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Grace
12-15-2000, 09:45 PM
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Here are two Photos. One had been cropped and the other not. My friend took these months ago - it is his grandmother house long - abandoned and the vines as you can see have long taken over. The roof has fallen in and the forest has reclaimed! He wishes to make a gift of this photo to his sister for old time sake -but is unhappy with the original crop! Would anyone here like to offer his or her (much-appreciated) opinion? I also thought this would make a great painting. My friend always invisions his grandmother in the darkened doorway of the cropped version (the door is missing in this long abandoned house.) Any PhotoShop guru's wishing to take at stab at that - please do!

Loney
12-16-2000, 09:00 AM
I think the cropped picture is the best, but can your friend pin point why he is not happy with it? There would be a lot of editing of top branches to get a wider view. I also wonder if a faded picture of his grandmother actually standing in the doorway would be interesting.

Good Luck and I love this house.

Deena

Kevin M
12-16-2000, 09:17 AM
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Grace
12-16-2000, 10:49 AM
I really like this cropping suggestion, Kevin http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Indeed, this picture was cropped to eliminate the dead foliage in the foreground and some was digitally removed in PhotoShop LE. Dealing with the foliage was a little daunting. What technique did you use here? I really would like to know because I am a PhotoShop novice

Thanks. This is exactly the kind of response I was hoping for and would appreciate additional input.


This was type by my friend, the photographer of this picture. Thanks all, Grace.

Shriner
12-16-2000, 11:02 PM
oops - didn't see this until just now. Yes, knocking out the vines hanging in the foreground would have been my suggestion, too. The only way to make it look really good is for you to email a large file of the image to start with...

Let me know if I can help - it looks like Kevin knows his stuff, so maybe you are ok.

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Kevin M
12-17-2000, 12:42 AM
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Grace,

I am not familiar with the tools that are available in Photoshop LE.
I used the Clone tool (rubber stamp) in the circled areas to overlay the branches. I also used the Dodge tool to lighten or darken the shadow areas. I applied Free Transform to straighten the verticals in the right door. I selected the cloned areas and sharpened them with Unsharp Mask since multiple clones often appear blurred. Finally I used Curves and Hue/Saturation to match the edited image as near as possible with the original.

joemajury
12-17-2000, 01:21 PM
Ive been taking photos for years and I think the cropped version is much better.
It all depends on taste though.
I think the Archways and doorways are great the way they are framed into the picture,and wouldnt alter it myself,of course if you have the tools to do you job, then why not, but why change wots not broke!
Joe

Grace
12-17-2000, 04:44 PM
Kevin, thanks for explaining what you did! The screen shot does not look like Photo Shop 4LE and some of the tools you mention do not exist- at least not in that form! The good news is we got Photoshop 6.0 yesterday! Havenít even loaded it yet and wonít have time to start learning to use it till after the First anyway. I do admire the skill you showed in altering that photo! I hope it doesnít take too long to get a basic skill level. We (as in me and my photographer friend) have only used Photo Shop LE a little and have very limited abilities with it! I guess you have to start somewhere!

Shriner I do have the TIFF file, not here at home, but at office. I can e-mail it to you, and if you wanted to show what to do, I would appreciate it! If you decide you donít have time or itís too much work, I would understand! In fact that sort of thing would make a great project for the digital artistsÖ.Post a photo with a lot of problems and see how others alter it to make a work of art!

Joe- This photo has a lot of sentimental value to the photographer (not me) and has been fiddled with extensively! There will be no chance to photograph this again. I am sure this will be printed in several different versions as this is a memento piece to be given to relatives (Grandmother house you know!) I also really like the realtionship of the arches i nthe cropped version, but it was not the view that the photographer associated with the memories of the house.

Kevin, Shriner and Joe - Happy Holidays to you! And Thanks again! Grace

Kevin M
12-18-2000, 05:03 AM
Grace,

You have made a right decision in acquiring version 6. From what I hear, it is a significant upgrade of an already great application. The fastest way to familiarise yourself with it is to use an image like the one above that is of personal interest to you.
Also I have no doubt that Shriner will be a great help to you on this forum.

Happy Christmas

Shriner
12-19-2000, 09:47 PM
sure - email me the file (biggest file you feel comfortable sending, but nothing over 2MB, please). If you send it as a JPEG, send it at the highest quality you can (10 or 12 depending on the version you are using).

Yeah, I can give you a step by step that shows not only how it can be done (there are dozens of ways) but why I prefer to work as I do.

not a problem! my email is linked below

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Shriner
12-19-2000, 09:48 PM
actually, if you have more then one photo, send a selection of the best ones...

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Shriner
12-29-2000, 03:58 PM
Grace:

Can you email me the first image, too? I have the other one you sent, but I can use some elements from your other image, too, and I want to show you why I would use both...

Thanks! I could hoark the one here, but it is such a tiny image... talk to you soon! I am helping Digitstyle out with an image, too, so I will do that one first and get to yours after you send the other image...

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Grace
01-02-2001, 09:14 PM
Thanks so much Shriner, the file was sent to you this afternoon. I have been out of town and puterless for much longer than I anticipated. Just got back today!

Grace

Shriner
01-17-2001, 06:37 PM
Grace:

I dropped the ball on this one. As you probably noticed, I have been really really busy and haven't even been visiting the forum - missing lots of things, I assume.

I will try to get back to this some day. I hope you weren't in a rush!

Thanks for your patience

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Grace
01-20-2001, 07:04 PM
Thanks Shriner for remembering me! I am in no particular hurry, but I am curious to see how you work in photoshop. I am a real novice with that program, I have only used 4.0 LE anyway.