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Shehaub
03-13-2001, 11:46 AM
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I am trying to get the feeling that the first person is looking through glass at the person they are trying to touch here. When I ask others, they immediately think I am making a person in a mirror. Help!

This is a work in progress. (arent they all?) I appreciate any comments or suggestions on any part of it. Every piece is just a learning tool for the next one. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

nnelson1
03-13-2001, 01:49 PM
Please disregard my previous post.
Just havin' a day dyslexic, guess I!

kciN

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There is no spoon...

Shehaub
03-13-2001, 02:45 PM
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Here is one idea I am playing with to get the effect I am looking for. I am not sure about the background just yet. I am hoping that the addition of the reflection will help the viewer understand that there are two sides to this glass, as well as pull that hand back where I intended it to go. I may need to play with shadows. Its kind of important that shes trying to touch his eye. (Part of my symbolism)

This is photoshop.

nnelson1
03-13-2001, 06:45 PM
I think you're really on the right track. Her reflection in the glass helps the illusion. Working monochrome makes this challenging, eh? But it's going to be worth it when you're done.

Nice job! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Chairs!

Nick

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There is no spoon...

Spectra7
03-13-2001, 10:27 PM
I will try to give some good advice here. I have been taught that making transparency work is a matter of contrast. You must understand that glass does distort light and will reduce the contrast by a perceptable amount etherwise you truely wouldn't see it. I would suggest that you make the hands in front of the glass of a higher contrast range than the skin tones behind the glass so you produce the same effect as glass in real life.

The other isssue is the problem you have created by your choice of composition. The person behind the glass has no arms or hands and the person in front of the glass has no body. Due to the persistance of the human mind to connect objects in to a higher ordered state, your mind will try to put those arms on the body behind the glass even though it is not quite right. If you were to expand the composition to at least show the upper arms of the man, you will help avoid this trick of the mind.

The last suggestion is in the quality of the cracks in the glass. Be careful not to make then to soft. The eye reads edges with remarkable exactness and if the cracks look soft the whole plane of glass can vanish.

I hope this helps you

Good luck

Gene

Shehaub
03-13-2001, 11:27 PM
Oh! Oh! Ooohhh! Thank you Gene!

That was very helpful. If you only knew how many times this canvas has been expanded... No.. nobody should admit that in public.

Lets just say it was just a left hand for practice. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/redface.gif

.. but since I am going there (again), I think I have a good idea on how his arms will be.

My hubby is really going to cringe when he sees the size of this one. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

nnelson1
03-14-2001, 12:35 AM
Very good start!
The problem is that the hands are not reflected in the mirror. This makes it look as though there are two people, one on one side of the glass and one on the other. Put the hand and arm reflections in and you'll get your idea across with no problems! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Thanks for showing this. Photoshop?

Cheers!

Nick

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CkA
03-14-2001, 12:55 AM
Nick, It is supposed to be 2 people... not a mirror.

COOL piece!

{{{Nick}}},

I agree, "there is no spoon"! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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CkA
03-14-2001, 12:58 AM
The right hand appears to be BEHIND the glass about to touch the person. The left hand is in front of the glass. You need to bring the right hand in front of the glass by bringing it back to the same plane as the left. Or,leave it where it is and add another break if it is already through the glass.

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pixtur
03-14-2001, 04:23 PM
I am still a beginner...

my suggestion would be to atd shadow of the hands to surface of the glass. Add more contrast to the hands to bring them to the foreground. Increase the intensity of the reflection in the handīs shadows.
Maybe add some reflection to the glas. Maybe some dirt or so...

Here is my try, but I think I messed it all up. :-)

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sorry

tom


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pixtur
03-14-2001, 04:31 PM
I knew I shouldnīt have said nothing!
The handīs shadow must meet the fingerīs tip at the glass, of course! Stupid idiot of myself...

sorry again :-)

Shehaub
03-15-2001, 11:57 AM
When I expand the canvas, it was like taking a step back. That was fine, but then I lost the feeling that the person trying to touch the man could be you. I didnt notice that I was after that feeling until I lost it.

I think the dirt and light on the glass will probably be my best option. I like what you have done here. It makes sense and keeps the feeling I was trying to capture intact.

I have never worked with a message or purpose before. This is a fun new experience for me. I love the challenges.

digistyle
03-17-2001, 02:15 PM
Hi, Shehaub.

I've been meaning to comment on this piece and never got to it. I know how hard it is to portray a figure behind a glass surface. I tried it in a mermaid painting (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/36/completed/digistyle/kiddmermaid.jpg) . My intent was for it to appear that the mermaid was swimming along and unexpectantly encountered the viewer's moniter (sort of like fish in an fishbowl.)

I tried a few things like reflective streaks, reflected light in the corners of the screen, using the viewer's shadow, using the viewer's reflection, etc. None of those gave me what I was looking for. I finally resolved the problem by having my wife press her fingertips to a piece of plexiglass. I then did a quick sketch looking at her hand straight on from my side of the glass. Most people who commented on the piece got my intended message.

I know this isn't the same situation that you are portraying, but I hope that you might find something in my process that'll help you resolve your piece.

digistyle

pixelscapes
03-21-2001, 07:49 PM
Seems like this is really coming along... everybody's apparently had GREAT suggestions, Gene mentioned a few I was going to say, myself. Keep us posted (so to speak) on progress, or when you declare it finished? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

-=- Jen "Glassy stare" de la Cruz

Shehaub
03-22-2001, 11:31 AM
http://haubworld.org/art/dad.shtml

I have come to a stopping point. I am at that place where anything I do seems to subtract, rather than add to the feeling I was after with this. I put it up on a page to test its viewability. I will one day make my own art page again. (If work will slow down enough to allow me to do that)

This particular image was very good art therapy.

TeAnne
03-23-2001, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by nnelson1:
I think you're really on the right track. Her reflection in the glass helps the illusion. Nice job! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


I agree, looking very good. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif


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