right now I'm adding the details of the leaves first before adding colors.

Well, for the flower, we all know that we can only have 1 flower color for 1 plant. Few years ago, there was a scientist from my country. He/she has tried to graft red flower plant with white flower trunk. Well, it worked, only for a month. After that, the trunk was rotten. I imagine it's like romeo and juliet, the forbidden love. :-p

Andrewcody
01-02-2013, 12:28 AM
Ah the tragical tale of two star crossed lovers.
Ultimately though their deaths reconciled their two feuding families
So many lives were spared, after some had been lost because of two self centered teenagers.
Good luck with the work

Regards
Andrew

armada_setyadi
01-02-2013, 12:32 AM
Ah the tragical tale of two star crossed lovers.
Ultimately though their deaths reconciled their two feuding families
So many lives were spared, after some had been lost because of two self centered teenagers.
Good luck with the work

Regards
Andrew

I like the movie so much.. It seems that I want to watch the movie again someday. Thank you for the support Andrew. ^^

Andrewcody
01-02-2013, 12:48 AM
Which movie? The Leonardo Di Caprio version or the Franco Zefferelli version - or one of the many others? There is another due for release in 2013.

armada_setyadi
01-02-2013, 01:08 AM
Which movie? The Leonardo Di Caprio version or the Franco Zefferelli version - or one of the many others? There is another due for release in 2013.

I've watched The Leonardo Di Caprio version and I like it. It's very tragic, romantic, woah.. Watching it is a must. :thumbsup:

armada_setyadi
01-02-2013, 02:07 AM
Adding the details for the leaves.. :D
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jan-2013/1159664-15_copy.jpg

Trumper
01-02-2013, 01:16 PM
:) That is superb,and also that was what i meant by "click" :thumbsup:

armada_setyadi
01-02-2013, 01:36 PM
Thank you Trumper, I hope I can put the painting under the sun tomorrow and add the color layers soon. It's raining here, almost everyday. :)

armada_setyadi
01-03-2013, 09:55 AM
Still a bit tacky, but I'm way too curious about how my painting looks like after I glaze it with colors. So... Yeah, I did some tests today. It turns out well, I think. But the problem here is that I think I paint a bit too dark for the previous layers. Since it's my FIRST oil painting I've ever done in my WHOLE life and using a bit advance technique, it's ok for me. Next time I will be more careful about painting the dark areas. :wink2:
So, here it is:
P.S. It's more pink in the middle of the right flower than it seems.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jan-2013/1159664-18xcvcxv.jpg
I'll wait couple more days and see whether it's dry enough to continue.

armada_setyadi
01-03-2013, 10:39 AM
Is someone here know where I can find references about color characteristic? I mean, like this:
Titanium white => opaque
Ivory Black => transparent
etc.
I need it for the glazing process.. Thanks.

crafor
01-03-2013, 10:56 AM
Dick Blick has useful information in their online catalogue. Click on the number to the extreme left of the color for "pigment information".
You can also google for the information.
Gamblin has a lot of information about white at
http://www.gamblincolors.com/artists.grade.oils/whites/index.html
and
http://www.gamblincolors.com/newsletters/getting-the-white-right.html
Ella

armada_setyadi
01-03-2013, 11:36 AM
OMG that was a quick reply Ella.. Thank you for the links above.. Yipee!! :thumbsup: :clap:

Octopus Inc.
01-15-2013, 08:18 PM
Nice work, I'm liking this

armada_setyadi
01-22-2013, 05:43 AM
Finally, I'm back painting, I was very busy preparing my college concert. (I was the composer :evil:). That was my concert before the final one in May. Hopefully I can finish my music study in August!! :envy:

OK, here is my next progression, the color layer:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2013/1159664-22_copy.jpg

mewbie
01-24-2013, 08:17 AM
you have a skillful grisaille and glazing technique there, Armada.. :thumbsup:
cant wait for the finished product ..

armada_setyadi
01-24-2013, 01:13 PM
Mewbie. I've finished the painting today.. But unfortunately, I can't scan the painting. It's too wet, will have to wait several days. ^^

armada_setyadi
01-25-2013, 04:57 PM
My FIRST layered approach oil painting product has been finished. Going to wait few more weeks until I can sign it. ^^

Check out the video version on youtube, it's a slideshow about my painting progress, but at least you can listen to my musical composition I wrote for this painting, feel free to give me any feedback about the painting as well as my classical music composition on youtube.

http://youtu.be/-DqU63MLMqI

I'm going to move this painting to open critique forum. Yayy!!! :clap:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Jan-2013/1159664-25b_small.jpg

tamarqu
02-01-2013, 06:45 AM
Gorgeous, love it how it is.

armada_setyadi
02-09-2013, 09:13 AM
Thank you Tamarqu.. :cat:

Finally I signed it yesterday... ^^

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Feb-2013/1159664-26_copy.jpg