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Ereath
06-28-2000, 09:43 PM
Hi people,

any fellow casein painters out there?
I just discovered this most beautyfull medium,to then find the manufacturer (Shiva)
is closing down. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif

Well I'm gonna start making my own.That'll
be intresting,never tried that before...


Take care,Ernst

rapolina
06-29-2000, 03:22 AM
HI!
I'm interested in everything new ti me: what is casein painting? which effects can be got?
thank you and ciao,
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif rapolina

Ereath
06-29-2000, 10:42 AM
Hiya Rappolina,


Casein is a protein found in milk and cheese.It's extracted from the milk and mixed with an alkali to form a strong glue which is the binder of the paint.It is
somewhat similar to egg tempera,it will emulsify with both water- and oil based paints,and also has a matte surface that can be buffed to a soft sheen.


However,it's much more suited for
loose and impressionistic strokes than is egg tempera.I suppose I find it to be
a lean oil paint somehow.It dries fast like
tempera and acrylics,but doesn't become waterinsoluble for a week or so.Even
though it's easy to overpaint right away,you can also blend the new strokes into the former layer if it's still fresh.

It is recommended that one uses a rigid
surface as wood or masonite,but I've also
used it on canvas succesfully.It's far
more flexible than other watermedia,exept
acrylics of course.

I love it because the ease of manipulation,
the softness of the paint itself,and a final
appearance I can only describe,whatever the content matter,as "natural".


From what I hear they used to be very
popular in the US in the 40's -60's,but
gradually acrylics pushed them off the market.Shiva survived til just recently,when
they closed down....leaving me devasted for
some hours,which has now turned into the resolve to make my own.I imagine there'll
be quite a lot of Trial and Error! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif


Take care,Ernst

Ereath
06-29-2000, 09:53 PM
Hi Sgtaylor,

I'll actually just use a recipe found
on the net,at:

www.sinopia.com (http://www.sinopia.com)

I suppose I should get a book or something
but it seems to always come down to trial and error for me anyhow.

I'll hopefully be able to go to Sandnes
on Saturday and get casein powder.
Can't wait http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Take care, Ernst

sgtaylor
06-30-2000, 12:53 AM
Ernst -

Your description of the properties of casein interests me greatly. I have a fair amount of experience with egg tempera, but have recently been looking at other media.

Please keep us informed of your progress in formulating your own paint.

What sources are you going to be using - Doerner... Mayers...? Just curious.

W. Collier
07-04-2000, 08:19 AM
Hello Ernst:

I don't want to get your hopes up too high, but from what I understand, Shiva was bought by another company. I have a friend who was looking for their Permasol oils. When she called Shiva, they redirected her to this other company. I don't know the name, but maybe I could find it for you. Not sure either what products they took over, but you could ask them if I get you the info.

I'll post back when I get something.

Wanda

Ereath
07-04-2000, 09:07 AM
Wanda,

from what I hear Jack Richeson &co
has taken over Shiva Casein Colors,I just
heard that from another Casein painter.I've
sendt an email to the company;haven't gotten the reply yet.I'm so happy about this.


...so if everything works out,I'll postpone my paintmaking for a while.I admit
I feel kinda sad still about Shiva's demise.
They made a great product and had been doing it for quite some time.

Take care,Ernst

Phyllis Franklin
11-09-2000, 04:07 PM
Here ya go Ernst. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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