View Full Version : Need advice on Flower

11-20-2012, 06:09 PM
Ok here is the picture...


How should I approach this?...Lay down light colors first then blend in darker? Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated. :wave: I plan on using Erengis and Mygunos on a gesso'd michael's artboard.

11-20-2012, 10:28 PM
I hope you're using a square format. Round objects look great when painting into a square. I like to use colored pencils to do my sketch onto the board. Then I'd suggest a watercolor underpainting. After that, I usually lay in the darker colors keeping them within their abstract shadow shapes. Medium values go down next and lights are last. After a few layers, I use some blending...then more highlights or deepen the darks.

Probably more than you wanted t know!! I don't know how to give a short answer :)

11-21-2012, 12:13 AM
Not sure if this will help answer your question, but the link below (if I did it right) is my WIP of a rose on a square ground. I approach my work a bit differently than Carly, as I work a small area to completion without any underpainting.


I hope this helps.

11-21-2012, 12:52 AM
Carly, it's 8x10 square board if that is what you mean. I sketched in the outline of the petals. Thank you for the explanation of your technique. It will help greatly. You can never say too much in teaching us apprentices how to work with the media. :thumbsup:

Russel...showoff...:lol: Wow...awesome work. Yes your style is different, but it is worth studying your technique. Even tho you work in sections, how do you apply the colors?...I will look closer at the thread later.
1 Co 2:2

Color Suggestions?

Need help with he dark areas...Dark Purple and a little black?

The out petals have purple in the texture so that will be challenge to paint. Otherwise, white, pink, light reds.

Im working with erengis and mungyos.

Pat Isaac
11-21-2012, 02:49 PM
I usually start woth the middle value of local color and then add the lights and darks. Here is another rose in progress by Sammy.
I tend never to use black, and a great color for those darks is Senn #8. It is a deep burgundy color. There may be a comparable color in your sets. Think dark red wine.


11-21-2012, 03:45 PM
I think God created roses for us Oil Pastel artists...

11-21-2012, 08:19 PM
Russ, thanks for sharing that link. Your painting is inspiring!

I seldom use a black in my paintings. I like to mix my darkest colors to achieve the dark value with a bent toward the local color.

11-21-2012, 08:45 PM
A very ambitious project!
I find it difficult to put lights over darks with o.p. if I don't use a sanded surface, and a underpainting helps too. I agree with Carly's suggestion to make it square (e.g.8x8).

11-24-2012, 02:21 PM
I got watercolor pencils and I will use those as a underpainting...lets see how this goes

11-24-2012, 06:13 PM
Ok...here is my underpainting...is this what you are talking about Carly and SunDiver?


11-25-2012, 07:42 PM
This is looking great! Add some blue color into the deeper purple and it will cool down and recede even more. Watch the tendency to have a lot of background around the rose...will have a floating feel.


11-26-2012, 12:34 AM
Watercolor pencil and gesso'd board...gives really good texture...i bought some clear gesso....once i get done with the under painting shall i put a layer of clear gesso over it? What kind of background should I have...I thought about have a cool analogous darker color?

11-26-2012, 08:46 PM
Carly, I started over and this time I zoomed in on the flower so it would fill all the work area...using an 8x10 board would have empty space on each side of the flower to deal with so I eliminated that and going to really focus on the center of it...think it would look better that way

Pat Isaac
11-27-2012, 08:37 AM
Good idea...I oftem try to eliminate a lot of the backround area.


11-27-2012, 09:35 AM
This is going to be a beautiful rose when you are finished. I like Carly's suggestions for additional cool colors to give the flower depth.

Depending on how much tooth you used up with the underpainting, I usually apply a final coat of clear gesso to build additional tooth before adding OPs.

Looking forward to seeing your final painting.

11-27-2012, 11:46 AM
That is what I was thinking too...about the clear gesso

11-27-2012, 10:53 PM
You could put the clear gesso over the watercolor underpainting for more tooth....or just paint directly over the watercolor with the oilies. That's personal choice.

Background...I'd choose a cool neutral tone so it recedes more into the background.

Post another pic!!

11-28-2012, 04:59 PM
I started over..I zoomed into the rose so it covers the whole board. Looks so good I don't think I want to put OP on it....:lol::D


Pat Isaac
11-28-2012, 05:00 PM
That is so much better, composition wise...


11-28-2012, 05:13 PM
I wished I had the patience and mental clarity to do this years ago...it would be easier and so much better, trying to learn to ride a bike and play all the instruments for a one man band who rides a bike can be really frustrating

Pat Isaac
11-28-2012, 05:22 PM
I always say---it is never too late to learn...


11-28-2012, 07:15 PM
Now it has more of an "O'Keefe" look to it. When you start with the oilies, it will go quickly! and I love to learn new things too!

11-29-2012, 04:41 PM
Here is the finalize underpainting...put a couple of clear gesso coats on it...the out petals I kinda rushed on but there was really no definition to them


Pat Isaac
11-29-2012, 04:47 PM
What a wonderful underpainting, will make the final painting so much easier...looking forward to seeing it.


11-29-2012, 07:48 PM
To be honest I'm afraid to touch it. Everybody says don't do anything to it. Using watercolor pencil on gesso was by chance and it turned out really good. those pencils are over 15 years...got them from my mom in 1996 and she had them for a while.

My fear is that I would try to to 'reinvent the wheel' while applying OP in them.

Everyone thank you for your feedback.

11-29-2012, 10:56 PM
OK...so why not do another small sketch, then cover with the clear gesso...then do oil pastels over that to see how it looks. Sounds like more work but you've already found that the 'prepainting' stage is well worth the effort.

Keep painting! and have fun! :)

12-28-2012, 01:34 PM
Ok I've waited to continue this until I got the good stuff. Now that I have I have begun with neopastels. They are so much better than erengis. Since I have a good under painting I'm using very little application thus far of OP. I'm pretty happy with it myselfhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Dec-2012/1103662-image.jpg

Pat Isaac
12-28-2012, 01:40 PM
This is looking good and the neos are wonderful.


12-28-2012, 02:08 PM
Looking great! I find that Im using the Erengis less and less and going to the Mungyos and few Senneliers I have more often. I think Ill reserve the Erengis for large areas of colors in the first layers. The Erengis are not bad. I actually love their colors but there is something about creaminess of the other two that is so much more appealing. Actually the Senns are too soft for my taste.

Do you find the Neos similar to the Mungyos?

12-28-2012, 06:37 PM
Erengis are great for the first layer. Hal uses them for his underpainting. I hope he comes back to the forum. I am fortunate to have the money to purchase these items so please forgive me if I am bragging too much. I haven't tried the Senns yet. Neos to me are in between Erengis and Mungyos. Right now I am with my dad away from my studio so I can't verify that.

12-28-2012, 09:11 PM
Lovely so far!

Personally. . . Neopastels are my favorite. Then Holbein, then Senneliers (some of them), then Mungyo & Erengi, then Specialists. The Senn are mostly too soft for me but they do have some neat colors and properties. The transparency of some Senns have to be considered as well. I use Portfolio or Pentel for sketching but not for anything I want to keep/frame.

01-23-2013, 12:47 PM
Been doing more work on this...been doing this 'the russ' way...a section at a time. The technique is pretty different than the pumpkins...instead of expressionistic painterly, I'm dabbing a little at a time and a lot of blending. Carly doing a under painting helps put things in perspective. this one I am not finally beating myself up constantly...that's a good thing. Mizimar...sorry...feeling jealous...had to get into a little 'lavender' action too


this is a great little exercise for blending...using color shapers and and applying the right amount of pressure not to over blend is a good learning curve

Here is the one I'm drawing in Colored pencil.


01-23-2013, 01:46 PM
Both are looking great Der! Keep going!

Pat Isaac
01-23-2013, 03:53 PM
I agree...they are both looking just great.