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elenyte
07-19-2003, 04:28 PM
Hi,

I'd like to try making clayprints. I understand that white stoneware clay is what I need to use. It's "self centered" or "self centering" clay, too.

Does anyone have any idea what clay product I should ask for when I go to purchase it?

Thanks in advance,
Elenyte

timelady
07-21-2003, 05:22 AM
Well, to be honest I'd never heard of clay prints. So I did a quick search... I found a lovely artist site and this site:
http://www.2doors.com/01sites/makeartordie/html/artwork/clay-print.htm
A short article about the process from an artist:
http://rosenthalgroup.net/artweb/mitch/monoprint2.html (this article is posted on a lot of the resulting sites)

By the way I searched for 'clay prints', 'clay monoprint', 'how to make clay print'. Sounds like you need regular clay, the white clay (kaolin), pigments (not paint), and the cloth to print on. Sounds rather cool to me! The nice thing is you don't need a press but it looks like you get a lot of deep texture.

Thanks for asking! Even though i can't help (:() you've given me some inspiration. :) If you do find a site with more info on exact materials PLEASE do post it! I'll let you know if I find out anything more.

Tina.

elenyte
07-21-2003, 12:17 PM
Hi Tina,

Thanks so much for the links!

I first found out about clayprinting when I was looking at Shaw Guides.com for any art workshops here in Colorado. There was one place in Colorado Springs that offered a workshop. Here is the web page that has pictures. http://tinyurl.com/hkr2

I gleaned a little bit of advice from it. They use interfacing cloth to make the prints. That's easy enough to find at the fabric shop. But the instructions site you posted is a gold mine.

Now, I just need to find the right clay. It's got to be white sandstone and have self centering properties. I just sent an email to Mitch Lyons asking about his video. It's the perfect solution since I can't spare the time to take a workshop out of town.

Bye for now!

timelady
07-21-2003, 01:35 PM
Here in London there are a few specialist ceramics shops with every kind of clay you can imagine (a good friend is a ceramicist). Maybe ask over in the sculpture forum if there's some ceramicists in there? (we don't seem to have a ceramics category here) I can't imagine why you'd need self-centering clay - you're not throwing it (on a wheel). A task I've had to watch often with my friend! :) But if you can find a local ceramicist they also might be able to tell you where you can find the clays you need.

Tina.

sassybird
07-23-2003, 09:24 AM
When you find out what to use, and begin your experiments please post them here. I have heard of stone prints, but not clay ones. I am interested to see what you come up with.

Leigh
07-23-2003, 12:01 PM
I have a book called Ceramics and Print by Paul Scott. I've had it for some time but have never really done anything with it. Maybe in the future but it has some really interesting techniques and such. One of those "just have to have it".

In the book, he uses porcelain.

Found it on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0812218000/qid=1058976249/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-4515776-4553463?v=glance&s=books#product-details

elenyte
07-23-2003, 12:20 PM
Hi,

I've ben emaiing with Mitch Lyons and wil be ordering his video. Here's what he said in email - "You will need to buy some stoneware clay for the base, and China Clay for the pigments".

From the web page of the folks who give classes in this method down in Colorado Springs, I gathered that they use all sort of mediums for putting color down on the clay including chalks. I'll know more when I get Mitch's video. He's going to Santa Fe in a few days and won't return until mid August. So, I won't have any more information until after that.

His web page has some good information on his method. So, you might be able to get started. He says to use white stoneware clay. After he's finished making prints, I think he fashions the clay into something and fires it. Since I don't have a kiln, I might wind up with a fragile painted clay tablet! Or perhaps a stepping stone that you can't really step on? :D

timelady
07-23-2003, 03:00 PM
Hmm...I'm pretty sure that if you haven't fired the clay you can re-wet it and use it again. Of course, it may have traces of the other clay/pigments in it but if you squish it all up and remade the slab you might be okay just for printmaking. (it's a problem when firing because mixtures of clay types can cause cracking and stuff) I'll ask my friend at the studios. There is a definite no-no with using stoneware and porcelein together in the same piece if you're putting it in a kiln (if both are unfired). I thought Mitch's article said he stopped using porcelein for the pigment slips, so maybe that's partly why? (since he does fire the pieces)

Tina.

elenyte
07-23-2003, 03:27 PM
I wondered about the porcelian, too, Tina. Seems like I read somewhere, either in Mitch's web pages or the one here in Colorado, that they stopped using porcelain.

Having a small slab with the remaining pattern might be fun to set into a sheltered flower bed outdoors. But I have never worked with any clay except polymer, so this is all new to me. I think that since I work in abstracts, there's a lot of room for those "happy" mistakes.

I also wonder if it's imperitive to use the China Clay pigments for doing the painting. I think it's going to be fun with the trial and error at the start. At least this can all be done with very small prints. I can see laying down several small rectangles of clay on the wood base and trying out different mediums to see how it all works out.