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06-29-2012, 05:26 PM
Dimension: 12 x 24
Allow digital alterations?: Yes!
I brought a statue to life. This statue is in the Louve. From the marble statue, I created this painting using one of my photos as a background.
MY QUESTIONS FOR THE GROUP:
No special requests. Please comment on anything that you feel could improve this painting while it is still on my easel and still wet.
little something odd going on where their shoulders meet
the skin seems cool, what colors were you using?
lovely poses, well done, but i think you haven't quite fully brought this statue flesh to life just yet.
06-30-2012, 11:47 AM
Are you referring to the where the arm goes over the shoulder? I mix up my flesh tones and then I add violets and chrome green for the shadowed areas where I want cool shadows. Where I want warmer shadows, I add a touch of cadmium red or some other warm color. Do you think that I should have used a warmer tone here?
07-02-2012, 11:59 AM
Wonderful idea. And the rendering is fine tho agree it feels flat. Hair is withot life or light.
Can you glaze some more warmth in the flesh? And perhaps one more go at lightest lights and warm shadows...
07-03-2012, 11:56 AM
Here is the present state of my painting. I've warmed up the bodies and given more attention to the hair. Please comment on the results.
07-03-2012, 02:03 PM
This is looking very good to me. I wonder, though, if their skin tones should be the same, which would be pretty unusual and is a bit static. Maybe the woman fairer. Although this does create some separateness.
Did a photoshop with the man slightly more tanned or rugged, too, minor adjustments, but am getting a warning about the risky behaviors on the website when trying to upload it.
07-03-2012, 02:12 PM
Here she is fairer and his skin is tanned more brown.
<a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ubDklopKDs18XNeekomZFHjAsEdwCBWKT4mCmH72Y9I?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0r3_TybnCwc/T_M1KXMxPzI/AAAAAAAAAEM/qurDzk2tdQ8/s800/statue%2520couple%25202.jpg" height="506" width="263" /></a>
Here she is fairer and his skin is just darkened, still pink tones.
<a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HSn2Ehe39-JRhXG3bWAWyXjAsEdwCBWKT4mCmH72Y9I?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-32JWbrt0oNg/T_M1KVVobzI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/S8S4USYwcRE/s800/statue%2520couple.jpg" height="508" width="264" /></a>
07-03-2012, 03:52 PM
I could go there. Maybe they consider these nudes and thus the warning. I guess I should have checked nude when I downloaded them. I could give him more of a sun tan or a more rugged complection. I'll work on it.
Thanks for the suggestion,
07-04-2012, 12:25 AM
Have to admit when I first looked I thought it was two females.
The male on the left appears shorter, so guess that added to the perception.
Skin tone - check Von Luschan's chromatic scale for skin tones - there are very few of us who are actually pink pink ( even when sun burnt ).
My only real problem is the balance of the woman figure - where are her feet?
Should we not see at least one foot?
07-04-2012, 07:10 AM
Funny, I thought it was two women at first too. I think it's the curve of his waist .
<a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FaWyWyJcwxu_kzwlZ5M9UdeIpAEHLaN5dL1p9eItUYo?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9Pts1wcvkB4/T_Qj9WKlmiI/AAAAAAAAAE8/Rj19shXxySI/s800/statue%2520couple%25203.jpg" height="504" width="263" /></a>
07-04-2012, 07:24 AM
Fascinating series of crits and responses by Phil. Before adding my 2 cents, I would like to say, THIS IS THE FREAKIN' BEST PAINTING YOU'VE EVER DONE, PHIL. YOU NAILED A CHALLENGING SUBJECT. WE ARE NOT WORTHY. IT'S THRILLING TO SEE YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
OK, now for the 2 (or more) cents. I take the point that the hair could be improved and you did it. Regarding the skin tone circus, let's all consider that the reproduction of subtle hue differences could be lost in the photographing or posting of the image. That said, I felt like your first post was basically good save that the shadowing seemed a bit too gray. Your correction, to me, was too red. All of Songbird's photoshops seem to get the balance right. But this is petty stuff since you nailed the drafting and tonality. A+ also for the detail work on the ground and railing decorations. YOU DA MAN! I did also think it was two women. Maybe give the guy a buzz cut?
07-04-2012, 08:35 AM
I really like it with the mans waist a bit lower (compliments of songbird), I can tell the difference of the sexes now. It is really a very well crafted work Phil and I give you credit for trying a double nude! 10 out of 10 from me, and I also love the work in the scene, really well done. Cheers. Debs. =))
07-04-2012, 11:22 AM
You guys make me feel proud. I work hard on my paintings but they don't always come out as I had hoped. I do think that the photograph has accentuated the pink color. My original is not so pink. Getting accurate photographs to present isn't easy even though I use good lighting and calibrate my white balance. Thank you all for your comment and some have helped me improve this piece. I did make the body of the lady a little fairer and I did work on the hair. I too thought, when I first saw these statues that they were two females, but after considering the musculature of the figure on the left I came to the conclusion that it was a he. As for showing the legs of the women, it wasn't in the statue and I did carefully craft the folds of the body cloth as the were. Thanks again for your wonderful help.
07-04-2012, 03:47 PM
great idea. I like having the two figures slightly separate skin tones. I thought it was a guy at first sight, because of the extra muscle in his upper arm. I like your greens and blues in the background. I think the blending is a bit hard, but difficult to see with such small photos. I agree with songbird about lower, straighter waist for the guy.
07-04-2012, 10:01 PM
You have done very well Phil, not an easy subject to paint.
07-05-2012, 11:31 AM
Allison, My model for this painting was a statue in the Louvre. The statue was in white marble and I don't know who the artist was. However, that is the form created by that artist and I didn't deviate from it. I do think that I would have spoiled the proportions if I tried. I must admit that I'm not yet there were I can competently make such changes. Wish I were. Thank you for your observations. I'll keep trying to make better pieces of art.
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