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08-04-2012, 02:17 PM
Okay, not the proper name of the painting but I don't have one just yet. I would like to call this "The Pirate Baby Goes to Sea" but there is no ship... Oh well.




I'm liking this one already. This is Samantha... she is such a cutie!

08-04-2012, 04:57 PM
Totally weird! that baby was there... I saw it... and now its the white rabbit.

really weird!

08-04-2012, 04:58 PM
for some reason, my two threads seem to be connected... baby updates tomorrow I guess.

08-04-2012, 10:00 PM
Nice to see you painting again


08-05-2012, 08:06 AM
Long lost T !!! Glad to see you back! And those lovely purple stages of delightful works to come! Good to see you T, have missed you her. =)) Cheers! Debs.

01-11-2014, 06:11 PM
Back to work on this one

Dana Design
01-12-2014, 12:16 PM
Loving this!

01-12-2014, 02:29 PM
thanks Dana!

01-12-2014, 04:54 PM

01-12-2014, 06:09 PM
Instantly recognizable as your style.

01-13-2014, 07:04 AM
Wow! This is coming along beautifully T ! I love the work on the fabric! Wonderful seeing your work happening here again. !! 👍 Cheers :) Debs.

01-13-2014, 10:27 AM
Really interesting way of laying on the paint. What colours are you using and is this an underpainting for later colours? I am watching this with interest. ?Well done.

01-13-2014, 12:02 PM
Love the toning,as for the subject i am not sure whether to say ahhh or be very frightened of a baby with a canon :)

01-25-2014, 03:53 PM
Thanks Debs! I'm trying to commit the time to painting... coming easier. I go in phases. It's a painting phase!

Oz, this is just white and Dioxazine purple, and yes, an underpainting. there will be colours later.

Yeah, Trumper, I'm excited about this painting. the photo is just so cool. the expression... the theme... the lighting. Lovin it!


01-26-2014, 03:27 PM

01-26-2014, 06:27 PM

01-27-2014, 11:33 AM
Just noticed this one T great start ,will look in again.


01-27-2014, 03:00 PM

:wave: Hi Grunge,Can you explain the process please.I assume you are using these few colours to show the hi lights and darks and then go over with the proper colours trying to retain these tones.I have never tried this so anything yyou can explain would be brilliant -THANKS :)

01-27-2014, 04:34 PM
Brian, thanks! this is going to take a while...

Trumper, I started doing purple under paintings when I was doing a lot of portraits in water color. It was something I saw here in the water color forum...purple to bring in nice colorful shadows and whatnot. I've always wanted to glaze, so I just gave it a try. I did try under paintings in browns prior to the watercolor phase... but for some reason on my return to oil paints I did a purple under painting. the colors that were laid over the top really weren't glazed. but they do seem to maintain a really brilliant color scheme.

Yes, the purpose of the under painting is to get the tones right. but when I bring in color i may muck that all up. It's tough to see color in tones. I guess in the long run, I really don;t have a clue why I'm doing things this way. It sure takes a lot longer but I'm pleased with my results in my paintings so far.

01-27-2014, 04:37 PM
It's tough to see color in tones. I guess in the long run, I really don;t have a clue why I'm doing things this way. It sure takes a lot longer but I'm pleased with my results in my paintings so far.

:thumbsup: Thank you, at the end the proof is in the pudding :) I would be very pleased with that.

01-27-2014, 07:47 PM
Looking really good T

01-28-2014, 01:11 PM
Oh. And here you come along, giving all those babies some bigger fish to fry. Just like you did with the frogs. (I'm thinking of an hilarious National Lampoon Movie at this very moment.)

01-29-2014, 01:26 PM
Wonderful expression. Looking forward to seeing the colour. Arnie

01-29-2014, 02:20 PM
Really, really great picture! Love the monochromatic color choice and the shadowing of the garments. It's mono, but yet, it's filled with color! Neat-O effect.

Also the facial expression is very neat. You can see an assessment of sorts in the expression of the character. And with one hand on the cannon and another on the cannon balls, you have to wonder, exactly, what is he looking at?

And that's the beauty of this work, is that it made me think about that. Thanks for sharing this, very, very cool!


02-01-2014, 07:05 AM
Very beautiful with such a restricted palette. Is it guache? acrylic?

02-02-2014, 06:05 AM
Grunge, this is a wonderful painting! I like the colour and the contrast work.

02-02-2014, 09:33 PM
thanks everyone!

Josecs - this is an oil painting.

Still not sure what I'm going to do with the background so I'm starting my second layer of paint. Still under painting, but refining it.

Here Im just toning out the face

blend, blend, blend! Very important!!

and a step back for a look...


I'm seeing some problems that are still wet...

02-02-2014, 11:22 PM
Maybe some Ships woodwork and rigging in the background?
Belaying pins and pulleys.

02-03-2014, 01:14 PM
:thumbsup: Are you using the black and white version on the screen behind the painting as a tonal guide?

02-03-2014, 04:02 PM
Yes, exactly. The photo is in color. I've modified it to gray scale. I've drawn out one inch squares on the canvas and have my computer grid at 72 dpi which works out to inches. When in ready for color I'll start viewing the photo in color but I expect my colors to be more vivid than the photo.

02-03-2014, 04:48 PM
Thank you ,i still have so much to learn.
What size is the painting?

02-03-2014, 05:55 PM
Love the painting. So well done. I have to show my Great Grandson. He will love it also.
Thanks for posting.

02-09-2014, 05:24 PM
If I count the squares on my canvas this is roughly 22 by 28 inches.

Here I've just roughed in my background. I'm working with a shot that has back lighting so I've just blocked this in so I can adjust the lighting later and tighten things up a little.


02-09-2014, 05:32 PM
Very good background.
Look forward to your progress

02-14-2014, 06:49 PM
Not for a second i doubt you will do a great ending with this but...
This color makes us go back in time and seem perfect to me as a piece which would stand alone between colorful ones.

02-26-2014, 07:18 AM
This is going to be a winner, I'm sure. Well done so far T.

03-01-2014, 02:22 PM
Josecs, you are making me think about my color scheme coming up. Thanks. I'll try to maintain that feeling.

Ozi, thanks! Its lovely to see you!

03-02-2014, 05:27 PM
Definitely be something worth waiting for I am sure

Steve Matthews
05-02-2014, 04:17 AM
This is Great!!! I wish I could do that good, your amazing

05-02-2014, 04:41 PM
Just wondered if there were any updates on this painting :)

05-25-2014, 02:11 AM
Hi T. I have a feeling you've got to that stage where you're hesitant to put in colours and stray from the tones you've put down so perfectly. Hang in there!

10-31-2014, 04:58 PM
No. I haven't been afraid to move on to color. I just took a long break.
Back to work...

I'm building my flesh with white, rose madder permanent, cobalt blue, naples yellow, Italian burnt sienna, dioxazine purple. I think that's it...


10-31-2014, 05:01 PM
I'm afraid I'm losing some of that sassy girl look. I need to fix that up.


10-31-2014, 05:06 PM
I'm not sure what color her coat really is. sometimes it looks green to me. sometimes it looks brown. So I've decided on a green made of cobalt blue and naples yellow with hints of burnt sienna and purple.




10-31-2014, 06:43 PM
Looking really good. Good decision on the green

11-01-2014, 02:47 PM
What a wonderful painting ,the look on the face such an attitude.

11-03-2014, 01:36 PM
I didn't get too much done this weekend with the holiday and festivities...
I'm really feeling like I need to clean my camera lens. Sorry.

11-03-2014, 05:54 PM
Look forward to seeing more of The Pirate Baby.
Lovely details on the Pirate outfit.
What are the two indentations on the cannon ball?
(bowling ball?)

11-08-2014, 12:56 PM
Today I'm getting started on the shirt and necklace. In my reference the shirt looks peach but I'm changing it to white.

11-08-2014, 05:13 PM

11-09-2014, 03:05 AM
Like the striped sash :-)

11-09-2014, 05:34 PM
I'm afraid I have a tendency to pretty much ignore perspective issues and the "liar liar photograph" until its too late and I'm reworking over painted areas.

It was so long ago when I started this painting that when I finally got back to it I had this feeling... fear... that I would never get it done. So rather than continuing on with the under painting I jumped right into color.

today I spent some time on my background... in purple tones. Cleaned up some perspective issues... lost hold of some of my tones. I'll do more fixing later. Just wanted to get a quick post in. Sorry about the glare.


11-09-2014, 06:11 PM
I think it looks very accomplished

11-15-2014, 03:26 PM
Today I decided to get back into the face. I want the light side of her face to be more distinct. So I'm darkening. Just dabbing paint on and blending. Not sure if its is better... but here it is.


11-15-2014, 05:09 PM
Getting there very definitely with the realism

11-16-2014, 11:06 AM
Today I'm working on the railing. I want to get rid of some of this purple background before I paint Miss Samantha's hat.... purple. (She will have a lovely red feather in her hat too:) )

Once again, geometry is slapping me in the face. I can't really see what is going on in my boat reference. the sun is on the wrong side of the boat and I've reversed the image because the original version had the opening on the wrong side of the photo. I shouldn't have moved this far ahead without getting this figured out but .... oh well. I'll just draw lines on my painting. I feel like this railing is leaning forward. Not sure how to fix that just yet.


11-16-2014, 12:53 PM
Holy math! Ok... I'm measuring the lowest blocks at the top of the railing. from end to end I have a distance of 19 cm. I know that those posts should reduce in size as they go off in the distance. I've painted in four but noticed there should actually be five. So I'm going to go with five. I started with a test measurement. my first block is 2.6 cm and the space after it is 1.6. for each subsequent post and space I reduced its size by .1 cm. When I add all ten measurements together I get a perfect 19 cm. YAY!

11-16-2014, 03:12 PM
Waa Laa!!! Ok, its not perfect...but its a good start.

11-16-2014, 05:39 PM
There would not be too many straight lines on a sailing ship of the line.
Looks good though.
The Mortar placement might cause more concern if it actually fired, but it is only make believe after all.

11-19-2014, 12:24 PM
Hi Grunge
The painting is looking wonderful. I can't wait to see more.

11-19-2014, 01:02 PM
Thank you Steven. Welcome to WetCanvas!

11-20-2014, 10:30 PM
oh, my! is there a like button here somewhere? i am totally loving watching your process. it's magical and fascinating :D

11-21-2014, 10:22 AM
:) Wouldn't that be nice. I think you can like the "thread" from the thread list but I dont it is as satisfying as that simple click in FB.
Thank you so much Kerri. I really do appreciate the support. and of course... Welcome to WetCanvas!

11-22-2014, 05:31 PM
Ive spent a lot of time fussing with my railing. It really seems that I built it in two different styles and then just hoped they would meet in the middle. Anyway....
worked up my background..and got into the floor. Its been a productive day. :)

11-22-2014, 09:18 PM
this is looking amazing :)

i saw on something else you did that you talked about why you do the purple underpainting. do you use the same colour on everything? if you were doing a landscape, would you still use the purple?

i'm so new to this and really have no idea what i'm doing, but i'm attempting a mare and foal with lots of greenery in the back ground. would i be better to maybe underpaint with a more earthy tone for something like that, do you think?

also, i saw in "she" that you had a grid overlaid on the image on your computer. what programme do you use to do that?

(sorry if i'm derailing your thread, but not really sure how else to get my questions in :/ )

11-23-2014, 11:32 AM
this is looking amazing :)

i saw on something else you did that you talked about why you do the purple underpainting. do you use the same colour on everything? if you were doing a landscape, would you still use the purple?

Hi Kerri! Well, I dont really "do" everything. I like doing portraits of kids. I suppose as the backgrounds demand ... I do what is called for ...like this ding dang boat. The masters did their under paintings in brown or dark green. Sorry, I cant quote the exact colors without a bit of research. I believe Sepia was one of the colors. I experimented a little, maybe one and a half paintings where I prepared an under painting in brown (with no graph) and then glazed in oils. I wasn't really successful.

The discovery of purple was really a watercolor thing for me. watercolors really forced me to slow the heck down. they are so unforgiving. You cant afford to make a mistake. I always transferred my image before painting, conducted a lot of color research and testing and really took my time with application. this was a strong contrast to my oil painting routine.

With oils I mixed tons of ugly colors and ended up wasting a lot of paint. I never primed my canvas or prepared a graph. I just painted straight on the canvas. and then I had a turning point.

I took photograph of my daughter in a quirky pose and I really felt I wanted to paint it. I knew I would paint it in oils. She was wearing a stripped shirt that I knew would be a major problem so I slowed down and put a graph on the canvas, and did the same thing I had done in my previous six portraits. I painted the under painting in purple. I WAS STUNNED BY THE RESULTS. We're not talking, oh this is a little better... this was "oh my god why didnt you do this all along!"

I do feel, and maybe its all in my head (because I don't paint in glazes and Im not painting particularly transparent) that the purple under painting really makes my colors pop. Again, maybe not. I do recall my painting teacher couldn't pass my easel without telling me to tone down my colors...

i'm so new to this and really have no idea what i'm doing, but i'm attempting a mare and foal with lots of greenery in the back ground. would i be better to maybe underpaint with a more earthy tone for something like that, do you think?

I would say.... try it. There is no harm in trying anything. It is part of the learning process. Im actually considering trying a sepia under painting to see if it will get me closer to realism. I question if my colors are too vibrant. I wonder what DaVinci would say if he passed by my easel. I'm sure he would scold.

I would love to have a look at what you're working on. Is it posted yet?

also, i saw in "she" that you had a grid overlaid on the image on your computer. what programme do you use to do that?

I'm using Fireworks 4. It's a macromedia program. they make stuff for website building and such. this would be the photo manipulation area. Its an older program but I love it. I assume its very similar to photoshop. I've been using it for years and years so Im sure i got my moneys worth out of it.

(sorry if i'm derailing your thread, but not really sure how else to get my questions in :/ )

Nonsense! I am always happy to help. Feel free to post anytime you want.

11-23-2014, 02:22 PM
Sometimes you just need a boat....and since our little Fischer Price boat has long since been thrown out I decided to build one. If you don't like my boat... too bad. Feel free to build your own.

I think I've mentioned before, the photo I'm using for my boat is back lit, the sun is on the other side of the boat and very high in the sky. most of the railing is an ambiguous darkness, there are no post shadows, no mast shadows. Not at all what I need.

So here's my boat. No laughing! :wink2:


11-23-2014, 03:05 PM
love this!

11-23-2014, 05:33 PM
Interested to see how you do the 'Deck'
Nice little model

11-23-2014, 05:37 PM

ok. stopping here. I've adjusted lighting on my "railing from hell" painted in the grill... worked on the floor a bit more, but it still needs shadows...
Again, sorry about the glare.

11-23-2014, 05:46 PM

11-23-2014, 10:14 PM
hiya t

i love you little boat. what better way to work out how the light falls than to build an (almost) scale model!?

thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions so clearly :) you rock!

so i've started and posted it here http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20288064#post20288064

11-23-2014, 11:54 PM
Thanks kerri! Thats been brewing in the back of my mind... I hate painting what i cant see.

11-24-2014, 04:35 AM
Hi Grunge, I am loving the progression of this pirate baby and also the way you are explaining why you did this or that - so interesting.
I may be Absolutely wrong here..but, how do I explain what I'm meaning..you know the decking, running from back where the mast is behind the baby? Then it continues immediately behind baby's back...ok, well there's more decking on the right side of the picture, just below the cannon isn't there? To me, it looks as though those two defined areas of decking are sloping in different directions...
And I may be entirely wrong of course, I just wanted to say...

11-24-2014, 09:11 AM
Thanks Rach, i appreciate youre speaking up on that. The floor has been a major concern for me one reason being im just not sure if both the boat and the historical site where the baby is... If the grounds in both photos are the same elevation. I wouldnt care except that mortar needs to be on the proper plane. The floor boards in the boat reference do fan out from center due to the viewers perspective and i may have mucked it up. Ill try to post the reference later. At the moment im on a train.

11-24-2014, 06:18 PM
Really nice wood effect on the top of the railing

11-24-2014, 06:43 PM
Very impressive! You have done an amazing job with (what you can not see) this painting. Reading your posts will help me to better elaborate when I submit a wet canvas. Very well done. Can't wait to see the progress. Love the values in the jacket.

11-25-2014, 10:36 AM
Barann, thank you so much. Much appreciated!

11-28-2014, 03:10 PM
Beautiful work Grunge! You have beautiful detail and style. . I also love her expression - so determined and focused.

11-29-2014, 03:31 PM
Thanks Dana! I'm looking forward to getting back into her face... but today... more floor. Also adding shadows on the railing.

I took a good look at my two perspectives. the boat has the horizon line above where my canvas ends... the baby photo has the horizon somewhere ever the baby's shoulder. this could be a problem. Does anyone feel unbalanced by my mixed perspective?


11-29-2014, 04:58 PM

11-30-2014, 03:03 AM
Mixed perspective seems to be natural

11-30-2014, 03:26 AM
i don't know much about perspective, but the baby certainly looks like she "fits" in the boat and is properly on the deck. it doesn't look unbalanced in any way to me. (says she from a perspective of total ignorance ... lol)

11-30-2014, 05:59 AM
All good here :)

11-30-2014, 12:21 PM
Kerri, Trumper, Thanks! Onward then!

11-30-2014, 02:32 PM
spent time on the mortar and cannon balls. I' pleased with the contrast of light and dark in the foreground. thinking, thinking, how can I bring it into the background too.


11-30-2014, 05:58 PM
Don't mention it
What are the extra holes in the cannon balls for?

12-02-2014, 12:33 PM
Hi, Great detail on the cannon and cannon balls. Its look so good.

12-02-2014, 12:38 PM
Thank you Steven

12-02-2014, 05:42 PM
:) Will you be rounding off the individual Balusters on the Balustrade?
or will you be leaving them angular?

12-04-2014, 06:32 AM
This is looking absolutely fantastic and I've just looked through all the stage photos. I love the model.

Couple of suggestions - you can totally ignore them if you like.

1. Would it be nice to see a little more of her hand that is resting on the mortar?

2. The perspective of the mortar has concerned me from the first post and I'm still troubled. I'll try to explain what I mean, and you can disagree if you like! The ovals that represent the muzzle of the mortar seem to me to not quite line up with the lines of the gun behind. It just looks as though the muzzle is pointing upwards just a touch too much - or that the gun is pointing downwards just too much. Does that even make sense?

It might look different in real life, of course, and I hope you don't mind me raising it as a possible problem.

It's an amazing painting and you have fantastic skills.


12-04-2014, 09:19 AM
Hey Mike, this is exactly the sort of thing ive been worried about with the dual perspective. I dont want it to seem like the frame holding the mortar is cutting into the plane of the floor. And yes, im looking at those ovals too. Mostly ive ignored them while i got the railing established. I figured on some overlap there. After painting last weekend i could see my geometric shapes were off so i figure this coming weekend it will be dry enough that i can lay my ruler on it and properly plot out the points on the ovals. Ill have to show you the reference so you can decide if we should talk more on these mortar issues.

Sadly i think this may be all the hand you get to see on the baby. There are no additional photos of this pose and our little girl (my niece) has grown up considerably so i cant really ask her to pose again (although i hear she can still get that jacket on.)

Thanks so much for the input!!

12-04-2014, 11:56 AM
Well! Gotta love facebook! I just got the baby reference from my sister and much to my surprise, it is uncropped! So much more information for the lower left corner than I was working with. She also promises additional views so could be a better hand after all!

12-04-2014, 05:39 PM
Lovely reference

12-06-2014, 04:16 PM
Finally getting some paint on the hat today. Its too wet to do much more with it so I worked a bit more on the face and think maybe I'll spend some time on the background.


12-06-2014, 06:45 PM
last one for today.

12-06-2014, 11:26 PM
still looking for that like button ... lol. it's looking amazing :) that dent in the cannon ball is definitely a dent now and not an extra hole.

12-07-2014, 01:37 AM
Thanks miss kerri! You are a sweetie!

12-07-2014, 03:10 AM
Yep dents on cast balls :-)
Big like

12-07-2014, 06:53 PM
I didn't get much painting done today. Christmas shopping got in the way.

I darkened the rails, staircase and tweaked the hat a bit.

12-08-2014, 04:11 AM
Gets better every time :)

12-08-2014, 10:25 AM
Thanks Trumper, I'm glad to hear you say that. I'm beginning to feel like every post is same same.:)

12-13-2014, 04:42 PM
Okay! time to get serious about the water. Ive been dreading it. dabbling at it. Messing it up. Here goes...


maybe this isnt quite right...

Okay... a break from the water. painting in eyelashes and throwing in a little sun in her eye...

Here's where I am at. Feeling like I want to be done so please let me know if you find problems (like that damned railing). the usual apologies for lighting, bla, bla, bla.



12-13-2014, 10:08 PM
strange how you don't realise something is missing til it's there. the darker sea really seems to bring the ship forward (or something ... i don't know the terms for what i'm seeing). it's going great :D

12-13-2014, 11:30 PM
I just want to be done but i know i should really find a decent reference for the wood and bring it up a notch. Uuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh!!!!

12-14-2014, 02:09 AM
i think you will kick yourself it you don't persevere with it. it's such a lovely painting, and it would be a real shame if, every time you looked at it, you thought "eh, i should have done this" or "ugh! i could have done that better".

12-14-2014, 12:14 PM
True, youre right

12-27-2014, 02:17 PM
I've had a couple of short sittings with this. Darkening... darkening. Might be done.


12-27-2014, 06:48 PM
Hi Grunge, this is the most wonderful thing I've seen on here. You are great and have such beautiful talent and imagination. WOW!!!

12-27-2014, 10:35 PM
Looks fantastic :D You've done a wonderful job on this!

12-28-2014, 09:01 AM
Just fantastic ,wonderful idea a psychotic innocent looking toddler with a canon :) Brilliant.
How are you going to top this one?

12-28-2014, 12:22 PM
Thanks family!!!
Trumper, well, I'm repainting a couple of old ones... but the next new one will be the swamp dragon staring Miss Samantha (the pirate baby) at age 8. might make her an angel. I'm not sure.

Dana Design
12-29-2014, 11:02 AM
It's amazing! And, it looks finished to me. Really superior work, T.

12-29-2014, 01:58 PM
Thank you Dana! Your opinion means a lot to me.

12-29-2014, 02:38 PM
It's absolutely wonderful! Her expression is terrific. Shes so cute and menacing. I love this painting.

12-31-2014, 03:04 PM
stunning as usual, i always learn stuff from your work
and ... i'll always (it seems) question purple ... it jumps out too much for me, is it just me or is the value too strong?
love the dusty green of the jacket (and bling) very much!

a greyscale to ponder, just cause it's fun


01-03-2015, 10:02 AM
Hey La,

I have considered doing an under painting in a brown or dark green but I dont want to I guess. I dont want to lose a common thread between my paintings. I am working towards a series of paintings of children employing their imaginations. Bringing it to life. So besides the color harmony I aim for in a painting, I'm also aiming for harmony in the whole family of paintings. If its of any consolation, my husband is really sick of the purple too. but he really has little interest in art. If I wanted to paint something for him it would have to be architectural.

Sadly the photo I posted was taken on my phone. I feel like the whole thing has a glare issue. but I am pondering the black and white. Feeling like I could pump up the white here and there. thanks!

Dana Design
01-03-2015, 03:08 PM
To my eyes, the values are spot on and are very well balanced. I'd love to see a really good photo of this enlarged. It's just super excellent and YES, you've come a looooong way from where you started. The talent was always there, Teresa, but you had to find the patience...and...you've found it! Hoorah!

01-04-2015, 06:29 PM
Thanks Dana, it really means a lot to me. Thank you!

03-31-2015, 11:44 AM
If I might ask Theresa, how long would you need to leave the painting to dry after completing the underpainting? I assume there will be plenty of muddying when it doesn't dry properly first. I have started a painting in purple and was wondering...

Thanks Theresa.

03-31-2015, 02:40 PM
Just re read the whole thread from the start ,still a fantastic read and great explanations :) :thumbsup:

04-28-2015, 02:52 AM
It looks amazing!!

Did you mean to make the sea stormy? If so, I think the light is great..

If not, in my humble opinion, some tiny white adjustments would add a bit of life to it. Bring up some details. Especially on the background and the woodwork of the ship.

You are super talented! :)