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KennethVloothuisart
09-23-2012, 10:14 PM
Two options:

A full tonal range painting using only temperature as the colors, you can have a discordant somewhere, but make sure you are showing me the handling of warm and cool.

OR, make a painting of water reflections...but make them move, and make sure there is design...the dilemma I talked about.

Good luck,

Ken

chalet_dor
09-24-2012, 03:40 AM
Thank you for posting this in a new thread!

CatherineOnTheLake
09-24-2012, 04:19 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2012/983267-CS_Paintings_Sept_2012_025_KV_Homework_Values_Week3.JPG

Hi Ken. I did this little wc pic before I saw your instructions on this thread. This is what I thought you meant on Saturday. Now that I've read your instructions I don't think it is what we were supposed to do! I guess I thought we were supposed to do value layering to show depth. I used only Ultramarine Blue and Burnt Sienna mixed for various values of grey. So do you think I achieved that, at least? If I did it over again based on your written instructions should I use these same two colours (the blue for cool, and the burnt sienna for warms)? Or should I choose yellow and blue?

Thank you Ken - the course was great. I told everyone I know about it. I hope you do more courses. I'm sorry I missed submitting homework for the first two weeks (my mother was hospitalized) - but I would still like to submit the homework even if it is late. Will you still review for me? THANK YOU!

pamshowcase
09-25-2012, 04:36 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Sep-2012/174457-P9250127.JPG
I used blue (not sure which) and Burnt Sienna WC 11 x 14. Tried to keep wet in wet and loose and remember all the commandments.
Pam

CatherineOnTheLake
09-25-2012, 05:46 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Sep-2012/174457-P9250127.JPG
I used blue (not sure which) and Burnt Sienna WC 11 x 14. Tried to keep wet in wet and loose and remember all the commandments.
Pam
Pam I think you did your homework the right way! Mine is NOT what he wanted! :) LOL Oh well. But I also want to say that I like your pic very much - especially the spirit of the animals - conveys freedom! It makes me smile... P.S. I'm an animal lover... Catherine

Ken Instructor
09-26-2012, 07:29 PM
I supposed you could use more warm and cool play.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2012/983267-CS_Paintings_Sept_2012_025_KV_Homework_Values_Week3.JPG

Hi Ken. I did this little wc pic before I saw your instructions on this thread. This is what I thought you meant on Saturday. Now that I've read your instructions I don't think it is what we were supposed to do! I guess I thought we were supposed to do value layering to show depth. I used only Ultramarine Blue and Burnt Sienna mixed for various values of grey. So do you think I achieved that, at least? If I did it over again based on your written instructions should I use these same two colours (the blue for cool, and the burnt sienna for warms)? Or should I choose yellow and blue?

Thank you Ken - the course was great. I told everyone I know about it. I hope you do more courses. I'm sorry I missed submitting homework for the first two weeks (my mother was hospitalized) - but I would still like to submit the homework even if it is late. Will you still review for me? THANK YOU!

Ken Instructor
09-26-2012, 07:31 PM
The painting does show warm and cool, but the values seem a bit too light or washed out. The land would not be that light, though you do show understanding through the value recession with the horses through the dust.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Sep-2012/174457-P9250127.JPG
I used blue (not sure which) and Burnt Sienna WC 11 x 14. Tried to keep wet in wet and loose and remember all the commandments.
Pam

chalet_dor
09-27-2012, 11:06 PM
Hi Ken,
8x10 WMOil on canvas paper
Burnt Sienna, Cobalt Blue, Titanium White

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2012/224962-dor_2_Copy.jpg
Smiles to you dor:))

"COLOR IS MY DAY-LONG OBSESSION, JOY, AND TORMENT." CLAUDE MONET

Sgourlayart
09-27-2012, 11:33 PM
Nice job, Dor! Stu

chalet_dor
09-28-2012, 12:11 AM
Hi Stu

You said nice job so I am assuming that this is what Ken wanted for the homework! Thanks for giving it the OK............smiles to you dor:))

susanc
09-28-2012, 11:57 AM
Hopefully you can tell I tried to do the water part of the assignment! I lost the reflections so many times, I decided this is probably as good as I was probably going to get. This was so much harder than I thought it would be!

Something I realized later--but too late to incorporate into this painting--was that your blur principle probably should apply to clouds as well?!! I copied a John Twachtman and my colors are too bright; they should be mellower overall.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2012/1697-twachtmanhomework.jpg

LadyMadonna
09-29-2012, 05:03 PM
Hi Ken ..I am offering this one for water movement and see how it flows ! Loved your webinar ! Anxious for to learn all about portraits too.

chalet_dor
09-30-2012, 06:16 AM
Hello Ken for homework I must share this. . . I am in awe. . .

A slideshow of 137 paintings of Joaquin Sorolla y Bastida,
master of light and water. Music by Avishai Cohen Trio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkx1zytNlxg&feature=fvwrel

dor:))

Sgourlayart
09-30-2012, 10:49 AM
Hello Ken for homework I must share this. . . I am in awe. . .

A slideshow of 137 paintings of Joaquin Sorolla y Bastida,
master of light and water. Music by Avishai Cohen Trio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkx1zytNlxg&feature=fvwrel

dor:))
Thanks, Dor. Awesome. Stu

jmcedeno
09-30-2012, 01:27 PM
Hello Ken for homework I must share this. . . I am in awe. . .

A slideshow of 137 paintings of Joaquin Sorolla y Bastida,
master of light and water. Music by Avishai Cohen Trio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkx1zytNlxg&feature=fvwrel

dor:))



Thanks Dor for the link on Sorolla one of my favorite painters, I went to a show of hundreds of his paintings in San Diego, CA in the 80's and it was breath taking to see up close those large paintings with luminous light and gorgeous color, it was awesome, I got the book on him at the show if you could get hold of this book you'll enjoy it.

jmcedeno
09-30-2012, 01:31 PM
Dona, I love this painting the brush work is great! congrats.

jmcedeno
09-30-2012, 01:34 PM
Hi Ken,
8x10 WMOil on canvas paper
Burnt Sienna, Cobalt Blue, Titanium White

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2012/224962-dor_2_Copy.jpg
Smiles to you dor:))

"COLOR IS MY DAY-LONG OBSESSION, JOY, AND TORMENT." CLAUDE MONET

Dor, great job love it.

colortone3
10-01-2012, 01:32 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Oct-2012/1026522-Rocks_with_fishermen_copy.jpg This is my second time submitting this painting. I guess at this point in time I will not get any feedback. At least I enjoyed trying to make this unfinished painting work for the assignment.

chalet_dor
10-01-2012, 01:47 AM
Hello Color tones
Just letting you know that this is the first time I have seen your painting! At least I think it is....LOL
I hoping there will be more homework submissions.......... Then Ken may have something to say..........fingers crossed........: ))

Ken Instructor
10-01-2012, 02:12 PM
Sorry guys for not getting back to you, I will, I promise, I just have been busy planning a painting trip to Mexico for painting and other purposes. I apologize, I will get back to you soon,

Ken

Ken Instructor
10-01-2012, 02:41 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Oct-2012/1026522-Rocks_with_fishermen_copy.jpg This is my second time submitting this painting. I guess at this point in time I will not get any feedback. At least I enjoyed trying to make this unfinished painting work for the assignment.

I does seem to have a conservative color plan, which is neat. Remember the trick is to use only two hues in all their purest or grayest tone. The point is this, that there cannot be a black and white setting in the world, because the moment light hits it, it will be either cool or warm. So the trick is to paint things as if the local color of everything was gray,- what would these grays look like in light and shadow? Its an important lesson to understand how all colors are unified. Use either only only hue and by graying it it becomes cooler, or plainly use two hues, blue and yellow, or the modifications of these. Love the water in the foreground, it really moves, so I guess you hit two birds one stone.
Ken

Ken Instructor
10-01-2012, 02:42 PM
Thanks Dor for the link on Sorolla one of my favorite painters, I went to a show of hundreds of his paintings in San Diego, CA in the 80's and it was breath taking to see up close those large paintings with luminous light and gorgeous color, it was awesome, I got the book on him at the show if you could get hold of this book you'll enjoy it.

Oh I hear ya, I spend hours trolling the net looking for these videos and pics, I love the 21st Century!!!!

Ken Instructor
10-01-2012, 02:48 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2012/983267-CS_Paintings_Sept_2012_025_KV_Homework_Values_Week3.JPG

Hi Ken. I did this little wc pic before I saw your instructions on this thread. This is what I thought you meant on Saturday. Now that I've read your instructions I don't think it is what we were supposed to do! I guess I thought we were supposed to do value layering to show depth. I used only Ultramarine Blue and Burnt Sienna mixed for various values of grey. So do you think I achieved that, at least? If I did it over again based on your written instructions should I use these same two colours (the blue for cool, and the burnt sienna for warms)? Or should I choose yellow and blue?

Thank you Ken - the course was great. I told everyone I know about it. I hope you do more courses. I'm sorry I missed submitting homework for the first two weeks (my mother was hospitalized) - but I would still like to submit the homework even if it is late. Will you still review for me? THANK YOU!

Submit any homework, and about the painting, I would have loved to see more cool colors in there; the best example seems to be Sargent's watercolors, look how he handled the warm and cool play and where he applied it. This is not a simple concept, I only introduced and shall explain it more in future webinars, for the lesson it holds. I thank you for talking about the course, I remember you being very perky and attentive at my course, I loved it. Thanks again, and sorry for not being too rigorous in the painting critiques,- I am just focusing on the aspect of warm and cool for now. Otherwise I would go on forever.

Ken

Ken Instructor
10-01-2012, 02:52 PM
Hi Ken,
8x10 WMOil on canvas paper
Burnt Sienna, Cobalt Blue, Titanium White

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2012/224962-dor_2_Copy.jpg
Smiles to you dor:))

"COLOR IS MY DAY-LONG OBSESSION, JOY, AND TORMENT." CLAUDE MONET

Interesting bold piece Dor, I like your boldness in the brushwork. However, like I have been saying, experiment and see how much color you can take out of a painting, preserving only the temperature, and try to make it work, if you can, you would have achieved a tremendous thing in understanding, and in my opinion, it should be the first thing taught in color: how would grays look under light. It would not look like those black and white movies, because the moment all things are gray in real life, with warm or cool light, these will alter those grays.

Ken Instructor
10-01-2012, 02:57 PM
Hopefully you can tell I tried to do the water part of the assignment! I lost the reflections so many times, I decided this is probably as good as I was probably going to get. This was so much harder than I thought it would be!

Something I realized later--but too late to incorporate into this painting--was that your blur principle probably should apply to clouds as well?!! I copied a John Twachtman and my colors are too bright; they should be mellower overall.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2012/1697-twachtmanhomework.jpg

Susan, in fact the water principle applies to everything because the lesson here is really an lesson in all things, because its about making the eye move through soft edges... but not too soft, because we also want design, right? So this applies to almost everything. Even when we do mountains, that do not move, yes we need to use hard edges, but the eye needs to move as swiftly. It is more about how the eye behaves on the surface of the canvas, more than what it depicted. If the eye behaves right, the painting is right. The water on the lower right, seems to move, but the design, well, I am not too happy with it. Everything else, I love, the light, play of temperature etc.
This is a hard principle, because you either design your water right but make it stuck, or make it move without the slight suggestion of form... The trick is to do both, like everything, the dilemmas I have been talking about..

I thank you for the submission...

Ken

Ken Instructor
10-01-2012, 02:59 PM
Hopefully you can tell I tried to do the water part of the assignment! I lost the reflections so many times, I decided this is probably as good as I was probably going to get. This was so much harder than I thought it would be!

Something I realized later--but too late to incorporate into this painting--was that your blur principle probably should apply to clouds as well?!! I copied a John Twachtman and my colors are too bright; they should be mellower overall.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2012/1697-twachtmanhomework.jpg


You can tell the level of a painter just by how he understands movement and design, how he or she juggles this and tries to get the best in both; I do not expect anyone to master it so soon, but I am at least pointing you in the right direction, and to ask yourselves the most relevant questions...

Best,

Ken

Ken Instructor
10-01-2012, 03:01 PM
Hi Ken ..I am offering this one for water movement and see how it flows ! Loved your webinar ! Anxious for to learn all about portraits too.

Not quite Dona, I like the painting though, but there are edges in the water that are too hard... Keep fiddling with it, you are a soft painter, this should not be very hard for you. I encourage you to keep at it, I will check this blog weekly, since the course is now over.

Ken

chalet_dor
10-01-2012, 04:16 PM
[/COLOR]Interesting bold piece Dor, I like your boldness in the brushwork. However, like I have been saying, experiment and see how much color you can take out of a painting, preserving only the temperature, and try to make it work, if you can, you would have achieved a tremendous thing in understanding, and in my opinion, it should be the first thing taught in color: how would grays look under light. It would not look like those black and white movies, because the moment all things are gray in real life, with warm or cool light, these will alter those grays.

Please reply

Ken are you telling me to take the blue and make values of gray which will be my cool.
Take the sienna and make values of gray which will be my warm.
And try to create a painting using those warm and cool hues? I want to know before I do another and screw up?

dor: ))

chalet_dor
10-01-2012, 05:58 PM
me again

In other words create a gray scale painting, showing light and shadow in both the cool and warm hues.

Is that what you mean before I give it another try?

Ken Instructor
10-02-2012, 09:53 PM
yes Dor, I would recommend googling " John Singer Sargent venice waterolors". Just study them to get an idea.

Sgourlayart
10-03-2012, 07:22 AM
me again

In other words create a gray scale painting, showing light and shadow in both the cool and warm hues.

Is that what you mean before I give it another try?Dor, take a look on The Complete Artist site for a couple of recently posted "tone-value studies" by Jan Koolman using just ultramarine, burnt sienna and white. These are what Kenneth is after. Just hit the "Photos" tab and you will see them. Stu

chalet_dor
10-03-2012, 11:52 AM
Stu
Help I have spent an hour looking and cannot find anything by Jan Koolman?
A link please............dor:)P)

pamshowcase
10-03-2012, 02:30 PM
Stu
Help I have spent an hour looking and cannot find anything by Jan Koolman?
A link please............dor:)P)
t was hard to find but here....Pam
http://thecompleteartist.ning.com/photo/olive-tree-kreta-oilpainting-40-50-cm

chalet_dor
10-03-2012, 02:57 PM
Thank you Pam very much.........

The correct spelling is Jan Kooiman...........however I already posted something like that and it was not correct...........:confused: as usual
I will keep looking and maybe the light will go on.........smiles to you: ))

Sgourlayart
10-03-2012, 11:05 PM
Thank you Pam very much.........

The correct spelling is Jan Kooiman...........however I already posted something like that and it was not correct...........:confused: as usual
I will keep looking and maybe the light will go on.........smiles to you: ))Dor, I hope you found it. I spelled his name correctly. Pam gave you a correct link to one of his paintings. You can find him by clicking on the "Members" tab with his name in the box and you can find his paintings by clicking on his picture and then on the photos tabs. He has 2 paintings that show exactly what Kenneth wants (IMO) with warms and cools with tonal values from 3 pigments--ultramarine blue, burnt sienna and titanium white. I believe that Jan could submit this as homework on WCL and get an "attaboy" for it.


Stu

chalet_dor
10-03-2012, 11:39 PM
Thank you Stu I found it and got it..........smiles to you and thanks : ))

chalet_dor
10-04-2012, 03:59 AM
Hi Ken

Ultramarine Blue, Burnt Sienna + White
dor's John Stringer Sargent - Venice

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2012/224962-dors_John_Singer_Sargent_Venice.jpg

Maybe this is what you want? dor:))

Sgourlayart
10-04-2012, 06:40 AM
Hi Ken

Ultramarine Blue, Burnt Sienna + White
dor's John Stringer Sargent - Venice

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2012/224962-dors_John_Singer_Sargent_Venice.jpg

Maybe this is what you want? dor:))
I think you got it! Stu

chalet_dor
10-04-2012, 06:43 AM
Thank you Stu...........it is really sloppy but I think I got it too..........it is sitting here very wet and under the spot light of my work lamp.......probably should have waited till later today to photograph it..........I am going to bed it is 5:45 Am here...........nighty nite.........and smiles to you........: ))

HazelP
10-04-2012, 10:48 PM
Here is my try at a tonal value paintings

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2012/915542-Road-to-sixtus.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2012/915542-Spirits-Bay.jpg

Another depicting movement in water reflections

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2012/915542-P1050461.jpg

Looking forward to more clases from you Ken.

Sgourlayart
10-05-2012, 08:35 AM
Nice work Hazel! Stu

Ken Instructor
10-07-2012, 12:03 AM
I think you got it! Stu

Oh yes, I'm happier with that!!!

Ken Instructor
10-07-2012, 12:05 AM
Here is my try at a tonal value paintings

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2012/915542-Road-to-sixtus.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2012/915542-Spirits-Bay.jpg

Another depicting movement in water reflections

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2012/915542-P1050461.jpg

Looking forward to more clases from you Ken.


Yes Hazel, I think you have my seal of approval and thanks for doing both of the assignment, though you only needed one!!! Awesome, water, good handling of warm and cool. Kudos!

Ken

chalet_dor
10-07-2012, 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by dor_
dor's John Stringer Sargent - Venice

Hi Ken
I am assuming you were replying to me..........and not Stu. Have been holding my breath waiting for you to say something to me. dor :))

chalet_dor
10-07-2012, 12:48 AM
Hi Hazel

Now that you have Kens approval I want to congratulate you on getting the assignment right. All three are beautiful......smiles to you dor:))

Sgourlayart
10-07-2012, 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by dor_
dor's John Stringer Sargent - Venice

Hi Ken
I am assuming you were replying to me..........and not Stu. Have been holding my breath waiting for you to say something to me. dor :))Dor, take a breath--I am sure he means your work, because I did not post any work. Also, if he had said "Stu's right, Dor; you've got it!" that woulod be a clear indication to you. When you look at Hazel's work and his comments, you can see that you both have it right. Keep up the good work. The Vloothuis' are men of few words, both Ken and his Dad. Stu

chalet_dor
10-07-2012, 02:35 PM
Hello

That is what I wanted him to say......dor Oh yes, I'm happier with that!!! you got it!

Stu you and I are talkers.........Smiles to you today..........: ))

Sgourlayart
10-10-2012, 02:04 PM
Here's my homework. Tonal study 5" x 7" oil on panel with titanium white, ultramarine blue and transparent earth red. Stu
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Oct-2012/175408-Turtle_Beach_tonal_study.JPG

chalet_dor
10-10-2012, 02:33 PM
Stu, I love it because it is impressionistic........... : ))

Sgourlayart
10-10-2012, 07:15 PM
Stu, I love it because it is impressionistic........... : ))Thanks, Dor. It's hard to get too much detail in a 5" by 7" format unless you use tiny brushes. Stu

jmcedeno
10-11-2012, 03:51 PM
Very good Stu, you got it.

Wetpaint0938
10-11-2012, 06:59 PM
Stu that is great
I just didn't have time to do the work on these clasess

HazelP
10-11-2012, 11:23 PM
Nice one Stu.