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sashntash
11-07-2012, 11:15 AM
I have wanted to replenish my supply of various colors for the last 4 - 6 weeks, but dickblick.com has been out of stock of many colors. Most of the ones that I wanted that were out of stock said they would be back in stock on Nov 9th. Today I checked again and they are now saying they will be back in stock in DECEMBER !!!

Cheap Joes and Jerrys are also out of stock of several colors. Not as many as dickblick.com, but still out of some...

What is going on with Winsor & Newton? I can't get a straight answer from Blick's customer service. I just posted in their forum here at WC to see if they can get me an honest answer.

Does anyone know what's going on? Are they having production problems? Is the demand simply higher than they can keep up with? Has W&N been sold again?

I am beyond frustrated....... yes... I also use Daniel Smith, Maimeri and M. Graham, but there are certain W&N colors that I particularly like.

To not be able to order them for over 2 months is beyond frustrating....

wandrson
11-07-2012, 11:31 AM
I was wondering the same thing, fortunately for me most of my pallete consists of pigment I can get from other manufacturers, though I do prefer the W&N 37ml tubes when I can get them!

sashntash
11-07-2012, 11:45 AM
I have:

1) emailed dickblick.com's customer service.. again.
2) posted in the Dick Blick forum here on Wet Canvas
3) posted in this forum
4) emailed Winsor & Newton's USA website

Hopefully, someone will come up with a reasonable answer..... :angel:

indianagreg
11-07-2012, 12:05 PM
I suspect that the sale on WN by one (50% off), prompted sale by the others and also increased demand to the point that supplies of many colors were exhausted.

What colors/sizes are you looking for?

M.L. Schaefer
11-07-2012, 01:02 PM
Yep, Greg is right...all the big online stores have had blow-out sales, most of which have now ended :crying: . Now, for Christmas, they are offering boxes and sets...very expensive and without color choices, just the typical.

You may want to try eBay...although, with Winsor Newton brand, I would step carefully, not because of the brand but because it is the most pirated brand and you may not get the real thing. If you decide to go that way, get the 5 ml. to keep you in paint until another sale comes up.

Kiwi

indianagreg
11-07-2012, 01:13 PM
Depending on how much one is ordering, buying from Bromley (http://www.artsupplies.co.uk/cat-winsor-&-newton-artists-watercolour-paint.htm) or JacksonArt (http://www.jacksonsart.com/Brands-A-Z_All_Brands-Winsor_&_Newton-Winsor_&_Newton_Artists%27_Water_Colour/c2200_1044_1196_26942/index.html) can be a good deal. At times I've ordered from them because even with overseas shipping it was cheaper (that and I wanted whole pan WN). Remember, they deduct the VAT from your purchase.

Or try Merriartist.com (http://www.merriartist.com/Winsor_Newton_Artists_Water_Colours_s/61.htm). I ordered once from them and I see they have 50% off, too.

Good luck!

Greg

Mayberry
11-07-2012, 01:40 PM
I've been wondering if W&N is clearing out their stock in preparation for something new - new labeling? new formulation? or just getting rid of aging stock?

Mayberry
11-07-2012, 01:45 PM
I think the 50% off sale is W&N's doing, not Dick Blick or any other store. W&N dropped the price to clear out their stock, and the stores reflect that price drop.

sashntash
11-07-2012, 03:57 PM
Thanks everyone !!

One interesting note - the "big sales" at cheapjoes.com, jerrysartarma.com and aswexpress.com on W&N's Artists Watercolors....

merely bring them down to Blick's every day regular price !!! lol

That's why I buy most of my art supplies at dickblick.com

and... the sales at joes, jerrys and asw are still going on.....

each is out of a few colors, but blick is out of far more than the other websites.

I was fine with waiting 4 weeks until November 9th for them to be re-stocked. I'm not fine with that date suddenly being changed this morning to December... sigh

Anyway... I have paint in my palette... I was just replenishing so that I would have a back up tube of each color that I use...

It's just frustrating to want to purchase something and not be able to purchase it for 2 months or more.

It's not like Winsor & Newton watercolors are some rare unknown brand and difficult to find..... I mean .. really... it's probably the biggest selling brand of watercolors in the world.... and a company that has been in business for 175 years.

Anyway.... rant over.... :) they'll show up eventually. It just would be nice to get an honest answer as to what is going on....

steveoreno
11-07-2012, 05:44 PM
Art students are back and the big sale adds to the demand from colleges.

virgil carter
11-07-2012, 06:55 PM
I don't know if this has any bearing, but Peter Ward recently posted that W&N was bought by a German paint company. I don't know if the paint shortages are simply part of the normal supply chain at this time of year or have to do with the change in ownership.

Sling paint!
Virgil

M.L. Schaefer
11-07-2012, 08:11 PM
Wasn't W&N sold to a Swedish company quite a while ago? Resold? or am I incorrect on this....

Kiwi

sashntash
11-07-2012, 08:29 PM
W & N has been owned by the Swedish? company ColArt for the last several (?) years. According to Peter's post, they have now been sold to a German company.

I just received an email message from Andrea at dickblick.com. She has a call in to Winsor & Newton and will give me an answer as soon as she hears back from them.......

I counted..... dickblick.com is out of 51 "items" in the W&N Artists Watercolour line.

By item, I mean a particular color in a particular size tube. So if they are out of Quin Gold in 5 ml and 14 ml and 37 ml tubes, I counted that as being out of stock on 3 items.

They are out of 51 items at the moment....

Tred
11-07-2012, 08:55 PM
With each take over they should be made to change the company name because it certainly isn't Winsor and Newton any more. The brand has deteriorated into a non entity. Several tubes I have purchased recently have been sub standard particularly their burnt umber, cobalt violet and viridian and their flagship sable, which used to be the industry standard, is now an also ran - well behind Escoda.
This is bad for the Brits. Loosing the Empire was bad enough but to loose W&N - disaster!
Cheers
Tred

sashntash
11-07-2012, 09:02 PM
Tred - I totally agree.

It's almost impossible to find a brand anywhere anymore that is what it says it is.... Companies are bought and sold like houses on a Monopoly board. They keep the same name, but they aren't the same company.

As a woman of English ancestry, I feel your pain..... :-)

I must say, however, that I have not had any problems with the W&N watercolors that I have bought in the last several years......

Rustem
11-07-2012, 09:40 PM
Not to add fuel to the fire but have you looked at the W&N tubes you've been getting recently? They say "Made in France".

Anyway, I looked at Dick Blick, and ASW/Jerry's and the are both low - Cheap Joe's appears to be well stocked. I occasionally buy full pans of W&N from Ken Bromelys or Jacksons (both in the UK) and they are well stocked with W&N tubes but both are out of 14mil Viridian, as is every one else, go figure.

Making paint is not rocket science and if the formulas stay the same there should be little difference in the end product. Maybe the plant in France has had some productions issues but the UK seems to be well supplied so I figure the back-orders here in the US should be resolved soon.

Rusty

RuiFromUK
11-08-2012, 02:38 AM
According to my local art materials supplier W&N watercolours are now made in France and not UK.

Few months ago I also had a bit of a problem here in UK to obtain Burnt Sienna in a hurry and out of all the London stores that were open on Saturday I only managed to obtain 2 little tubes of that watercolour.

Nowadays to avoid any surprises I keep at home pigment powder and watercolour medium of all the earth colours.

Irishman
11-08-2012, 03:27 AM
Earlier this year or late last year,as we discussed the difference between Warm Sepia and Sepia here on the forum, I wrote to W&N to see if they had any old tubes of Warm Sepia left and the reply was that everything had just been packed up for moving to France.

Irishman
11-08-2012, 03:31 AM
Have just checked and Jacksons in the UK are fully stocked with W&N 14ml

pumkin54
11-08-2012, 03:43 AM
You could always try eBay. I've bought paint there several times and never had any problems. The price on Winsor Newton tubes will probably end up costing you a few bucks more than ordering from Dick Blick. But if you were only planning to order 3 or 4 tubes from Dick Blick and then tacked on the 8.95 S/H, it works out to nearly the same price.

Or even Amazon. They sometimes have some steals pop up.

sashntash
11-08-2012, 06:18 AM
pumkin - I have read that most of the paint tubes sold on ebay (the ones that say they are new and unopened) are stolen goods, so I will stay away from those.....

pumkin54
11-08-2012, 06:52 AM
That's a possibility I never thought of actually. But I know that even a number of Wet Canvas members sell art supplies on eBay. I remember reading a couple threads about it over the years. People try stuff and don't like it, bought supplies for a class that they ended up dropping, bought something they never got around to using, or even took advantage of closeout sales at their local B&M and unloaded it on eBay.

I do a lot of shopping on eBay for everything from books to makeup to clothes to art supplies. Now you make me pause, because I suppose there's a chance that some of it has been stolen. But I guess the same can be said of things you buy at a garage sale, outlet stores, or those street markets that I can't for the life of me remember what they're called right now.

sashntash
11-08-2012, 07:02 AM
Absolutely !!

I love ebay... don't get me wrong.. and I do believe that some of the paint tubes sold on ebay are legit.... as you say... people who buy a color and then don't like it or buy supplies for a workshop and then decide it's not for them.

But.. I have also read... and it may have been here on Wet Canvas.... that SOME of the paint tubes sold on ebay are stolen. Retailers have a problem with shoplifters... as we all know.... and paint tubes are easy to slip in to the shoplifters pocket or purse..... to be re-sold on ebay.

There is no way, of course, to know which are legit and which were stolen... sad.. but true...

I have always wondered about the people who ALWAYS have W&N paint tubes for sale on ebay. Where do they get their supply that they can sell them so inexpensively?????

CharM
11-08-2012, 07:46 AM
In my area, Winsor & Newton paints have been over priced when compared to other artist grade manufacturers. They would never be my first choice because there isn't enough difference in quality to justify this pricing.

So... if, indeed, W&N is indeed changing, I guess that brand loyalty wouldn't be an issue anymore.

JPQ
11-08-2012, 07:54 AM
I hope if formula or anything changes i can get one hue what i really want becouse another brands what i can dont have it i think. one PV19 variation if remember correctly. its darker version on it (one quinacridone hue what i dont found other brands at least yet) and brands what i talk are Daler&Rowney and Schmincke. later i prefer more becouse i bet Daler&Rowney Artist series i need special order get them pans.

Brindle
11-08-2012, 09:41 AM
In my area, Winsor & Newton paints have been over priced when compared to other artist grade manufacturers. They would never be my first choice because there isn't enough difference in quality to justify this pricing.

I feel this way about W&N and some other brands, as well. That said, though, once you find a color you can't live without that is only available in that brand, sometimes you make concessions. I'm that way about Daniel Smith paints. There are a few colors they offer that you just can't get anywhere else nor mix perfect substitutes for. So even though their paint is expensive compared to some other brands I buy, I still buy those colors. Quin Gold (PO49) is one such...I am a little bit in "doomsday prep" mode re that pigment--gotta stock up before they run out of the pigment and I can't get it anymore, haha!

I have always wondered about the people who ALWAYS have W&N paint tubes for sale on ebay. Where do they get their supply that they can sell them so inexpensively?????

Nothing stops them from applying for a wholesale account from W&N (or whoever distributes that brand wholesale), just like any other retail establishment. With costs of selling online so low compared to brick and mortar stores, those sellers may simply choose to be satisfied with a very low profit margin and set their prices accordingly.

zook
11-08-2012, 12:52 PM
sashntash

merely bring them down to Blick's every day regular price !!! lol


Agreed, I love Dick Blick. They have the best prices, but sadly now that we have one in Seattle I can't order online without paying tax. It is nice to visit the store and I can use my Blick 10% off card to offset the tax, but the store doesn't carry the complete stock they do online AND instore prices are sometimes higher.

I've switched my loyalty to Jerrys. But I miss Blick :(

Terri

sashntash
11-08-2012, 12:53 PM
I just received a very nice reply to my email from Winsor & Newton USA.

Here it is:

"I am sorry that I have been tardy in replying to your e-mail but we are located in New Jersey and our power has been intermittent over the past couple of days.

Thank you for contacting Winsor & Newton Technical Support regarding the availability of our products.

I am sorry that you are having this problem...........believe me we want you to purchase our paint! I am not making excuses but this is what has happened.

The company has only been sold twice, to my knowledge, in the past 180 years. First from the families of the founders at the turn of the 20th century and then to the current owners, Colart, about 20 years ago.

The original factory was located in the north of London and is where our products were manufactured for over a century. When we opened the factory it was on the outskirts of a town called Harrow. Over time the town expanded and is now a suburb of London. Homes were built around our factory and we no longer had room for expansion. Our business had become larger and we had trouble keeping up with demand.

The company made the decision to open a new plant at LeMans in France where we would have room for future expansion. During the year that the move took place our production dropped and we are still recovering.

Hopefully in a short time there will not be any backordered product. In the meantime I can only apologise for the inconvenience it has caused you.

We appreciate you loyalty to our products. If we can be of any assistance in the future, please don't hesitate to contact us."
--------------------------------------------


I appreciate their response and I shall now be patient ........

sashntash
11-08-2012, 12:59 PM
sashntash



Agreed, I love Dick Blick. They have the best prices, but sadly now that we have one in Seattle I can't order online without paying tax. It is nice to visit the store and I can use my Blick 10% off card to offset the tax, but the store doesn't carry the complete stock they do online AND instore prices are sometimes higher.

I've switched my loyalty to Jerrys. But I miss Blick :(

Terri




Terri - I'll trade you !!!!!

We have a local brick and mortar Jerry's... and while I am grateful to have a real art supply store at all..... I would dearly love to have a Blick store instead. I am a loyal Blick-ite !!! Huge selection, the best prices and terrific customer service. I'm hooked :D

zook
11-08-2012, 01:03 PM
True Susan! I've been to a Jerrys in TX and Blick is a much nicer store, at least our Seattle store, maybe because it's new. I have to make a 40 mile drive to get there, but it's nice to have. I can also visit Daniel Smith in Seattle which is fun, but their prices are high. Even so I like to support the local economy. :)

Terri

CharM
11-08-2012, 02:38 PM
Doesn't it restore your faith when you receive such a positive response? Well done Winsor & Newton... :clap:

sashntash
11-08-2012, 02:55 PM
Yes it does Char.. yes it does.

I did a little research.... it appears that they moved out of the old plant at the end of last year or the beginning of this year...

I now know why supplies are less than optimal and I can now wait until dickblick.com gets re-stocked.

I just hate not knowing what is going on... it gets very frustrating.

Now that I know, I am content to wait :-)

It's also reassuring to know that W&N has not been sold.....

virgil carter
11-08-2012, 04:27 PM
Hmm, I wonder about W&N's response in light of Peter Ward's report that W&N was sold from a Swedish company to a German company.

Who's on first?

sling paint!
Virgil

sashntash
11-08-2012, 04:49 PM
Virgil - I found this at the Winsor & Newton main website... lol

"New ownership
By the 1970’s there was much turmoil in British manufacturing industry. Winsor & Newton were fortunate to be approached by Reckitt & Colman who had recently bought the firms of Reeves and Dryad. The sale was agreed and slowly but surely the company enjoyed a new era of modernisation which maintained the absolute quality of the product whilst bringing the operations and commercial sides of the business up to date.

In 1990, Reckitt & Colman moved away from ‘leisure’ activities and the private ownership of Winsor & Newton passed to A. B. Wilhelm Becker with an artists’ materials division which now includes Contè, Lefranc & Bourgeois and Liquitex."

The "artists' materials division" they refer to is ColArt.. which.. according to ColArt's website includes the brands Winsor & Newton, Conte, Lefranc & Bourgeois, Liquitex and Reeves.

So.. the purchase 20 years ago was by A.B. Wilhelm Becker... and... I found another snippet from Googling that said that as of 2002, ColArt operates as a subsidiary of AB Wilhelm Becker.

and then there is this... at the ColArt corporate website :D

"The main shareholder of ColArt is the privately owned Linden Group in Sweden, which also owns the Beckers Industrial Coatings, a business which specialises in the manufacture and distribution of surface coatings. Beckers itself has had an involvement in artists’ materials dating back to 1873, but also has leading positions in other areas of paint manufacture, such as coil coatings. The combined ColArt and Becker Group turnover is around SEK 6 billion."

So.. there ya go.... there we have ColArt, Sweden, Becker and Germany.... all the same thing... lol

-------------------
soooooooo.... the long and the short of it is... Winsor & Newton hasn't been sold to anyone since 1990....


..

virgil carter
11-08-2012, 07:37 PM
Susan, thanks! Now I am sooo confused....

Sling paint (anyone's)!
Virgil

sashntash
11-08-2012, 07:50 PM
:D

Virgil... it's easy..

In the 1970s an entity called Reckitt & Colman bought Winsor & Newton.

In 1990, they sold it to a German company called A. B. Wilhelm Becker.

Winsor & Newton was part of their "artists materials division" which also included Conte, Lefranc & Bourgeois, Liquitex and Reeves.

In 2002, A.B. Wilhelm Becker made the former "artists materials division" a separate subsidiary called ColArt.

The major shareholder in ColArt and the Becker Group is the privately owned Linden Group in Sweden.

Clear as mud... lol

But.. the important point for us is..... it has been owned by the same people.... the Becker/ColArt Swedish/German group since 1990..... i.e. there has been no recent sale of Winsor & Newton.

AND........ they moved the manufacturing facility for Winsor & Newton from London to LeMans France at the beginning of this year and they lost some production time and are still playing catch up and that's why dickblick.com is out of so many of the Winsor & Newton tubes - colors and sizes.

Which... of course... was my original question.... i.e. Why is dickblick.com out of so many of the Winsor & Newton tube watercolor paints?

Long answer to a short question.... :D

virgil carter
11-08-2012, 09:24 PM
Susan, whew! Now I've got it! Thanks for helping a slow-head!

Sling paint!
Virgil

Tred
11-08-2012, 10:14 PM
I like this bit from W&N "The company has only been sold twice, to my knowledge, in the past 180 years". Strange that the complaints started after 1990. Other players in the pigment game seem to be more consistant than W&N and I have never had a tube of paint that I consider to be sub standard from - Holbein, Rowney, Maimeri, Schinke, Sennelier and Daniel Smith.
My complaint was with three colours and only one of them was a 37 mil tube so I will still buy W&N as the retail price is discounted by 50%, at certain times of the year, from my UK suppliers.
However I did make the mistake recently of buying a couple of Art Spectrum tubes. Not an excercise I plan to repeat.
Cheers
Tred

JPQ
11-09-2012, 07:24 AM
I like this bit from W&N "The company has only been sold twice, to my knowledge, in the past 180 years". Strange that the complaints started after 1990. Other players in the pigment game seem to be more consistant than W&N and I have never had a tube of paint that I consider to be sub standard from - Holbein, Rowney, Maimeri, Schinke, Sennelier and Daniel Smith.
My complaint was with three colours and only one of them was a 37 mil tube so I will still buy W&N as the retail price is discounted by 50%, at certain times of the year, from my UK suppliers.
However I did make the mistake recently of buying a couple of Art Spectrum tubes. Not an excercise I plan to repeat.
Cheers
Tred

I have somewhere i still cobalt green dark form schmincke in 5ml tube which is stuck dont work very well. but i bet all art supply manfacturers have bad tubes etc sometimes. but how often and how they react when they hear this.

sashntash
11-09-2012, 09:42 AM
In the past 4 years... since I switched from acrylics to watercolors.... I have bought a lot of W&N, a lot of Maimeri and... in the last several months, I have added a lot of Daniel Smith.

Of those, I have had a 3 or 4 bad tubes from W&N, 1 from Maimeri and 1 from Daniel Smith.

JPQ - I agree... I think every manufacturer of paints has a few bad tubes come off the production line....

By a "bad tube" I mean that the paint was not mixed completely and the top third of the tube seemed to be a liquidy sloppy mess....

Improv
11-09-2012, 01:42 PM
In the past 4 years... since I switched from acrylics to watercolors.... I have bought a lot of W&N, a lot of Maimeri and... in the last several months, I have added a lot of Daniel Smith.

Of those, I have had a 3 or 4 bad tubes from W&N, 1 from Maimeri and 1 from Daniel Smith.

JPQ - I agree... I think every manufacturer of paints has a few bad tubes come off the production line....


The manufacturers make the paint in such huge quantities that there are bound to be a few bad tubes. Sometimes they have been sitting on the retailer's shelf for a long time or in a warehouse.

I bought some Michael Harding Oil paint, which is wonderful-except for one thing: The caps are notorious for splitting and cracking. I emailed MH, and they are sending me new replacement caps. Seems they got a batch of bad caps. Stuff happens! :rolleyes:

By a "bad tube" I mean that the paint was not mixed completely and the top third of the tube seemed to be a liquidy sloppy mess....

Sometimes all you need to do is massage the tube to get the ingredients mixed again after standing for a long time (The paint, not you! :) )

Cheers

Doug

sashntash
11-09-2012, 01:53 PM
lol.... I'll try that next time....

JPQ
11-09-2012, 06:14 PM
In the past 4 years... since I switched from acrylics to watercolors.... I have bought a lot of W&N, a lot of Maimeri and... in the last several months, I have added a lot of Daniel Smith.

Of those, I have had a 3 or 4 bad tubes from W&N, 1 from Maimeri and 1 from Daniel Smith.

JPQ - I agree... I think every manufacturer of paints has a few bad tubes come off the production line....

By a "bad tube" I mean that the paint was not mixed completely and the top third of the tube seemed to be a liquidy sloppy mess....

I also mean something like it. and i dont yet have other bad things than Schmincke akademie prussian blue which seems almost no pigment kind. feel is this. only prolematic art supplies what i owned.

Tred
11-09-2012, 08:43 PM
I would not consider a tube of paint where the liquid has moved to the top to be a defective tube. As Doug says all you have to do is massage the tube to mix the paint. Badly formulated pigment in three tubes is my whinge about W&N.
Cheers
Tred

sashntash
11-09-2012, 08:48 PM
Tred - I had not tried massaging the tube. I will try that next time.

What do you mean by "badly formulated pigment?" I can't wrap my mind around that.....

not the color it's supposed to be? or something else that I'm not considering?

I learn something new on WetCanvas every day !!!! And that's why I'm here.... to get educated.

Improv
11-09-2012, 10:27 PM
I would not consider a tube of paint where the liquid has moved to the top to be a defective tube. As Doug says all you have to do is massage the tube to mix the paint.
Cheers
Tred

In fact, I would be a bit suspicious of a tube of paint that was always evenly distributed because it would mean they have added things besides pigment and oil. Even Old Holland, Bloxx, Michael Harding, etc have paint and oil separating. Just massage the paint-that's all it takes.:thumbsup:

Cheers

Doug

Improv
11-09-2012, 10:32 PM
What do you mean by "badly formulated pigment?" I can't wrap my mind around that.....

not the color it's supposed to be? or something else that I'm not considering?



I think he meant a chemical formulae to get Lemon Yellow (for example) that wasn't quite right. It ends up looking 50% Lemon Yellow and 50% Naples Yellow. Or whatever. In other words, the colour isn't quite right.

Cheers

Doug

Tred
11-10-2012, 12:46 AM
You've got it Doug.
Many moons ago an artist friend told me never to restrict your palette to one brand - sort out the best of each. This I did - with the help of Mr Wilcox -and soon had all my colours sorted. I have always used W&N earth colours and my last Burnt Umber (PR101/PBr7) 37 mil tube behaved quite differently to all previous tubes - weak and sticky and before you ask - yes; it was well mixed!!.
Their Viridian (PG18) and Cobalt violet (PV14/PB28) I thought were below par but that is partly my fault as I needed the two colours and went for W&N instead of my usual Viridian from Talens and Cobalt Violet from Art Spectrum (the one and only Art Spectrum in my palette). I must admit that the colours in question are reknowned for being gummy and difficult to use but the W&N's were gummy and virtually impossible to use.
The Art Spectrum Cobalt Violet (PV14) is an anomoly as I have never had much success with their range. An art shop 10 minutes walk away stocks AS and over the years I have had to dash up for a specific colour I have run out of. The last one was cerulean blue and that has dried in the palette like a brick and is difficult to reconstitute.
Regardless I will still purchase W&N and should I get another dicey colour I will purchase that from another company - there is no point in cutting off my nose to spite my face because W&N have some great colours although I am relying more on Schmincke.
I am now waiting for Jacksons to have a W&N watecolour special which will probably be after W&N sort themselves out in France.
Cheers
Tred
!

Improv
11-10-2012, 02:14 AM
...although I am relying more on Schminke .

Last week I bought a nice set of Schminke full pans (12 colours).
Must say I'm impressed. They do indeed hold their own against industry standards like WN and others. The Schminkes require almost no water at all to get working.

Cheers

Doug

JPQ
11-10-2012, 02:58 AM
and i going test one Schmincke hue if is similar to one W&n hue i can maybe even remove slowly even more w&n stuff form my palette. i want buy my supplues form single place if possible. even after this colour i still have one earth form w&n what i like. but i dont know how long is available (is based Pbr7 which i feel count now rare stuff)... and seems i must use other brands for cobalt violets which i more rarely use. and if i want small half pan portable set. but to me i can use full pans even this kind sets if i want make this kind set. i know Schmincke have half pans but they are special order here. and one thing what i also hate is schmincke ultramarine violet based colour chart have now also cobalt blue.

juliet45
11-10-2012, 04:56 AM
I am now waiting for Jacksons to have a W&N watecolour special which will probably be after W&N sort themselves out in France.

!

Great Art have an offer on Windsor & Newton watercolours at the moment. And on Fabriano Artistico paper. I had not intended to buy more paper this year but the offer is so good I could not resist.

sashntash
11-10-2012, 07:06 AM
Thanks Tred and Improv for explaining the "badly formulated pigment" concept.

I really like the consistency of Maimeri watercolors.... they reconstitute beautifully.... but Maimeri does not have as many single pigment colors as I would like and they do not have the range of colors of W&N and Daniel Smith.

I have recently ordered my first tube of M.Graham paint and that should arrive on Tuesday. I'm eager to try it.

In a Jean Haines DVD that I was watching the other day, I noticed that she uses a lot of different brands and one that she particularly mentioned liking was Schmincke. I'll have to give those a try also.

sashntash
11-10-2012, 07:48 AM
Yikes.... Schmincke are expensive....

Improv
11-10-2012, 01:36 PM
Yikes.... Schmincke are expensive....

Where were you looking, Susan? When I got my Schminke full pan set a couple of weeks ago I seem to recall that it was withing $10 or so of the equivalent WN set.

Cheers

Doug

JPQ
11-10-2012, 03:52 PM
And i think Schmincke last longer.

Improv
11-10-2012, 04:37 PM
And i think Schmincke last longer.

Why do you think that is? Maybe they use more pigment than other paint companies? :confused:

Not that I have tried that many different paints, but....

Cheers

Doug

sashntash
11-11-2012, 08:08 AM
Where were you looking, Susan? When I got my Schminke full pan set a couple of weeks ago I seem to recall that it was withing $10 or so of the equivalent WN set.

Cheers

Doug

Doug - I was looking at dickblick.com (where I get all of my art supplies).

I use tubes, not pans.

I compared Cad Red and Cobalt Blue tubes:

W & N 14 ml tubes both colors are 13.35
Maimeri 15 ml both are 13.19
M. Graham 15 ml both are 13.19
Daniel Smith 15 ml Cobalt Blue is 13.44 (they don't make cads)
Schmincke 15 ml tubes Cad Red is 17.33 Cobalt is 20.34

a significant difference....

JPQ
11-11-2012, 11:01 AM
Why do you think that is? Maybe they use more pigment than other paint companies? :confused:

Not that I have tried that many different paints, but....

Cheers

Doug

Its only feeling which is realted reality or not i dont know.

Improv
11-11-2012, 04:33 PM
I see your point if it was tubes then. At least with the internet we can easily look around for possible sales and bargains.

Cheers

Doug

Doug - I was looking at dickblick.com (where I get all of my art supplies).

I use tubes, not pans.

I compared Cad Red and Cobalt Blue tubes:

W & N 14 ml tubes both colors are 13.35
Maimeri 15 ml both are 13.19
M. Graham 15 ml both are 13.19
Daniel Smith 15 ml Cobalt Blue is 13.44 (they don't make cads)
Schmincke 15 ml tubes Cad Red is 17.33 Cobalt is 20.34

a significant difference....