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Leopoldo1
01-29-2001, 01:05 PM
Can anyone give some sound advice or useful information, negative or positive, on starting out with and creating a web-page? The wife and I are both artists and think we would like to pursue this journey. We have been having so much fun with this digital camera lately and a web page sounds like the next logical move. Thanks in advance! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/confused.gif

sgtaylor
01-29-2001, 01:51 PM
I think the folks over in the Computers and Technology forum can probably help you out a little better than the Oil Painting crowd - so I'm moving this thread over there. Good luck. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

TPS
01-29-2001, 06:05 PM
Sure...go for it! You could start by signing up at artistnation.com If you want something fast, just use their templates and tutorials to get started.

Then learn some html so you can customize your site to your own liking. It's really not very hard to do. I did my site by learning via a book and internet tutorials in about one month.

It's great being able to update my site at will. Hey, you're artists; you're creative; you can do it. If you want more help, feel free to email me. Good luck!

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sandge
01-29-2001, 07:16 PM
What TPS said!

There are plenty of free tutorials on website building out on the Web. One key element though is image optimization. If your picture files are big they will take a long time to download and your visitors may not hang about waiting.

Have fun with it! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
sandra



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nnelson1
01-29-2001, 07:21 PM
Congratulations t0 you and your wife on this exciting new endeavour. You'll find this to be quite enjoyable.
A couple of tips that youmay find useful.

1. Get a good WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) web design program like Frontpage 2000 or Dreamweaver. They make it sooooo much easier for the novice.

2. Keep your designs simple and easy on the eyes. Use your artistic skills to aid you here. Remember, the majority of web users still only have phone modems. Don't bog down their 56k connections with a boatload of graphics on the first page. Spread things out.

3. Look at web pages that you really like and try to determine why.

4. DO learn html, java, flash and all that other stuff. It's a lot of fun and can be learned at your own pace to further enhance your site.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Cheers,

Nick

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Roan
01-29-2001, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by nnelson1:
4. DO learn html, java, flash and all that other stuff. It's a lot of fun and can be learned at your own pace to further enhance your site.

Although I do use javascript and a bit of java, you may want to think twice before using flash and some of that other media-jazz stuff until you are pretty expereinced with web design. A lot of people do not like it -- me included -- and I'll often leave a page that is nothing but flash and sparkle or tells me a need a plug-in to view. Most java apps are very slow to load and not everyone has a high speed modem.

The key to a good web site is CONTENT and no amount of fancy stuff is going to take the place of it. That's what any web site's main focus should be: content.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against it, in good hands it works, but there's one thing I hate is going to a site that reminds me of that old "Where's the beef?" commercial :P

You might want to read this thread from this forum:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000005.html

And if you ever want to see examples of classy web pages, check out L. Diane Johnson's web sites. She's a great example to learn from -- her pages are classy, well-designed and full of content. Her links are in that above thread.

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TPS
01-29-2001, 10:46 PM
Some good suggestions from nnelson1, except I'd say save your money and don't purchase an html editor like FrontPage or Dreamweaver. They are expensive and mainly provide lots of mucky code, which you'll have to clean up. To do that you need to know some html anyways, so why not just learn it and build your own pages. It's really not hard at all. I'd also avoid using alot of java, flash, etc. as Roan said.

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nnelson1
01-30-2001, 09:12 AM
Let me clarify:
Although I said DO learn javascript, flash, etc, I also mentioned before to be conscious of the fact that simplicity rules! A little spice makes the meal, a lot of spice kills it.
I agree wholeheartedly with Roan and TPS; learn html. It's easy and fun. But, the wysiwyg programs are fun and enable a beginner to get a design up and running quickly.

Sorry about the cost issue...as an ITT, I've never had to buy this stuff so I really didn't know how expensive it was! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Mea culpa!

Good luck and please let us see what you come up with.

Cheers,

Nick

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Leopoldo1
01-30-2001, 09:43 AM
Thanks for all your support and I am sure I will be filing all your comments for use and further questions. Great forum! Thanks again. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Roan
01-30-2001, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by TPS:
Some good suggestions from nnelson1, except I'd say save your money and don't purchase an html editor like FrontPage or Dreamweaver. They are expensive and mainly provide lots of mucky code, which you'll have to clean up. To do that you need to know some html anyways, so why not just learn it and build your own pages. It's really not hard at all. I'd also avoid using alot of java, flash, etc. as Roan said.

I do agree with you about Flash and Dreamweaver et al and I'm usually a stiff advocate against using them. However, I've learned that most people just don't have the patience to learn HTML and don't care if they clean up their code or not. They just want to get their web page up and running as easily as possible and don't realize that that extra crap code will slow their site down.

Bad form? You betcha, but, hey, that's what they want. My husband uses DreamWeaver and is very happy with it. I try hard not to criticize -- I'm just happy he's doing his own web stuff and not asking ME to do it for him anymore :P

Heh, I saw him last night writing PERL CODE! Hahahaha! CGI SCRIPT! He's learning HTML! Finally :P

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Roan
01-30-2001, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by nnelson1:
Let me clarify:
Although I said DO learn javascript, flash, etc, I also mentioned before to be conscious of the fact that simplicity rules! A little spice makes the meal, a lot of spice kills it.

I figured that's what you really meant, but I wanted to make sure that he understood that it was best to walk, then run :P

Sorry about the cost issue...as an ITT, I've never had to buy this stuff so I really didn't know how expensive it was! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Mea culpa!

Silly ITT bean, don't you do your own budgets? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif No? I want some! :P

Just teasing, Nick, HUGS!



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<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">Nan danadh mo lmh mar a dh'iarradh mo shil!</FONT c>
-- <FONT size="1">If my hand could do as my eye would desire!</FONT s>
RoanStudio.com (http://RoanStudio.com) &lt;-- pastel open stock vendor sources & reviews!

Kevin M
01-30-2001, 03:47 PM
As far as editors are concerned, 1st Page 2000 is available free at http://www.evrsoft.com/download/ .

It is fairly powerful and easy to use and incorporates Tidy for cleaning up buggy html.

You should not have too much trouble if you follow the advice given above, in particular, keep it simple. I am one of those numerous surfers that if a page fails to open in 10 seconds or so hits the stop button and moves on.

As far as optimizing web images goes, WebGraphics Optimizer Pro is inexpensive and both efficient and easy to use.

Kevin