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Octopus Inc.
07-19-2012, 09:45 PM
initial stage, getting a composition together...any ideas, suggestions? This will be painted out in oil. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jul-2012/1088692-the_trip.jpg

Debzy
07-20-2012, 03:44 AM
Very interesting drawing... lot to take in! I hope he doesn't fall to the bottom like the other guy? I am keen to see where you go with this in colour and oils. Good luck! So far I like it. Cheers Debs. =))

Dana Design
07-20-2012, 10:52 AM
The legs of the angel on the viewer's left appear inordinately long?

An ambitious drawing! Please keep us updated on your progress.

Octopus Inc.
07-20-2012, 02:49 PM
[QUOTE=Dana Design]The legs of the angel on the viewer's left appear inordinately long?

By Jupiter, you're right! I'll be changing that straight away. And I'm having a bit of an issue with the cherubs up top... They just don't seem to be in the "flow" of the thing.. Thanks for the nice comments too... The guy on the bottom and the one being raised up are the same person, at least they are supposed to be. haha.

Andrewcody
07-20-2012, 11:27 PM
There is a problem with your point of perspective in the drawing.

You need to determine where your eyeline is and then draft the figures accordingly

This was made more obvious reading that the bottom figure is the same as the figure being raised up. There is a real mix here, the Cherubs which you are having trouble with have heads larger than figures mid ground or at the bottom, which would indicated a top down view point, however the figure at the bottom has a head and body larger than the uplifted figure, which would indicate a bottom up view point....

Usually for this sort of image there is a bottom up view point taken to add to the grandeur and glory aspect of looking up to the heavens ( if you believe that sort of thing )

Is this supposed to be Jupiter? Jupiter was the guy with Lightning Bolts and Eagles.

Andrew

Octopus Inc.
07-22-2012, 09:01 PM
Man, Andrew good eye... I have to admit it took a bit of work for me to come to grips with what you were saying. But in the end I think the advice is quite sound. So wonderful to have the input of so many talented folks... And no, he's not Jupiter per se, but more of a Divine healer. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jul-2012/1088692-the_trip_2.jpg

Moises Menendez
07-23-2012, 07:02 AM
What about the cadeceous? It may be too short?
Moe

Octopus Inc.
07-23-2012, 11:21 AM
What about the cadeceous? It may be too short?
Moe
Indeed you're right. I noticed this as well but had already shot the photo so it'll have to wait until the next installment for correction. Thanks for commenting.

Andrewcody
07-24-2012, 03:36 AM
I guess it would depend on whether you were representing a Greek divine healer?

Mushrooms and a flying saucer? :)

Ok divine healer - give him some head hair, or his credibility is shot

Andrew

Octopus Inc.
07-24-2012, 09:07 PM
Haha! So that's why Jesus always has such luxurious locks... and here I just thought he was a hippie. The caduceus I used more as a symbol for healing than as an identifier for the figure holding them... and the saucers and shrooms, well those are for a touch of ambiguity, "It was God!".. "No, it was aliens!" ... "No no, you're both wrong, it was the mushrooms."

Wahsuzy
07-24-2012, 09:44 PM
Lol!!! I like it. Well done. Can't wait to see it painted:)

Andrewcody
07-24-2012, 11:01 PM
Why do they want the Bondi Life Saver?

Octopus Inc.
07-25-2012, 04:33 PM
Well, he is one of them, but I think their interest could be chalked up to simple benevolence. I suspect he needs them a hell of a lot more than they need him at the moment.

TX Rose
08-01-2012, 11:29 AM
Well, I'm intrigued. It's the type of piece open to interpretation, as already indicated, and one that viewers will notice in any gallery. Guess I need to pull out some books but I thought "the gods" had long, white hair to match their beards. Looking forward to watching your progress on this one.

Andrewcody
08-01-2012, 08:33 PM
TX Rose only the Goddesses had the long flowing beards :)

Octo - looking forward to the painting

Andrew

Octopus Inc.
08-23-2012, 05:16 PM
Ok, it's been a while, but here is a little color study i've worked up using a photo copy and some colored pencils. I've been trying to be a bit more deliberate about the way I go about these paintings, and I think that the more information I have before I get started the better.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Aug-2012/1088692-IMG_0649.JPG

Octopus Inc.
09-03-2012, 05:41 PM
Oil on panel, 28.5" x 35.25"
Beginning the under painting here using transparent red ochre, my new favorite pigment for underpainting, diluted with turps.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2012/1088692-314214_3745068192232_542992613_n.jpg

Wahsuzy
09-03-2012, 06:22 PM
I like it. Please post ALOT. I want to try a portrait soon in oils and would love to study what you are doing;). Thanks for the nice comment on my hibiscus:) glad I have not over done it!!

Octopus Inc.
09-06-2012, 01:22 AM
Thanks. A lot of it is experimental, and I'm trying new things all the time but, I'll try to explain what I'm doing if it helps. The lighting is not great on this, but I'm just continuing to work on the underpainting here, using the same transparent red ochre and turp mix as before. I'm trying to give the forms some of their basic structure and depth and trying to figure out where I want my lights and darks.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Sep-2012/1088692-253124_3753294877894_601164673_n.jpg

Octopus Inc.
09-06-2012, 09:42 PM
The surface is 1/4" hardboard, back supported with a hardwood frame, acrylic gessoed 5 coats, sanded between layers and painted over with a coat of flake white oil thinned with turpentine and allowed to dry. I go over all the lines with the thinned transparent red ochre paint and a small round brush with a good point, thinner on the edges that are reflecting light, thicker on edges in shadow. I then go back and blend the edges into the figure to create form and texture. I do a small area and blend, while the paint is still very fresh on the surface, (it dries fairly quickly when it's put on this thin.) I take a lot of care to keep the white areas white, and to make the transitions between light and dark as smooth as possible. I often use my finger to blur and smudge lines and a hand towel to restore an area to near white, even after it's already been painted over, (handy for creating highlights.) A caution as to flake white; it is made from lead and this ought to be kept in mind when using one's fingers to paint, and other oil pigments, for that matter, contain all manner of nasty such and such. So, Be mindful. I thin the paint with turpentine, I fatten it with linseed oil. I never use any other medium, not that I've anything against different mediums, I've just never had any great luck with them. If you encounter any errors in my methods, I hope you will point them out. I need all the help I can get.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Sep-2012/1088692-304338_3756284112623_147928724_n.jpg

Octopus Inc.
09-11-2012, 06:26 PM
A bit further along....
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Sep-2012/1088692-546245_3774033716352_412490349_n.jpg

crafor
09-11-2012, 09:56 PM
This is looking really good.
Ella

Octopus Inc.
09-18-2012, 08:15 PM
Thanks Ella, the feedback really does help.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Sep-2012/1088692-222065_3798784495106_1264211927_n.jpg

Octopus Inc.
09-21-2012, 06:22 PM
here we go... a little more color now, but still a long way from home...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Sep-2012/1088692-304950_3809184075089_1621085513_n.jpg