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nnelson1
06-05-2001, 09:13 AM
Seems awhile ago, a lot of artists here were very excited about Ebay and the exposure/sales they were getting. I haven't heard much lately.
Just curious: what's the general consensus? A good experience? A bad one? Ho-Hum? Or Ya-hoo?

Fill us in!

Cheers,

Nick

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Cindy
06-05-2001, 09:28 AM
Nick,

Ebay nearly destroyed me as an artist. I sold $1500 worth of old paintings and related commissions in a couple of months.

During this time I couldn't paint anymore and it made me sick. I stopped about a month ago. I think the mixing of selling & art just isn't for me.

This past weekend I painted 3 pieces. All just for me. My family noticed the recovery and the difference in the work.

At least I got rid of a big pile of old work that was under my bed...

nnelson1
06-05-2001, 09:46 AM
{{{Cindy}}}

Sorry to hear it wasn't a pleasant experience for you! We've all heard time and again how turning a passion into a business can destroy the passion. Guess you've seen this first hand, eh? I had the same experience with the music industry. You work and work and feel that "If only someone wanted my music". Then, when they do, it becomes a monster and you are no longer in control. The passion becomes an obligation, a duty,....a job!

Glad you found your way back home!

xxoo

Nick

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ArtyHelen
06-05-2001, 10:01 AM
I do pretty well on eBay. I enjoy doing both quality and 'just for fun' work, and then sticking it up for auction and seeing how it goes!

I don't think eBay is the place to get very much money for anything though - there are an awful lot of artists doing great work and getting peanuts for it on eBay. People want art, but they seem to want it for very low prices.

But it's fun, and it's the only real way I have to sell me work and get it 'out there'.

I have great fun with eBay!

Helen


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Paintbrush74
06-05-2001, 01:31 PM
I just sold my first painting on Ebay. It's a small piece, and for a low price, but I probably made a couple of dollars when it was all said and done.

I know that doesn't sound too good, but it's a start, and you have to crawl before you can walk. Those bidders on Ebay don't know me from Adam, so of course I need to build a reputation.

The first piece I posted, I got no bids on. This one that sold was the second one that I posted. I only got one bid, but that's ok. As I said, it's a start.

basia2
06-05-2001, 03:51 PM
Nick, i just posted for a first time some 'small' work at e-bay... so far nobody want it... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif.......i ask so little money that i'm not crazy about getting it...and to pay e-bay is not much...so ..i'm taking it easy..

i will not do anything especially for e-bay...i will be happy to sell my oil paintings at the price i like ...but it is not possible so i have to forget it....

basia



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leesmith
06-05-2001, 05:28 PM
I am using ebay for when I'm in between commissions, mostly smaller pieces 12 X 16 to 5 X 7, most unframed. Ideally, I would like to squeeze 1 painting a week on ebay, to keep my name out there. Sold 1 of mine in April, plus an antique print
( will never ship a glassed piece again!) Sold 2 more in May, and 1 more ending tomorrow with bids. So far, it's been rewarding and exciting.( I spent 2 months researching, getting accounts signed up, bought some stuff too to get my feedback number up to 10 quickly ). The best part is I have made new friends as a result of ebay, and have emails each week asking for particular paintings; which I oblige and asking for advance notice when I put a new one up. 2 sales have been on the Buy It Now Feature, which allows a bidder to eliminate the competition and purchase outright. I've had no bad experiences yet, no problems with shipping or getting paid. I do check feedback before I buy or sell. Also, getting commissioned pieces too as a result of my ebay contacts, from the family factor. I've noticed that the artists who are getting decent prices, have been selling for 8 mos to a year and a half; they develop a loyal following of collectors. Antique paintings of listed artists receive great prices into the $l,000's. I've also seen artists listing back in January for ten bucks, now receiving a couple hundred.There is a glut of large high quality art from overseas listing for $1.00 to $19.95, which I think makes it it difficult for certain subject matter to receive bids or really good prices. Ebay has a feature on the first page I believe that tells what are the most popular art subject sales. Believe it or not, THOMAS KINCAID, stuff gets really high bids! And I'm not even sure those are originals, probably not. The market for collector's edition prints or numbered prints is not good at all; ebayers seem to prefer original paintings.

timelady
06-06-2001, 12:43 AM
I'm still doing okay... it definitely has its ups and downs. And I still do work exclusively for eBay. (ie. sit down and say "this is a 2 day painting, not a 3 week painting") I'm not making much but 100 a month is better than a kick in the teeth. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

I hate the business side too (but don't mind selling the work itself - I like to see it go knowing it will have a happy new life on a wall!).

I just posted in the cafe that I did my accounting today. I spend about 30-40 a month on eBay fees. Some months I sell only that much - and it might be one 30 print after 3 weeks of nothing. Some months I do better. The way I see it I'm at least breaking even, getting rid of work that will only sit on my racks, and it's the cheapest internet advertising I've seen where at least I KNOW 100 people are looking at each painting (free counters on ebay and through auctionmanager).

Most of my hits on my own web site are from people who followed my link from an eBay auctions. (resulting in 4 non-ebay sales from ebay viewers in the last 7 months)

I think of eBay as my main form of advertising, rather than sales necessarily.

Tina.

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tammy
06-06-2001, 09:02 PM
I still see ebay as a venue for my Art. I wasn't selling anything anywhere until I went there. I sold 7 items in 3 months. That's 7 more than I sold the whole year before on my own. (1)
It has slowed down but then so have I. I haven't listed much in the last week or so.
I see ebay as only 1 of the venues for my art. I also have art at World Wide Art Resources. You can sell it there too though its not an auction.

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Roan
06-06-2001, 09:48 PM
I recently listed on eBay for the first time. Two pieces, one pastel and one colored pencil, and the colored pencil one sold for about 3/4 to 1/2 of what I can get locally, however, I didn't have to do any legwork, marketing or anything like what I normally have to do.

I've made enough money off that piece to buy myself a additional set of colored pencils. That's all I'm shooting for right now -reimbursement of my art supplies http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

I'm going to continue listing stuff here and there, and see what happens. Once I get a better feel for how things work, then I'll probably step up what I list on there and hopefully gain more and better sales via my web site (instead of eBay) as a result.

Dats the plan http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif


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leesmith
06-06-2001, 10:34 PM
Hi everybody,

Wanted to drop back in. I'm thrilled to say, just made my first international sale to UK tonight. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif My listing said US Buyers only but a lady emailed to ask if I would allow her to bid, told me to check her feedback, 46 purchases, all positive. A lot of the 46 were art purchases. FOR YOU WATERCOLORISTS AT WC, SHE LOVES LANDSCAPES WITH TREES IN SOFT MUTED COLORS! She snaps up many on the buy it now price which is usually quite a bit higher than the minimum bid price. She is also a repeat buyer. There were a couple other last minute bidders that ran the price up nicely too. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif The final prices are getting better.

To Roan: keep submitting similar works
( subject matter ) like the one that sold.
(Grazing?) And you are right to list more than 1 at a time.

You too, Paintbrush and Basia, keep at it!



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arteitaliana
06-06-2001, 11:45 PM
Out of curiosity after having read this thread, I had a look at eBay last night.
Prices seem very, very low, at least in the place I looked: Art and Antiques: painting.
Plus there is so much stuff that my computer froze after a while.
Am I looking in the right place? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/confused.gif

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Roan
06-07-2001, 12:28 AM
Rita:

That's where I listed, but I just found out from one of the horsey crowd that they mostly list under Collectibles, Animals, Horses or something similar.

Dunno if I will list there. It was a mumbo-jumbo mess of everything when I looked and i can't see someone with the money I want for my stuff lurking around there.

Yah, the stuff is really low priced -- prints, mostly -- which is why I was suprised when Grazing sold.

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Roan
06-07-2001, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by leesmith:
To Roan: keep submitting similar works
( subject matter ) like the one that sold.
(Grazing?) And you are right to list more than 1 at a time.

Yes, ma'am http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Same medium that sold, too. Pastels are a pain to ship.

It is hard for me to turn out more than 1 a week, although sometimes I manage 2 so my listings will be sporatic. Not so good http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Was also thinking of doing a few more ghost town paintings for listing. I have a bunch of reference photos and I think they might sell. Have to see http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif



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timelady
06-07-2001, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by Rita Monaco:
Out of curiosity after having read this thread, I had a look at eBay last night.
Prices seem very, very low,


Hope this doesn't sound too obvious. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Scan for items with bids. Starting prices are often low, but the sellers have set a secret "reserve price" - so the bids might only be at $30 but the reserve price could be anything, maybe $200 or 300. Also, bidders usually only get going the last few hours or last day on an auction, so just look at things by end date, ending today. Yes, there's still not much...

Prices ARE low. That's the problem, buyers are looking for a bargain. But items are only listed for 5-10 days so the turnover is quick. I list mine for 7 days and it could take a month (3-4 relisting) to sell a $150 painting.

personally, I think it's worthwhile for those of us who are not established in selling and need some sort of outlet while we pound the pavement in the real world. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I use ebay because I've just started up as self-employed. I have a lot of work in inventory, am painting a lot, have finally gotten into a juried show (July) and my own solo show (Sept), and am up for candidacy in a major society. These are great stepping stones but I still don't have a consistent income or a backlog of sales in the bank to work with, so eBay keeps my confidence up and bits of cash flowing in.

In another way it's like this great big mystery game and you have to figure out how it works... after a couple years I'm still not sure what the key is. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Tina.


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carly
06-08-2001, 12:23 AM
I started selling on ebay the first of May, this year. And sales have been very good for me. I list my small watercolors, no mats..no framing. I've noticed that the summer has slowed down a bit (you can tell by your viewers!) but I've still had sales. It's true, you do have to establish a clientele...even with ebay! And there is no real logic to the buyers preferences. Paintings with 'dogs' seem to be popular right now! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Cindy, I know how you feel about painting to sell! After being in a 'real' gallery for eight months..I felt that same burnout! I had sales but I didn't feel like I was doing my best work...I began to gear my work toward the client base! They wanted traditional work and I wanted to get more abstract! Now I can paint as abstract as I want!

I think auctions are viable for artists...but you have to decide what you want from the auction arena. If you paint quickly! and want to sell quickly....give it a try. If you invest weeks into a painting...expect it to take a lot longer to find an audience and to sell.

I enjoy the real contact with my buyers...some have purchased more than one painting. And I really like the total control over my business...which I don't have when a gallery sells for me. (I do have some paintings in a gallery now but its at 50% commission) Guess where I'm making my money!
carly

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carly
06-08-2001, 12:32 AM
Rita, I just wanted to respond to your comment....on the search when it list all the bids and items....that is probably not the bid at the moment on any one piece. I've seen things in search listed at $5 and then clicked on the actual auction and found that the bidding was up to $100 or more. If you look at the items closing that day...the bidding takes place in the final hours and prices jump quickly.

But....overall art does sell for less than you would find in a traditional gallery or perhaps from a show. No overhead...often no framing costs...no agents...all keep the costs down making for lower selling prices.

Also...the higher priced art market at ebay...($1000's and up and gallery sales) are usually private auctions! and you won't find those in your search.
carly

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leesmith
06-27-2001, 11:07 PM
Hi Carly,

I've noticed a "summer" slowdown too at ebay. This is pretty normal with everybody being outside more, yardwork, vacations, etc. But it's a great time to build a little inventory for the fall and Christmas season which looks great according to my research. Ebay is a great venue for down time when studio work is slack.

I really enjoy checking out your work, very colorful and expressive. There are several others here at WC that I search for too.

And you are right, there are many collectors there and repeat buyers. I'm going to keep at ebay, trying to put at least one a week on. I actually like it better than dealing with galleries and other venues; seems like a lot of lost time going to and from. In the time I would drive there and back, I can whip out a small painting.:D I like KNOWING who bought what and where it went and you don't have that with other venues. The email responses from ebayers are a wonderful boost.::clap: :clap:

cagathoc
06-30-2001, 08:54 PM
{{{Carly}}}

I'm so glad to hear that things are going well for you on ebay and that you are enjoying yourself. I knew your work would be a smash!:clap:

tammy
07-01-2001, 06:59 PM
I guess Summer got my auctions on ebay too as I haven't sold anything in about a month now on ebay.
I did take advantage of the last free listing Day. Now I'm on ebsq auctions too. There are no listing fees there.

leesmith
07-20-2001, 11:11 PM
Hey Tina,

Just had to bump this back up the thread.

When your solo show is over, will you give us some details and update on it? I will probably never have a solo show anywhere ever in my life so it would be fun for me to hear what it's like; what you did, what you heard, etc. I did eavesdrop one time at one of my group shows, hehe, I heard someone exclaim over one of my paintings, " OOOOh I love that! But, I wouldn't want it in my livingroom!" Ha ha, I was getting the bighead until that last part! I also read an article in Artist's Magazine about a guy who had an exhibit in a local restaurant and he showed up incognito just to listen to comments on his work. He said he it was enlightening and humiliating all at once; he left with a different vision for his work!

How is ebaying going for everybody???? Me, I sold another painting today! It was a little 8 X 10. Lady did a Buy It Now within a day of listing. :D :D :D Now, I gotta do another real soon. I like to have 2 up at a time wish I could get about 10 on at once. I'm telling you, it's addictive; I have other work to do but ebay is more fun; it's getting harder to tear myself away!

carly
07-23-2001, 12:40 PM
Just an update. I'm officially on vacation until the first of September from EBay! I'll be out of town for most of August to visit with my sister who lives in Portland, Oregon!

Everyone is having slower sales and fewer viewers right now anyway, so its a good time to relax!

I stopped on a good note....with an oil painting selling for $297! and the buyer just happened to be from Atlanta! He put the nicest feedback up with comments on my art, too. It's really nice to know how the buyer feels about the art when they receive it.

carly

tammy
07-23-2001, 08:50 PM
This thread is beginning to look like a ebay update list that cannot be ignored so here's mine .... again. :D

Still haven't sold anything on ebay in a month or two. Ebsqart.com
I haven't had any luck on but.....this last week I did sell a small piece on Epier.com. Oh, well that's the way it goes.

arteitaliana
07-24-2001, 02:04 AM
You guys have given me the eBay bug, which was agood thing ....now I know I will be able to pay my mortgage at the end of the month. Addictive experience, but quite good. In 15 days I listed 9 paintings and sold 7, plus I meet very nice people. I have noticed that even if the paintings sell for much less that I get form the gallery, I get feedback, peole telling me how much they love my work, and this has been great. I am much happier and paint better because of it. I also noticed that my prices have gone up in very short time and I really like the bidding battles at the last minute!! What can I say.... thanks, guys, for all the help and encouragement.:clap: Rita

leesmith
07-24-2001, 10:08 AM
Hi Rita!

That is wonderful news! Thanks for letting us know!

My paintings have sold for more elsewhere, but I haven't a clue who bought or where they went! I don't like that. I also don't like a manager AFTER my work has sold quickly for them, to look at each new piece that I bring in and say," Hmmmm, I don't know about THIS one!" THEN, I have to PUSH them to take it AFTERWHICH it sells in 1 day to 6 weeks THEN they keep 30%. I feel like sometimes they want you to beg, with ebay you don't have that psychological bullcrap. You have BIDS! And people actually at war with each other over your paintings! Then there's the public ebay feedback board! More vindication. Then there's the private emails! More adulation! That's WHY ebay is so addictive. :D

Lee

tammy
07-24-2001, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by leesmith
You have BIDS! And people actually at war with each other over your paintings! Then there's the public ebay feedback board! More vindication. Then there's the private emails! More adulation! That's WHY ebay is so addictive. :D

Lee

I wish! I sold quite a few on ebay that I would not have sold at all trying to sell in my town so I'm not complaining but the ones I've sold have had exactly one bid a piece and that was the winning bid! Well except for one and I think they accidently bid twice. :D Hey! send some of that adulation this way! ( Just Kidding). well gotta go pay my car insurance, yuk!

nnelson1
07-24-2001, 12:06 PM
Way to go, Rita! I'm happy to see this venue opening up for you.

Nick

arteitaliana
07-24-2001, 01:56 PM
I also don't like a manager AFTER my
work has sold quickly for them, to look at each new
piece that I bring in and say," Hmmmm, I don't know
about THIS one!"

YES!! EXACTLY I always feel depressed when I leave my gallery, and it lasts for a few days. I see the better painters, the better sellers, the bettere ass-licker, all on the wall beside my stuff and feel very small and..... maybe-I-should-not-paint-who-am-I-kidding feeling comes over me. Ebay on the other hand, is supportive, unsophisticated, average joe kind of place. My paintings are average, anyway. They are warm and human and just normal, I think, so the gallery does not find the "edge" they need to push the bull**** and sell at high prices.
I am glad to see space to be filled on my wall and know that the piece went to somebody that appreciates it.....That pushes me to fill that space, makes me relax about my mortgage, makes me more confident. Thanks ebay!!

:clap:

Dave Carter
07-25-2001, 10:43 AM
E-bay is in my plans, but like many of you, I dislike selling. To get around this and still get my work on e-bay I thought, wouldn't it be nice if someone esle could do it for me? So, I talked to my daughter, who is already selling her own line of goods on e-bay, if she would be willing to be my e-bay sales manager and she thought that would be a wonderful idea! She will establish the e-bay part and handle the sales (hopefully!) and I will ship the paintings and/or prints. This sort of arrangement may work for some of you. What do you think?

leesmith
07-25-2001, 01:37 PM
Hi Dave,

That sounds like a great idea and certainly solved the problem of freeing up some time for you! I do my own listing and shipping. Hubby has helped with packing a time or two. I don't mind packing unless it is a large piece, and they are a headache! The listing part gets faster and faster! Good luck. I look forward to seeing you on ebay soon!

Lee

timelady
07-26-2001, 06:35 AM
Just a couple quick notes:
1. It's FREE LISTING day on Australian eBay - go see the post in the cafe. Remember, if you're listed with any EBAY you can list on the Australian one. If you tick the 'will ship internationally' it will still show up on the US site when someone is browsing or searching.

2. I've been reading the eBay boards again, and apparently summer is the slowest time of year. That's a bit reassuring! After hitting my monthly sales targets for the first time every last month (incl. 2 non-ebay sales of "real" paintings) I've been quite down as I haven't sold *anything* yet this month. Not even a bloody 20 print. *sigh* But at least it's not just me!

Glad to hear others have the bug. :) I tried yahoo auctions again with no results, and very very very low numbers on the views counters so I won't be trying again.

Tina.

Dave Carter
07-26-2001, 11:03 AM
Hi Lee, Soon is a relative term and if I go at my normal speed this could be months or even years!!!!!! :confused:

tess2000
07-26-2001, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Rita Monaco
You guys have given me the eBay bug, which was agood thing ....now I know I will be able to pay my mortgage at the end of the month. Addictive experience, but quite good. In 15 days I listed 9 paintings and sold 7, plus I meet very nice people. I have noticed that even if the paintings sell for much less that I get form the gallery, I get feedback, peole telling me how much they love my work, and this has been great. I am much happier and paint better because of it. I also noticed that my prices have gone up in very short time and I really like the bidding battles at the last minute!! What can I say.... thanks, guys, for all the help and encouragement.:clap: Rita

Go Rita! Go Rita! Go Rita!
Its fun isn't it!

Tess

leesmith
07-26-2001, 01:51 PM
Hi Dave,

Anything worth doing requires time!:) The biggest time factor is learning how ebay works, understanding the terms.

A couple years ago I had an antique space and the owner was into ebay, that's when I first heard of ebay. This owner turned out to be a real sleaze bag, lied and cheated the dealers out of our $; the jerk would pull a low priced item out of a dealer's booth, then post it on ebay to sell for himself. If he had used his brain, he could have offered to post listings for his dealers on items that sold well on ebay for an additional percentage and he could have grown his business substantially. Needless to say, one by one the dealers pulled out, including myself and he went out of biz really quick. When I bought a computer last October, I did it with the intention of making $ with it. I don't know any local people who buy or sell on ebay. Then I joined WC in February and there was a thread on ebay. I spent the early part of this year checking out ebay when there was a dry spell in studio work. It was time well spent.

Do you currently have your work on a website or at art-agent?

Lee

arteitaliana
07-26-2001, 07:01 PM
I did list my work with Art-Agent. (I pulled one out because it sold at ebay). No sales yet, not even an enquiry, no feed back at all. A lot of hits though, probably from other artists.
Ebay is very quiet at the moment I don't think my current listings will do very well. Even the hits to my webpage and enquiries about my work have lessened considerably. But I have had a good beginning. Now...I have to do the shipping part which is no fun.....I will probably stop listing for a few weeks and resume in the middle of August.
I have noticed that landscapes do well, while still lifes have a harder time.(mine, anyway).
Keywords are important and also shipping costs and methods of payments.
I am learning, I am learning....
:D

tammy
07-26-2001, 07:34 PM
from what I've heard on the message boards at eBay and other auctions from folks who've been at it for over 3 yrs that summers do slow down sales. Most people seem to be anticipating Fall.
I guess we will see. Of course, the economy probably has some to do with it also.

(Come on Fall)!

leesmith
07-26-2001, 08:04 PM
Hi All,

Rita you do have bids on 2, just not multiples yet. I've got 2 up now same way and these took longer to get a bid. At least with 1 bid and no reserve, those are sure sells. Course there's always the chance of a last minute sniper! And who knows if bidder #1 set a proxy bid! :D

My counter numbers look pretty normal, use the honesty counter supposedly records 1 view regardless of # of times the same viewer looks.

Hey, IRS sent me a notice this past week my refund ck will be mailed on Sept 3rd; they said my daugher's refund will be mailed 8/27. Soooooo, maybe September will be better on ebay! I've got a big job coming up Aug 10 - 20, so between now and then, I will paint and try to put a batch on on 8/10... that way, by the time I finish that big job, hopefully there will have been ebay sales, I've a feeling packing and shipping will seem like a coffee break after the big job which is going to be a footbreaker ( on ladder) and a backbreaker. I wish could do landscapes well, as they are indeed big sellers on ebay!

arteitaliana
07-27-2001, 02:58 AM
Thanks for the encouragement Tess, and for all your help. I also thank Tina again, and Fred and everybody that has encouraged me and helped me along. I would not have done it without you guys.
I could never do anything with the honesty counter, I only saw it as a broken link and I don't see anybody elses honesty counter either. So I am using another counter which I warmly recommend, because is easy to install (copy and paste html code), free, and reliable.
http://count.rubylane.com/
It's important to me to see how many people look at my listings. It give me an idea of the popularity of the image and helps me in deciding if relisting or not.
Yes, I have bids at the moment and if nothing else happens I will have sold two small pieces. But I have noticed a slow down because I look at the completed sales section and I can see the difference between now and two weeks ago.
I have 4 or five "fans" , people that bid on my pieces and I send them alerts on my new listings. Not all the times, though, I don't want to annoy them. There is a fine line, in my opinion, between being a good business person and being a nuisance, and I don't want to cross that line.
Going to bed now,
loviaall
Rita

timelady
07-27-2001, 05:07 AM
Well, as one power seller said on the boards - Just get ready to list in September! :)

Rita- glad you found a working counter! That was a weird situation since some of us could see it. As for email notices, I add all my eBay winners to my mailing list (email). I send out my site updates probably once every couple months, and always tell them to just reply if they don't want to receive the updates. Out of a mailing list of about 50 people I've never had anyone request to be removed yet. :)

Tina.

Dave Carter
07-27-2001, 07:23 AM
Lee, yes I'm on art-agent; http://www.art-agent.com/list_exhibits.msql?cust_id=8755&community=paris&firstname=Dave&lastname=Carter might just get you there. These are older works and most have never been offered for sale before. Ran out of room to store more paintings (every room and every closet)!!

leesmith
07-27-2001, 09:47 AM
Hi Dave,

Thanks for the link!

I see you're a perfect example of painting what you know! Your marine pieces are unique with the warm colors in the sky and water, a refreshing break from the usual blues. Very tranquil in feeling and your compositions are different also. You do very well with landscapes also!

tammy
08-19-2001, 05:47 PM
Thought I'd reply to this thread again to say that my eBay sales seem to be picking up again. I've heard that a few others are too. What about you? Maybe the Summer slump is coming to an end...Hope HOPe! :D

arteitaliana
08-20-2001, 11:39 PM
Yes, Summer slump is over. I have sold 4 pieces this week and two more have bids and no reserve, so I guess it's 6. A lot of work!! lot of time spent emailing, shipping, getting FedEx quotes, sending BillPoint, receiving BidPay....It's confusing. I haven't shipped the wrong painting to a buyer yet but.....it will happen!! (hope not).
If you look at the completed items on eBay you will notice an increased number of sales and higher $ amounts.
yes, Summer slump is definitely over. :clap:

leesmith
08-21-2001, 03:42 PM
Hi Rita,

You are going great guns! Wonder when the "holiday" season starts on ebay?

I'm anxious to get back in the studio myself and get some listings going. Studio is in chaos right now, needs a good cleaning.:evil: Been painting too much lately for others and I'm a bit frustrated. I shouldn't complain, the $ has been good but I just don't get the "kick" that I do on ebay. Definitely addicted to it!:D

timelady
08-21-2001, 04:15 PM
If by "holiday" you mean Christmas, I did really well last November through about the 1st week of Dec. After that it was too risky that things wouldn't get shipped in time for Christmas (my interpretation of no bids). After New Year's I listed stuff again and did really well. :) I assumed everyone got money for xmas like I did!

Tina.

tammy
08-21-2001, 07:22 PM
I wasn't yet lurking around eBay last Christmas so I've never tried. Can't wait!
uh ha! My first eBay Christmas. Do sales really go strong then?
Everyone keeps saying "just wait intil Fall

leesmith
08-21-2001, 10:32 PM
:D Ooooooh, Tina. I had forgotten about Christmas cash and blowing it in January! Everybody better get busy!

Sumafra
08-21-2001, 11:51 PM
Dave, I took a look at your pieces. I really really like them. Beatifully done.

Seems that Ebay is revving up for me too. I had tried a few listings during the winter but no sales. So far this summer, I've sold 4, and I have a bid on one right now. Although my prices are very low but hopefully in time that will go up.

I agree with you all that selling on Ebay is a real kick. I get these wonderful emails, people are so happy with their purchase, they tell me they love their painting. And they're all so friendly. It's really quite a bit of work, the listing, the emails, the shipping, but I really quite enjoy it. All goes well, the next couple of months will be quite good.

PS: I have just made my first sale from my website. Got an email from someone who wanted to buy 2 of my paintings. Got a much better price for them than I do on Ebay. That was good, I'm hoping for more of this.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

leesmith
08-22-2001, 09:26 AM
Congrats! Sumafra on your website sale!!!:D

I went to your website, very lovely and delicate. Watercolor seems a perfect medium for depicting florals.

I've been wanting to integrate gold composition leaf into some of my work, but you're right, the gold doesn't show up well in pix. I just did a mural used Antique Gold and 14 K Gold, ( liquid ) gorgeous and elegant in person but the reflective quality totally disappears in photos.

Tooner
08-22-2001, 05:12 PM
Can some of y'all post links to your current work on ebay? I'm interested in seeing how you handle the logistics and terms for selling and "displaying" your artwork. Y' know, see how other people do it and learn from it? Thanks

leesmith
08-22-2001, 10:26 PM
Hey Tooner,

I don't have anything up currently but here's one of my favorites that sold, a painting of our kitty, Charlotte. Ebayers like to know something about your inspiration. I always start listings with a low minimum bid of $20 and use a buy it now price which if someone chooses, the auction ends immediately. I don't usually use reserve prices but would for a large piece. Sold 3 or 4 with the buy it now price. And I have steadily increased the flat shipping/handling/insurance fee for US buyers but charge actual for international. I save the wordage of the listing in MS word processing, then just change the variables for each ad, then copy and paste into the selling listing area, then add html. I use ebay's picture service, first pix free, then a medium shot, then a close up at just 15 cents each. I don't do anything fancy like backgrounds or multi colors on the page, cuz I don't how! Hope the link works.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1449257663&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=996686516&indexURL=0&rd=1

tammy
08-22-2001, 11:07 PM
Here's a link to my eBay "Me" Page. It has on it the links to my Auctions on it, Tooner!
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/justsittingaround2/

Sumafra
08-22-2001, 11:19 PM
Lee, thanks for your kind comments. I did enjoy working with the gold paint and hope to do it again soon. BTW, I love your little kitty picture. Very nice.

Here is a link to my Ebay auctions:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=sufram&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25

I use a free program to make my ad which I found on one of the many art forums around. If can be dowloaded free at:
www.etusa.com/auction/ It is a simple ad but it looks nice. You can see a sample if you check out one of my auctions on the link above.



PS: Lee, I notice that you had 367 hits on that kitty picture. Wow, I've never had that many views. But I think that anything with cats sells really well. They're really popular.

leesmith
08-22-2001, 11:56 PM
Hi Suzette,

I tried to download that program at etusa but a security warning from MS came up so I canceled out. I'm really careful about downloads, did some on other things and got errors all over the place, and usually have to uninstall downloaded programs. I wish I were a computer nerd!:D I like the color of your backgrounds, it looks neat, not too much. Some people get so fancy it takes forever to load and I bail out. I find music on some of the listings to be annoying!:evil: It just goes on and on even when you've left the listing.

Kitties usually get well over 200 hits on a 10 day listing. LOL Cat lovers are fanatic collectors! And they are repeat buyers too. Dogs, horses, roosters, birds and nudes are very collectible too. For unlisted artists, Italian and French landscapes get good hits too.

timelady
08-23-2001, 08:27 AM
Here's the link to my ebay page too Tooner:
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[email protected]

It's really good to what other people are doing in their listings. Even I browse around if I'm selling something different to see what similar items say and prices they're asking.

I have a set shipping/payment policy too (for artwork only, it's different for personal stuff I'm selling). It makes it easier for buying to either know you're paying shipping or what the exact price will be. I know shipping and packing is about 4 and just work that into my minimum bid. I take a slightly different approach to images because I have my own site. I prefer to put a small picture in the Auction and a link to a larger image and details on MY website. A couple of advantages to this: 1) The link to my website is legal this way, 2) The person doesn't have to wait for a large image to load, and 3) They go to my website and possibly see the rest of my work. Well, it works for me anyway. :)

As for gold leaf, I sold a painting once that was an all metal leaf background. Boy the pictures didn't work at all! I ended up posting two images: one straight on where the gold just looked brown, and one at an angle where all the gold reflected light. I couldn't think of any other way to do it really.

Tina.

tammy
08-23-2001, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by leesmith
[BI find music on some of the listings to be annoying!:evil: It just goes on and on even when you've left the listing.

[/B]



That's why I get the volume on my computer turned off all the time. LOL! Of course, ever their music takes a minute to load too. Not sure if it adds to the loading time in general but probably does.

hairballsdotcom
08-23-2001, 12:09 PM
Hi all,

I've been following this thread with great interest. I've been buying and selling (not art) on ebay for about 4 years -- I LOVE it. A while back I decide to try to auction off some of my cat art prints. I thought even if they didn't sell maybe I could drive some traffic to my site. Sounds like many of you are at least selling. My experience trying to sell my cat prints was very discouraging.

I put up 3 auctions, each a different print. NO BIDS. I relisted them...NO BIDS. I relisted them again...NO BIDS.

Kitties usually get well over 200 hits on a 10 day listing. LOL Cat lovers are fanatic collectors! I know this is true! And was stunned that I didn't at least get a few bids -- the visits weren't even very high (20-30). I made the titles as entising as I could, started the minimum bid low, relisted WITHOUT a reserve, paid the extra for a gallery picture, listed them in two categories (cat collectibles and fine art prints).

What did I do wrong? I set up a special "front page" that I linked the ebay auctions to so I could get an exact count of people coming from them, that was a very low number also. Did I just not continue long enough? It was just so discouraging not getting even one bid on a total of 9 auctions. Are prints just NOT going to sell? Several comments here and from my own research on ebay indicates that prints do not do well. Should I describe them differently? These are original digital prints NOT reproductions -- would making that point clearer help? Should I offer them framed?

I thought sure this would go well just because of all the cat people on eBay -- I was wrong. I'm baffled -- any suggestions are welcome. I'd really like to get something figured out befor the holiday buying season.

timelady
08-23-2001, 01:45 PM
Not sure what your titles were but most people search just using keywords - so cat and kitten should be in your title. Personally I think paying for more than one category isn't worth it because people don't really browse whole categories.

Prints do seem to be a problem. Even for my hand-pulled prints I list them under paintings. Monoprints I describe as paintings (which technically I think they are). I haven't seen your digital kitty cats... what's your eBay ID? I can only suggest using some of Jen's descriptions to show how unique your prints are. I always make sure it states that these are original, one-of-a-kind (if they are) prints hand-printed by the artist. Offer a certificate of authenticity too, that might help. And of course be sure to list all your credentials and make yourself sound like the genuine artist that you are, so they don't think you're some madwoman sitting at her computer churning out cat pics on her Epson printer. (which you might be, but they don't need to know that) ;)

Oh, and I got an email from a responsible ebsq member pointing out that I should join and use the link. (which I should and I apologise, it was a mistake but using ebsq doesn't get me any more hits than usual so I don't think it hurt anyone) I knew there was a new link, but I didn't realise there was a new "certification". Evidently you have to provide a CoA with the ebsq statement on it to your winning bidders. Now, call me weird, but being certified by ebsq just means you have given them your email address to join - nothing else. No standards of practice, materials, quality or anything. I read the whole page and thought it was really weird.

***

I actually came just to brag! I'm so happy because I seem to have recovered a buyer that disappeared for nearly 30 days after using Buy It Now on $230 worth of paintings. She's finally answered an email! She's reluctant to use PayPal so I may be forced to accept a US check because I'd rather have the moola than the paintings in my studio. (This is her fault by the way - I clearly state that I ONLY accept PayPal for US payments.) I was so upset by her that I couldn't sleep last night thinking I'd have to file a non-paying-bidder report. I've never had a bad bidder before and they all too often retaliate with negative feedback even if it's their fault. I for one won't be nice and waiting 30 days again (she ignored about 3 emails in the meantime and weekly reminder invoices).

Here's what I learned this week, eBay policies:
--Contact has to be made in 3 DAYS.
--You have the right to file a report if you don't receive payment within 7 DAYS!
--Seller is allowed 30 DAYS for shipment to arrive with the buyer.
--NPB (non-paying-bidder) report has to be filed no later than 45 DAYS after end of auction (and no earlier than 7 days)
--In case of a NPB you are allowed 90 DAYS in which to reclaim your listing fees.
--If item is collected by hand, rather than shipped, buyer has no fraud protection.

Wow, I've been more upset than I thought! Sorry for the long post, I've had no one to vent to.

To finish the happy news, just now I got another Buy It Now for an GBP80 painting - and the buyer replied within MINUTES of my congratulations mail. Aaaah, why can't all buyers be like that... Of course, I'm now looking at the painting wondering how I had the balls (er, can I say that here?) to ask GBP80 for it! Haha!

Tina.
-exhibition 35 days and counting - still adding small paintings, eek! -

leesmith
08-23-2001, 01:59 PM
Hi Hairballs,

Listen don't feel badly, reproduction prints just do not sell well at all on ebay! Now Thomas Kincade, that's another story, big bucks for his prints. And to think about it... like this..... why would ebayers buy prints ( I'm speaking of mechanical repro type ) when they can buy an original painting at the just about same price on ebay? If you will scroll thru the listings for prints you will find very few bids period. I've had several friends ask me to list signed, numbered prints that they paid hundreds for, and I've had to tell them waste of time. I've tried it myself, no go.

Tina, is correct ebay is much better for the handpulled type of print, with each one being considered an original. The other exception hairballs, is antique prints, chromolithographs ( stone prints ) especially if pencil signed and pushing a century old. Collectors love genuinely old anything on ebay.

jeneelind
08-23-2001, 05:49 PM
HI GUYS,


I have been thinking alot about ebay selling. What is the best way to sell artwork on ebay. I have sold on ebay before but mainly books, etc things without pictures, ( I did really well too...)

Anyhow, soon I am going to break free and sell on ebay.
I have been thinking about ways to better market myself on ebay.

Here they are:

1. How about having your artwork listed as a featured item, but for only one Painting.
My theory is, it will get people's attention, and if they like it ,they will click on the view other auctions. That way you can get maxium exposure with less money.

2. Putting the Picture on the top of the page instead of the bottom, because you want to pull them in as soon as possible.
Then below it explain your work, shipping conditions, etc.

3. Learn more HTML to get that designer webpage look.


Anyhow, these are my theories, what do you guys think?

Please more ideas, you guys have great ideas


Thanks,

Jen

leesmith
08-23-2001, 08:23 PM
Hi Jen,

Is that feature thing the pix that shows up on every listing page & costs $19.95? You actually gave me an idea for 2 large, framed paintings I have that I plan to list a little later want to put a BIG price on them; it may be worth it to spend the extra fee.

I plan to put a "cat" painting on with each group of "non-cat" paintings. LOL. I've done that before and each painting got about the same # hits. I've only sold one NON cat painting! ( it was a flipping rooster, in a French landscape! ) want to do a variety of things with a reasonable Buy It Now price to encourage straight out purchases for Christmas. BIN one of my favorite features. It's great when the first bidder clicks the BIN and ends the auction instantly.

tammy
08-24-2001, 12:34 AM
Don't know about the featured idea but always doing at least the 0.25 gallery thing is always worth it. I've heard that lots of people like browsing thru the pictures before they go thru the listings they found by search.

CarlyHardy
08-24-2001, 12:58 AM
Just got back from vacation....and will be posting some new paintings on eBay in a few days. I'm excited to get back to painting and selling and eBay has been a lot of fun for me.

Anyone interested can find me by using carlyart in the search. I always put my user ID in my listing title. That gives an easy way for buyers who know you to search for you and gives you an identity that stands out in the thousands of title that come up in a search for fine art.

I use the etusa.com freebie software for my template descriptions too. That security warning simply means that the site you are downloading from is not a secured site....that's why its free, too. Have never had a problem with it and after you download the program, you don't go back to the site anyway.

Knowing some html is very helpful when you write up your descriptions even when you're using a template. I recommend HTML for Dummies for a simple how to do it book, but there are a lot of online lessons available also....just do a search for html lessons or something like that.

I also agree that putting your pic at the top of your listing gets more attention so I use links in my description for viewing the painting....as well as the free pic that eBay offers. I always pay the extra .25 for the gallery pic, its really worth it! and hopefully the pic at the top of the listing will remain free (but I doubt for much longer).

There are some no-no's with eBay that you should be aware of.
NO links in your description to YOUR WEBSITE, or to other websites unless they are offering you a service for the listing, such as etusa.com or paypal.com. You cannot tell viewers to click on your AboutMe page to find your website....but you can provide a link to your AboutMe page at eBay. If you want to plug your own website or other websites, you must do that on your AboutMe Page.

There is a lot of other information in our archives about selling thru eBay. Hope some of this helps.
carly

Sumafra
08-24-2001, 04:50 AM
Hi all,

Hairballs, you really do need to explain that your prints are originals not reproductions. Can you call them something else other than 'prints'. Maybe a different description would help.
Also, Lori Lee, I listed several times this past winter without ever having a bid. I stopped for a while. I started again this summer and now I'm getting bids. Not on all my pieces but on at least a couple of pictures each time I list and I list about 1/2 dozen at at time. It seems to be picking up over there. Although I still don't get a lot of hits. But who cares as long as I get bids.

As to the etusa.com free program, I've never had any problems with it and it has helped me make a decent looking ad without a lot of work.

Carly, you mentioned Ebay doesn't want you to have a link to your website, in my ad I say 'for more information, contact me at' and give my email address, and I ad, 'or checkout my website at' and give my URL. It is not a link but the information is there if someone wants to check it out. No one has said anything so I assume that that's OK.

How many of you out there use the 'ebsq' link? I do right now but I don't think it's getting me extra hits. I'm not sure there's any benefit to it, but I suppose it can't hurt.

timelady
08-24-2001, 04:55 AM
Not sure about that last part. As far as I know it's just LINKS that are restricted in your listing - links to your webpage, links to you AboutMe, etc. You can <b>tell</b> people pretty much anything you like if there's no links. You are limited to one 3rd party link (like PayPal or ebsq) and links to pages relevent to the item being sold. (mine happens to be on my own webpage, but is entirely legal).

HTML is definitely useful - I just use simple line breaks, headings, text formatting, and such. Nothing fancy but it makes my listing a bit neater.

Tina.

leesmith
08-24-2001, 09:37 AM
Thanks Carly, I will go back and do the etusa thingy, disregarding the security notice. I was concerned because it was a MS security notice and it made it sound like downloading it could possible create probs with my MS programming.

Hairballs, I agree with Suzette, if you could find another name to use in the title. Try to find another category besides prints to list in.

There are cat prints occasionally appearing in Antiques and Art: Fine Art: Paintings but they never get bids. I don't know what type these are.

On your listing page give a little education section on the different types of 2D art, you know, kind of like a definition of each starting with Original Painting, then move to the next forms that are still considered "original", moving down the list ( I don't know how many different types ) Signed and numbered prints would be in there ( I've read articles that on this type, once you get past a series of 100 the value greatly decreases.) Giglees, hand embellished ( actual dabs of paint applied sporadically ). And also describe where these are commonly marketed. ( Art galleries, Frame shops, right down to the Walmart! ) The last type should be the "mass produced" variety, no pencil sig no series, the Walmart/Kmart variety. I think you called yours "digital". I didn't understand how this is different from a "poster" type print myself.

hairballsdotcom
08-24-2001, 11:03 AM
Thanks for your suggestions...
I do think the biggest drawback is the title/description, and maybe the category I'm listing them in.

Lee -- you've hurt my feelings :eek: (LOL)
I think you called yours "digital". I didn't understand how this is different from a "poster" type print myself. According to sources higher up on the art chain than I, digital art (there's no tangible original--just a digital file; its NOT a scan/reproduction of an original) when printed digitally from its file is comparable to a "hand pulled print". The term "Digital Printmaker" seems to be gaining popularity. I like your idea about adding an "educational section" on each auction -- that might be just the key. These are NOT just poster reproductions that have been cranked out by the thousands on an offset press.

I'm not that familiar with the "printmaking" world, and since I seem to be falling into that category by default, I need to educate myself more so I can express/explain what I do in a better light.

I do want to experiment with more auctions as we move into the holiday buying season..GEES, its getting close!

tammy
08-24-2001, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Sumafra
Hi all,


How many of you out there use the 'ebsq' link? I do right now but I don't think it's getting me extra hits. I'm not sure there's any benefit to it, but I suppose it can't hurt.

I use it as a member of the group, but since I've used it almost as long as I've done eBay auctions, I don't know if it helps my sales or not.

tammy
08-24-2001, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Sumafra
Hi all,



As to the etusa.com free program, I've never had any problems with it and it has helped me make a decent looking ad without a lot of work.



You know, I checked out the other stuff on that web site and if you buy (I forget the title) one of those *dummie* books for under $10.00 you get inside the book, all 3 of their programs that you're talking about that helps with the auction ads. That makes the book worth buying if you ask me. I might do that.

kelly
08-24-2001, 07:35 PM
Ebay has been good for me...But I doubt people should view it as a money maker... This is a visibility enhancer. If ya wanna be noticed and have a group of collectors follow ya, as well as get some notice from some dealers and galleries...check it out.

Thats whats happened to me.

leesmith
08-24-2001, 11:08 PM
Hey Lori Lee,

Thanks for trying to educate a big dummy like me!:D
I wouldn't hurt your feelings for the world!:crying:

Is this digital print the same as "computer art", that is, is this something you have created using all these little painting tools and then its saved as a digital file? Or am I still:confused: ?????LOL Because something created via computer is art just a difference in tools. It takes great skill and knowledge to create on the computer. Do you print these yourself or do you have to send the digital file to a print company and are these on a special paper or coated someway? Pardon me, but my ignorance is showing big time:eek: And where can I see an example of some of your digital prints? On your website??

Art galleries around here sell pencil signed and numbered "prints" for hundreds of $, a "poster" to me is this stuff Michael's sells for $5 to 10., mass produced probably hundreds of thousands of them. Garden Ridge sells these elaborately framed, matted and glassed for up to $300.00.

Education is a good thing! :D

Sumafra
08-24-2001, 11:29 PM
QUOTE FROM TINA:
You are limited to one 3rd party link (like PayPal or ebsq) and links to pages relevent to the item being sold.

I guess there too I'm not quite kosher. I have links to both Paypal and Ebsq.

Again, no one has said anything so I'll continue this way.

tammy
08-24-2001, 11:46 PM
Suzette,
I've kind of learned from others that eBay doesn't always search or notice sites that are not in compliance with their rules and that they rely on others to complain about it to them. If this is really true or not I really don't know. Just want I've heard.

timelady
08-25-2001, 06:16 AM
I think Tammy's right on the whole. I think eBay does scan ads periodically and have heard people say "help, my ad's disappeared, why?". So it does happen, but mainly it's from people reporting the ad. Oh, and the ebsq link MIGHT be legal. When John sent out the information he said it was legal but didn't say if it was a special link approved by eBay (I doubt it) or counted as one of the 3rd party links. If anyone is very concerned they should drop him a quick email and ask. :)

I would never report an ad that breaks the "one link" rule because I don't think it's an important rule. I do understand eBay's reason for it (they earn their money from sales, not from advertising our sites). There's far more important things to report like ads with shill bidders (where the seller has 2 IDs and bids on his own auctions to up the price, or has a friend do it), sellers who avoid fees by offering a private sale, or sellers scamming buyers by not actually selling *anything* (I got one of these a few weeks ago).

Yes, I'm one of those mean people who reports auctions. :eek: I don't go looking for it though - they are auctions I actually click to consider buying.

I couldn't work on the ebay article yesterday (I've been doing it on days I work at the gallery) because the owner actually wanted me to *work*. Can you believe it? :) No, he's really nice, and I promised to get the gallery's website sorted.

Tina.

Paintbrush74
08-25-2001, 11:19 AM
Posted by Timelady:
Yes, I'm one of those mean people who reports auctions. I don't go looking for it though - they are auctions I actually click to consider buying.


Of course you're not really being mean at all. If I see an Ebay auction that cheats people in any way, I'll report it. If I see a little thing, such as an extra link, that's no problem as far as I'm concerned. I just don't want anyone to ruin the whole thing for all the people who just want to buy and sell in an honest way.

tammy
08-25-2001, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Paintbrush74
[ I just don't want anyone to ruin the whole thing for all the people who just want to buy and sell in an honest way.

Ditto!!!!!

tammy
08-25-2001, 11:35 AM
Oh, I just wanted to say that I think this thread on eBay and Pix's thread on the categories is great and very informative.
Tina, your article is gonna be good I just know it. Can't wait!

tammy
08-26-2001, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by tammy


You know, I checked out the other stuff on that web site and if you buy the book "Internet Auctions for Dummies" you get inside the book, all 3 of their programs that you're talking about that helps with the auction ads.

(I edited this post because I have no idea where I got the idea that this book is under $10.00! Try more like under $20.00. Oh well, one good thing is that I found the title! :D)

champagneharley
08-27-2001, 04:12 AM
Used in the 'right' way, it can be most benificial. I have sold screen prints and miniatures, at reasonable prices, but then, I am just starting, and selling internationally.
To read more on the real hard facts of HOW TO sell on ebay go to http://www.pitchfordart.com - that is a HUGE help.
Do your homework - research and look at ALL the categories, not just art/antiques - you will be surprized what's under 'collectables'
Good luck.
Jillian
http://www.JillianCrider.com/

leesmith
08-27-2001, 10:10 AM
Hey Champagne,


Here's what Pitchford recommends: ( QUOTE )

"REMEMBER, TO ESTABLISH YOUR PRESENCE AMONG THE THOUSANDS OF ARTWORKS LISTED ON EBAY, YOU MUST LIST 14 TO 21 ARTWORKS PER WEEK (includes repeat auctions of unsold work). " ( END QUOTE )

That might work for pop artists. :) But no way can I paint 14 to 21 pcs a week to list! Wish I could though!

Also does Pitchford take 30 to 35% do handle artists listings? That might be worth it if there were larger amounts. I would have to do some research to find out. I do have a file on Pitchford and was looking at them earlier this year or end of 2000, but there are so many fees coming out of the sale price, and as I recall their fee was pretty high, and it seemed like I would be still doing most or all the work. Maybe Pitchford has revamped since I last looked at them.:D

champagneharley
08-27-2001, 07:19 PM
Sorry, I didn't explain myself too well. Pitchford is WONDERFUL for tips in using ebay, I don't advocate using them unless it's 'for you'. You would have to weigh up any costs. So many artists don't know how to price their work, they forget wholesale & retail, and consider that agents 'take a cut', they don't, they market at retail, the artist at wholesale, so we should price our paintings accordingly.
I am an artist, and would love to earn my living from my art. What works I have put on ebay have sold within my expectations, and I certainly plan to do MANY more when I have time. Tips from P did help!
In ANY art, to become successful, you need to constantly produce. I don't do my art to fill an inner outlet or any underlying deep meaning. My art is who I am, not what I am, and so, produce in a different way to an artist who does it to express themselves.
I used to draw houses for real estate companies, I mad a living out of it. I have actually done over 9,000. Yes, there were times when I could SCREAM if had to draw one more house. But love houses and am now painting them.
There are many ways of doing art. Ebay really can be good, if that is what you want, that is why I suggest P, for tips. I know it's not for everyone.
Jillian
http://www.JillianCrider.com/

leesmith
08-27-2001, 09:59 PM
Hi Jillian,

I went to your site, I like everything on it! Beautiful work.
I can see how you would do well on ebay, you do many different subjects well.

I plan to paint for the next 2 weeks for ebay, have gotten a little miffed at a couple of my clients; one stood me up today, and another stood me up Sunday. One has called twice today and I've ignored her, the other I told her project is at a standstill until we set an appointment. I despise it when people waste my painting time! Well, maybe I'll feel better about them tomorrow!

:D

BlossomArt
08-29-2001, 04:37 PM
Hi, everyone!

I just got a scanner, and posted my first seven paintings on ebay. I'll hopefully get my work posted here tonight, as I ran into a snag getting it uploaded last night.

Till then, here is my link for my seller's page...
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=BlossomArt&include=0&since=30&sort=8&rows=25

Now, I do have one bid each for two of my paintings, but the fact of the matter is, both of those bidders are people I know from another site I post at, LOL!!!! They're all very nice people, and I wanted them to see my work now that it was up, so I posted the link for them to look at - and two of the girls bid! A third emailed me that she's also going to be placing a bid on another one of my paintings! Now, of course, I got worried that, "Oh, what if they only bid on it because they're being nice?" But I realized that's self defeating. The fact is, I got about 35 people who replied to me that they loved my stuff, but only two (and now possibly three) placed bids - I reassured myself that if they were just being nice, they would not have put themselves in a position to buy, they didn't have to do that. They could have heaped on alot of praise and left it at that, which certainly would have been more than I could ask for! However, the sticky situation still remains in that these girls are buying my work because I posted, "Hey you guys - here's the link!" I plunked it right down into their laps, so now my worry is - how do I get my work exposed on ebay to people who don't know me, who I'm not in touch with? How do I get that total stranger surfing around on ebay to look at my work? :confused:

My feelings about selling on ebay - I'm thrilled!!! I look at it this way - I love to paint, and for me, this is a wonderfully relaxing hobby and creative outlet, and that is the main thing. If I can make money from it, I don't see the harm in that. My view is, if someone loves my work enough to want to own it, to pay good money to bring something I did into their home and display it - well, My God, who wouldn't get goosebumps??? I was tickled that three people want my stuff so badly they're willing to place bids on it - that's a really good feeling, quite a boost! If they weren't people I directed to the link, I'd get spoiled by the fact that it's my first time out of the chute! If it doesn't sell much over the long haul, well, I've expected that will happen too - I've looked at the work of many of you who've said that you haven't sold much, and your work is wonderful, so I truly don't get it! It also braces me to potentially not expect a ton of sales from my stuff since I'm so new at it. With time, with patience, I'll get better at it. And I love doing it, it's a very big chunk of what I think about during the day while I sit here at this desk - getting home and painting! (Oh, if one of those Powerball tickets had been mine - I wouldn't just be wishing I could do it full time instead of sitting here, LOL!!!)

I also plan on putting my photography online as well, and hope that people enjoy that. I have some old stuff I love from about 15 years ago, and there's always new things to photograph out there as well!

So, as a newbie both to this site, to ebay and to returning to my artwork after 18 years for painting, and after 15 years for photography, I still am new enough to have that total flush of excitement everytime I get an idea for a new piece! So glad I found this thread - what a wonderful amount of information, feedback and feeling of "you're not alone out there - we're all in this ride together!" :clap:

Lisa

champagneharley
08-29-2001, 06:38 PM
*S* Thanx for your compliments. I am very lucky to have a God-given talent. (I missed out in the singing department!) Thank you for visiting my site.
I recommend, with ebay, you really research, and do art to suit, to be successful. Check all categories, not only art, but collectables, and any others. For instance, if you include dolls in your paintings, try listing in dolls, as well as the art listings.
You really don't have too much to lose by trying it, and selling your work is a huge boost to your ego.
Art 'customers' can really send artist's spirits down. Unfortunately there are a great many clients who just do not consider art important enough on their agendas to follow through with their promises. I can quote many instances from my own experiences, and other artist friends. This is something we must learn, goes with this trade, and not to let it get us down.
Jillian
http://www.JillianCrider.com/

kildaire
08-30-2001, 07:17 PM
im quite impressed with Ebay, i sold four small paintings totalling to 60 which is absolutely better than nothing. All the new owners have written to say how delighted they are with their pieces. So its nice to know they went to good homes. Theya re like pets these painted pieces you become attached to them and hope they be happy on someone's wall.
The second lot of paintings on ebay did not sell at all.... the market is very up and down on ebay... maybe when I put some more on later on they may sell you can never tell.
one gallery owner told me to change my style and go modern that there are too many fine artist painting too simular to each other.
I'm trying my own medium own designs at the moment.
How can you sell pieces in America? is it possible to sell on american ebay?
can the american send you cheques rather then messa bout with escrow and paypal things as I don't understand them.
have many people had success on ebay uk?

okay looking forward for more ebay news

champagneharley
08-30-2001, 07:55 PM
I am like you kildaire, impressed with ebay, sold some, not others. I am going to 'specialise' in miniatures and animal paintings/prints. SO far my results have been good with most of my work being sold to USA (I am in Oz) and agree that sales are better than no sales, and also like the nice feedback from appreciative owners.
You have to research what is going on in ebay, what sells, what doesn't, but remember that when you think you have it figured out, it all changes again *S* Look at placing your one work in at least TWO categories - there are many under headings other than art.
When you select which country to sell to on UK ebay, select to sell worldwide. I am with Oz ebay, but sell in Oz and worldwide mainly to USA - one sale to Spain - with it. I sell to US with them paying either MO, cash or cheque. I have to include bank fees in my prices, even US$ incur a bank fee, so state this plainly in my ebay 'blurb'. Don't use escrow, noone likes it. You are welcome to email me (email on my site) or leave msg here and I will answer questions.
I said earlier that www.Pitchfordart.com has great TIPS on selling on ebay.
There are currency converters readily available on the net (just run a search). In the USA your item will list UK pounds, as well as convert to USA$ when they view it. I usually put $Au20=$USA10 approx. at the top and also estimate postage costs.
Hope that helps.
Jillian
http://www.JillianCrider.com/

Sumafra
08-31-2001, 12:32 AM
On the subject of selling from a country other than the USA, I sell from Canada. I list in EBay Canada although I could just as easily list in Ebay USA. The reason why I do this is because I can then indicate the region as I understand some people like to shop regionally. Otherwise, there is no difference. I list in US funds either way. When I list in Ebay Canada, they show the bids in US dollars AND the Canadian dollar value in brackets. Otherwise, the items show in all the same categories and there is no difference. I assume the same applies to other countries but don't know for sure. Tina would know the answer to this as she lists from the UK. Tina? Can you enlighten us?:)

arteitaliana
08-31-2001, 03:12 AM
Ebay saw me through the summer slump....and made meet wonderful people. I met a texan lady with 6 sisters and they all buy my paintings now, either at ebay or directly from my site(at full price).Things like that happen, once in a while.
I had a good middle of August, not so good at the beginning, not so hot at the end....Ebay goes up and down, and when you think you have made it....a period follows with no sales. It keeps you humble!
But then it picks up again.....
All my buyers have been american (mostly repeat buyers)and two australian. No canadians. Canadians seem to be great "tire kickers"...lots of questions, no sales. So, now I list only from the american side, in US dollars. The listing will also appear in the canadian site in US dollars with the corresponding canadian underneath (or viceversa, I don't remember). American buyers prefer the item to be listed in US dollars and since they are the ones that buy the most, I think that they deserve attention.
Ebay gives you complete control over what you want to sell and how much you are prepared to sell it for. Once the item is sold you get great feedback which is good for the soul. Galleries always sound like they are doing you a favour, unless you are one of their best sellers, which I am not.
I am getting addicted to "I love your painting!! Is great" I will buy more!!" How can you beat this kind of enthusiasm? It makes me paint better, faster and happier.
Thanks ebay!!:clap:

champagneharley
08-31-2001, 05:16 AM
Rita, I'm an instant fan of your work!
Loved your site. In particular the Camille with hat is sensational.

Jillian
http://www.JillianCrider.com/

timelady
08-31-2001, 07:29 AM
BLOSSOM ART
You're doing well, hoorah! Don't feel bad about people you might know buying your art. I do Aibo art (of my robots) and market it ONLY to other Aibo owners, naturally. Since I know most of them online I'm not really going to sell to someone I haven't chatted to at least once. I'm buying a painting from kelly here on WC because I like it - we all visit each other's sites and manage to usually keep our pocketbooks shut, so it means I genuinely like his work. And my mother buys my work. This really used to bug me, but she's starting using my PayPal ordering system online so I can't stop her anymore! :D

KILDAIRE
- it's easy to sell to the US. About half my sales go there. My top tips:
1. I only accept PayPal for US$. I could accept checks, especially since I have a US bank account, but it's a pain, I don't like having to wait for it to clear (after 5 days each way in the mail), and it would make my UK accounting more confusing. I only use my US bank for paying US student loans and personal stuff. People don't seem to mind using PayPal for $20-30 items. It doesn't have to be PayPal, pick whatever credit card system you like, but PayPal is the only one that pays out in GBP I think.

2. I include a standard shipping in the auction or state a set shipping price to the US otherwise they might be scared off by unknown international shipping prices. I roll my prints or canvases if possible because I can ship them in a tube for 2 airmail and 5 for insurance (from Mailboxes, not the post office). It's cheap, easy, and consistent. :) Always get proof of posting, always send airmail on small items is my policy.

So, credit card payments and standard shipping. That's about it really. For those of you who accept US checks or MOs over here, where do you cash them? My bank charges an absolute fortune so I lose about 30% of the value of the check. It would be good to know for the occassional difficult buyer...

Another long post! Sheesh.
Tina.

fmarsh
08-31-2001, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by Sumafra
On the subject of selling from a country other than the USA, I sell from Canada. I list in EBay Canada although I could just as easily list in Ebay USA. The reason why I do this is because I can then indicate the region as I understand some people like to shop regionally. Otherwise, there is no difference. I list in US funds either way. When I list in Ebay Canada, they show the bids in US dollars AND the Canadian dollar value in brackets. Otherwise, the items show in all the same categories and there is no difference. I assume the same applies to other countries but don't know for sure. Tina would know the answer to this as she lists from the UK. Tina? Can you enlighten us?:) <p>

EBay Canada is the only site which lets you sell in one of 2 currencies. In Oz if I want to sell in US dollars then I need to go to Ebay US. I think that the UK is the same.<p>

But ebay still detects your home site and lists our auctions in Oz dollars and US dollars on Ebay Australia. <p>
Has anybody heard whether Billpoint is going international (for sellers)? Paypal is but buyers need to register to use, whereas with billpoint they don't need to register. It is very easy to use from a buyers perspective.<p>
Fred

leesmith
08-31-2001, 09:15 AM
Hi Fred,

Are you saying that sellers outside of the US cannot register for Billpoint? I was initially signed up for paypal also, but had trouble, paypal wouldn't accept payment from an international buyer and paypal's customer service was useless, whereas Billpoint responded immediately with relevant tailored info. That's why I quit using paypal, plus that $100.00 paypal wants to fund your account.

Does anybody know if Billpoint has dollar amount limits that they will process monthly? Could a buyer make payment with Billpoint say for a $300.00 purchase?

I know that Billpoint accepts international payments provided the Buyers country is on their list; has something to do with rampant credit card fraud, and non secure issues in certain countries.

And to Carly or Suzette, I have downloaded the free etusa listing system; now I noticed they have a place where you insert the URL of your photo hoster. Since I will be using ebay pix service, will etusa work? My primary portfolio site is absolute arts ( wwar ). Twice I've tried to upload photos from that site and got errors message which is why I use ebay pix service. Thanks!

fmarsh
08-31-2001, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by leesmith
Hi Fred,

Are you saying that sellers outside of the US cannot register for Billpoint? I was initially signed up for paypal also, but had trouble, paypal wouldn't accept payment from an international buyer and paypal's customer service was useless, whereas Billpoint responded immediately with relevant tailored info. That's why I quit using paypal, plus that $100.00 paypal wants to fund your account.

!

Hi Lee. Only US & Canadian sellers can use it at present, unless it has changed recently. There is very little on their website about seller eligibility. <br>
Whereas Paypal has been extended to buyers in many countries. So it is paypal or nothing at the moment for us. I don't know about the paypal $100 funding. We never had to lodge anything. They used a $1 charge to validate credit card but refunded this.<br>

Another option I have used is the Artistnation payment system, it works fine. Only problem is the Australian bank charges for converting a US Dollar cheque. <br>

Fred

tammy
08-31-2001, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Rita Monaco
Canadians seem to be great "tire kickers"...lots of questions, no sales.


Now, why'd you have to go say that for? I've only been listing US because I don't understand money differences and postage internationally. I've recently opened my auctions to Canadian's and then you have to go and say what you just said. Ekkkk :D

timelady
08-31-2001, 01:42 PM
Hey, I sold two pieces with the Canadian free day, and am applying for a residency in Newfoundland, so i have to defend Canadians. :) I think people asking questions is just an individual thing - I've asked questions and then not bid on something, usually because I never bid until the last day and have forgotten to check the item. C'est la vie! (That's french canadian of course)

I missed the bit in the previous message about local listing too... I use ebay USA and put London and UK as my location. I don't use the region, it doesn't seem to have any effect anyway. For what it's worth though, my sales really are split pretty 50/50 between the US and UK. So UK people are finding my auctions listed in US$ anyway. :)

At one point I had items listed in US$, C$, AU$ and . Haha. Insane!

Tina.

tammy
08-31-2001, 03:22 PM
Well, I'm putting this here cuz it is eBayish. I got ID verified so that I could sell on eBay but I forgot that they have a $25.00 limit on posting if you are ID verified and I've reached my limit. I usually pay them by money order and sent it a few days ago, but it looks as if they don't have it yet or just have not posted it to my account yet.

My question is for those of you who have given eBay access to your bank accounts through bank card or Credit card..how is that working out for you? Any problems with them? Do thy just take out what you owe them on a specific day? I have a bank card but my account is never very big yet so I'm afraid to let them have access as I'd hate something to go unexpected and over draw me.
The account I have is not my main account. It's the one for my art sells only.

So, what is ya'll thoughts on this?

jeneelind
08-31-2001, 04:51 PM
Tammy,

When I sold things on ebay (paid my bills last semester of college), I had them automatically deduct it from my checking account. There was never any problems. I think this is the best way to go because now you have one less task to take care of it, and are free to paint more, sell more. Go ahead and do it they are safe and reliable.

Jen

BlossomArt
08-31-2001, 07:15 PM
I have them bill the charges to my American Express card. That way, I can keep track of the charges easier than other stuff that's also being directly taken out of my checking account.

arteitaliana
08-31-2001, 07:52 PM
I do the same, I have them take the fees directly from my Visa. The fees are not that high, so it's unlikely that they will go over the limit.

tammy
08-31-2001, 08:30 PM
I don't have any credit cards. All I have is a Visa bank debit card and I don't think they are the same thing.

tammy
08-31-2001, 08:42 PM
Wouldn't you know it, just today I exceed my limit, sold 2 more paintings and now this afternoon they credit my account for the payment I sent a few days ago. How odd! Oh well, that's what I get for going on a listing binge. LOL

Paintbrush74
08-31-2001, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by tammy

My question is for those of you who have given eBay access to your bank accounts through bank card or Credit card..how is that working out for you? Any problems with them? Do thy just take out what you owe them on a specific day? I have a bank card but my account is never very big yet so I'm afraid to let them have access as I'd hate something to go unexpected and over draw me.
The account I have is not my main account. It's the one for my art sells only.

So, what is ya'll thoughts on this?


Ebay bills me once a month, and I've had no problems. I didn't realize they had a 25 dollar limit, but I've only gone as far as about $21.

I use my credit card. They are really quite above board as far as I can tell, and I don't consider it any more dangerous than flashing my credit card, or checkbook, at the local Walmart.

tammy
08-31-2001, 10:30 PM
Originally posted by Paintbrush74



I didn't realize they had a 25 dollar limit, but I've only gone as far as about $21.

I use my credit card. .

They only limit you to 25.00 if you are ID verified and pay by check or money order.

The only limit for credit cards I think is the cards limit. :)

leesmith
08-31-2001, 11:40 PM
Hi all,

Ebay bills my credit card once monthly for the fees; I write a check from art account when it arrives.

I just bought my first Golden Acrylics, yikes! $14.50 4 oz jar, some colors even more! First thing I did was to test them, put a little Basics on 1 finger, and Golden on the other, let set till tacky; then to rinse, the Basics rinsed off pretty fast ( less pigment ) the Golden took a good while longer, just kept rinsing and rinsing so, AHA, more pigment! Can't wait to paint with em! Need more colors though.:crying: Next stop: Belgian linen. About $15.00 for a small canvas. Want to experience that too!

To Carly & Suzette, I also used the etusa ad listing tonight, put on 2 new paintings; 1 cat, 1 NON cat, both in new frames. LOL I was going to "hoard" them till I had about a doz, hubby said NAH, go ahead and list them.

Sumafra
09-01-2001, 02:26 AM
Tina, here in Canada, it's not a problem to cash US cheques or money orders so I accept them, but I don't accept personal cheques. I'm not that trusting.

Tammy, I have sold a painting to a Canadian, had no problems at all. As to ebay fees, I also have them bill my credit card. It's nice and easy that way.

Lee, did you get your Etusa ad to work? I also use the ebay picture services, otherwise you have to have your pictures online somewhere where they can be accessed and I can't seem to be able to link them to my website, so it's easier to do it that way. The ad just comes on without pictures and the ebay pictures show up at the bottom of the ad. That's work fine for me.

kildaire
09-01-2001, 09:12 AM
For all those out there wondering what I am selling on ebay I have written down this;



http://cqi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cqi/eBayISAPI.dll?viewItems&item=1461443906

i hope this helps and you can get there to view my goods, yes it's up and down, nice to see your work tina.....

my name there is faithus, keep going everyone

tammy
09-01-2001, 12:31 PM
Yepee! I sold another one overnite. Yepee! I'm sorry ya'll its just that I haven't been selling my art for very long and this is really the very first year I've ever even tried. I can't believe someone really likes what I paint! (Jumping up and down). I feel Lee's excitement. She always sounds so excited, now I know why!


II don't have a credit card, Maybe I should get one?

Hey! I feel good! Congratulations and good luck to all!
Happy Labor day all:clap:

tammy
09-01-2001, 12:35 PM
Suzette, I did sell once to Canada because they had not seen that I only sold US before they bid. They were really great people and it did go very smoothly although I kind of sounded like a dork at the Post Office. Asking so many questions. LOL

I love WC'ers. Its because of all of you that I've come so far! Hugs to all!

leesmith
09-01-2001, 01:23 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap:

CONGRATS TAMMY!!! You go, GF! List 'em and they will come!:D

Your FB # is GROWING!!!!!!

GET YOU JUST 1 CREDIT CARD AT LEAST!

Rita's got some good bids going on!

Wonder if we could start another thread by this same title, maybe part II or continued....... these 8 pages take FOREVER to load, or is there some EZ way to get to the last page automatically.

I'll say it again.... wish I were a 'puter nerd!

champagneharley
09-01-2001, 08:51 PM
leesmith. The bluebar at the bottom of the last post allows you to click to go to which page you want (last page is currently 8). If you want to get to the first page quickly click on the double left pointing arrows, or double right ones if you want to get to the last page. The single arrow takes you back or forward one page, accordingly.
Jillian
http://www.JillianCrider.com/

champagneharley
09-01-2001, 08:56 PM
leesmith, sorry, didn't make it too clear - click on the number of the page you want to view, that way you skip those you don't, as well as using the arrows to navigate.
Have fun!
Jillian

leesmith
09-01-2001, 09:07 PM
Thanks, ya'll!

I'm a big dummy.... By Jove, I think I've got it!;)

Sumafra
09-01-2001, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by tammy
Yepee! I sold another one overnite. Yepee! I'm sorry ya'll its just that I haven't been selling my art for very long and this is really the very first year I've ever even tried. I can't believe someone really likes what I paint! (Jumping up and down). I feel Lee's excitement. She always sounds so excited, now I know why!



Congratulations, Tammy. It's great fun, isn't it?

:clap: :clap: :clap:

arteitaliana
09-01-2001, 11:01 PM
Yes, it has been good this week, and the last, also. I found that having 7-10 listing showing at the same time helps. People look at one listing and then some of them also click on "see other auction by this seller".... It gives them a better idea of the range of the work plus encourages them to bid if other bids are present in the other auctions.
As soon as one listing ends I list another one (or relist) so the number never decreases.
This is my tip for the day...!!

Happy ebaying to all!!

tammy
09-01-2001, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Rita Monaco
I found that having 7-10 listing showing at the same time helps.

yes, I'd have to agree as that's what I was doing when I reached my limit. And then I started getting the multiple sells. So cool!
Actually that was one of the tips that I read on the "Pitchford site" and thought I'd give it a try!.

leesmith
09-02-2001, 01:02 AM
Hi Jillian, Tammy, Rita,

If I can find some time in the next few days, I'm going to try and get up several more. I get sidetracked with decorating work but can't turn it down when the $ is good. I'm also helping my 24 yr old daughter to furnish her home, locating CHEAP pieces at garage sales for $1.00 and handpainting them for her. Her little place is starting to shape up. Gone from dull and brown to light and airy.

I wanted to paint till I had about a doz to put on at one time for that very reason, each listing helps draw more viewers. This is what is happening with Rita and Tammy right now. Some of these bidders are actually dealers searching for inventory for their brick and mortar biz and some are individual collectors.

As time goes on, there are repeat buyers, the best kind cuz they look for you on a regular basis! Lucky for artists that collecting is an obsesssion for many. He He . I click on the other auctions button myself when I'm surfing ebay. Hubby said to go ahead and list as they are completed, I need to start listening to own instincts. LOL You know a listing can go for days sometimes with no bids, then as soon as one person bids, it generates more interest from other bidders.

It does seem like bids are picking up. Tammy your prices are going up and I see you've had bidders do the buy it now. Rita's definitely getting a following on her work! I think that with ebay patience and perseverance will pay off!

Someone up the thread said ebay has lead to gallery representation, I believe that's what I read.

arteitaliana
09-02-2001, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by tammy


Actually that was one of the tips that I read on the "Pitchford site" and thought I'd give it a try!.


I cannot read that Pitchford page....somehow it freezes my computer.

I guess I will continue to learn as I go along.
At the moment I have this "rodeopal" lady that is squashing most of the competition...Not complaining though!! She has also bought 3 from my webpage. :clap:
I don't think galleries like artists selling on ebay....but artists do.:D

champagneharley
09-02-2001, 01:39 AM
Rita,
I don't know if you read earlier, but I am new here, and visited your site, love your work esp. Camille in hat.
Anyway. Try getting into Pitchford past the front page by trying...
http://www.pitchfordart.com/artist_info.htm
this is the important part anyway.
I think because ebay is so unpredictable, there really is not real way of determining which way sales will go.
Artists have to live and so I am fully for ebay. I have even spoken to galleries about how to sell their 'stock' on ebay, and they have been most interested, so, if any galleries are 'anti' they might become firm friends of it if they learn how to 'use' it properly. It gives artists exposure, Worldwide credibitility, all plusses for gallery in promotion of their shows.

leesmith,
Don't delay in putting up your work, if you can put up a few, and then relist or add new, you should. It is great fun, gives you income, and if selling - gives you a boost. You can gradually build up your works while getting a feel for it all. Unfortunately I've had to take a break from it, but will be hard at it again after the end of the month.

Jillian
http://www.JillianCrider.com/

arteitaliana
09-02-2001, 01:40 AM
tammy: I cannot see you image on ebay listings for some reason. Maybe you use Mr Lister or something like that?
Anyway, ebaying folks out there..... here is a good tip:
if you use RubyLane counters,(free) instead of Honesty/Andale you get a table with all your listings showing bids and hits, refreshing every 10 minutes or so.
Here is mine:
http://cview.rubylane.com/en/counter/xview.tcl?sellerid=arteitaliana&days=0&auction=ebay

Nice uh?

Rita:)

tammy
09-02-2001, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by Rita Monaco
tammy: I cannot see you image on ebay listings for some reason.
Rita:)
That's weird! I see all of them and I was just on an eBay message board and some of them looked at my listing with no problem. Perhaps I gave a bad address on here? I dunno, I'll have to go look.
It's so cool though. I did a cloud painting and had 3 bids, 2 different people, so I thought that I'd do another cloud painting so perhaps the person that didn't win the bid might be interested in the other one. Guess what? The same one who bought the one cloud painting went and bought the other one too. Buy it Now works for me. And a plus, they are all very nice folks! I love my buyers!

tammy
09-02-2001, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by Rita Monaco
here is a good tip:
if you use RubyLane counters,(free) instead of Honesty/Andale you get a table with all your listings showing bids and hits, refreshing every 10 minutes or so.
Here is mine:
http://cview.rubylane.com/en/counter/xview.tcl?sellerid=arteitaliana&days=0&auction=ebay

Nice uh?

Rita:)

Thanks Rita, I'll have to check that one out!

leesmith
09-02-2001, 02:53 PM
Rita, thanks for the info on Ruby Lane counters, seems like a timesaver! I thought you had to pay for Ruby Lane, think I'll use them on next listing.

Thanks Jillian for the tips, maybe hubby wasn't so wrong after all!:D

basia2
09-03-2001, 06:48 PM
Hi guys...took me sometime to back to wc i was busy whole summer (art)...also with e-bay.....

I noticed Tammy that you are selling well again!..it is super!congrats! and a few other !...

i started to sell shortly before holidays and i'm trying to list at once a few pieces...i don't risk my oils but sell drawings which are my ideas for oil paintings.....my starting price is low but often i have multiple bids and the result at the end of the week is ok...

after that time i have 'funs' and i've met REALLY WONDERFUL people there...

i put my name 'basia' in the title and ebsq but also the subject..

.i don't buy that small pic. because my drawings with ink look very unatractive on them...but i have always many viewers...maybe people are just curious because of the luck of pic...?..:)...


however...looks like is plenty of buyers at e-bay and they look for different styles and if they happy ...we are happy too...:)


happy listings for all...basia

tammy
09-03-2001, 08:13 PM
Thanks Basia,
Its good to see you post again!. Yes, until the Labor day holiday here struck this weekend, my sales were happening. I like and need the money, but I think that meeting the nice and good buyers and the excitement of it all overides the money part. :D
The money is still nice though!
Since I've been putting out the extra 0.25 for the little pictures though it has really helped. I mean in July, I was doing nothing, absolutely nothing!

jinwicked
09-05-2001, 02:37 AM
I have not had good luck with eBay at all. The problem is that I think eBay is not a major venue for art buyers to begin with. If you look at a general listing of all the auctions, about 75% won't even have one bid. I ran one of my prints for sale and the auction did not even have 100 people look at it. I have done much better through promotion through other sites/locally/ in person and over my online gallery.

I pretty much gave up on eBay long ago. :(

Sumafra
09-05-2001, 03:56 AM
Hi Jinwicked,

Sorry Ebay didn't work out for you. I had no luck the first couple of times I listed. But eventually I did. Perhaps your prices are too high. One thing about Ebay, the buyers like a bargain. So I only list things that I'm happy to get rid of on the principle that some money is better than having the piece sitting in a box in the garage. And the hope is always that in time, you will develop a reputation and with multiple bidders, that's when your prices start to rise, and then it's worth it.

leesmith
09-05-2001, 09:19 AM
Hi Jinwicked,

If you are having good steady sales thru other venues, then you don't really need ebay.:) But keeping a finger on ebay might come in handy sometime. I started using it when studio work was slack, and I'm glad I have it.

As for ebay, there are important things to learn, like the 75% that you noticed had no bids, all have auctions ending on various dates. If it were possible to check back on the ending date, you might find a different picture altogether! Many listings don't get a bid till the last day! That's a strategy that some bidders use! All you need is one bid to sell, if you listed with no reserve. Holiday listings, numbers are off. I listed over Memorial weekend and was disappointed, listings got off to a slow start, but when the holiday was over, that was another story! There are several categories that most works could list in, but the trick is finding the one that your work gets more hits. The more hits, the better the chance the work will sell. And if you want to sell on a regular basis, you must produce work that people want. Another issue is keywords; not just in the title, but also in the description. In the title your keywords must fit the art listed; but in the description, you have more leeway.

It will be interesting to see how the new art categories at ebay will affect sales. The self representing artists category will be one to keep an eye on. With so many divisions, it will be maybe easier to find particular works. The unknown is, how many bidders are searching for a particular something, then in their search, they see something entirely different than what they planned, kind of like impulse purchasing. LOL

CathyD
09-05-2001, 02:27 PM
I have been following this discussion, and I am excited to try ebay! I think I need ebay for dummies though. You have covered a lot of info here, but I am still really unfamiliar with how ebay works. I have checked it out and noticed that some paintings received bids of only a couple of dollars. Does the artist have to sell it for that? How does the reserve work, and do most of you put a reserve on your work? Thanks!

leesmith
09-05-2001, 05:15 PM
Hi Cathy,

Welcome to the fun world of ebay!

I think a reserve is best used once you have established a loyal following on ebay and when you regularly receive multiple bids on your work.

A minimum bid that is low enough to give you the cost of materials back plus something for yourself is what to first shoot for. If no one bids period, of course you don't sell. If 1 bidder bids your minimum you MUST sell at the minimum price. So think carefully about the minimum price. I see small paintings selling with a $39 to 99.00 minimum bid, with 1 bidder, but that's all you need to make a sale. What you hope for is multiple bidders, their bidding wars increase the price. It is unlikely to come out with a GREAT price for a painting that you have days and days painting time. Better to try to paint small quick works around 2 hrs tops. That's what I do usually start at a minimum of $20. 9 X 12 and 11 X 14 are an average size. 16 X 20 and up, I consider large. I've only been painting for 3 years, but if I were more experienced and skilled, I would charge more on the minimum. See the thread in this forum " Ebay tips Part II" for more on ebay.

CathyD
09-05-2001, 06:48 PM
Thanks Lee, I was mixing up reserve with minimum. I appreciate your response.

tammy
09-07-2001, 12:53 AM
Well, it has slowed down for me again after a big last week, but have no fear, Fri....day and the weekend is basicly here! Crossing my fingers and toes!

timelady
09-07-2001, 07:45 AM
Well, my sales have *definitely* picked up! Last night I relisted a watercolor (yes, I do them very occassionally! :)) for the 3rd time. It was snapped up with Buy It Now overnight! I think everyone is getting back from their holidays. I've sold 3 small pieces this week, about 35 each so it'll pay some of the rent. I've also had a response from my ongoing saga of the buyer from July who didn't want to use PayPal, still waiting for the check now but she said she added 15% to make up for the inconvenience. So I guess every cloud does have a silver lining.

Also, I joined eSRA a few weeks ago too. Still using ebsq on some auctions too, but all those that sold this week were eSRA. Interesting, although I can't tell if it was that or just September coming along. :) Time will tell. (I like ebsq's new "ebsq +" idea though!)

Tina.

arteitaliana
09-08-2001, 12:31 AM
Hi,Tina

EBSQ semm to have closed shop (they say they will stop business by September 10/2001)and cannot find this ESRA you are talking about.
Ebay has slowed down for me this week....I wonder if it has slowed down for others also. I find the weekend not very good for hits or bids, maybe in the fall this will change.
All in all ebay has been a winner for me.
I just bought a book about HTML. I have already jazzed up my descriptions a bit. My ebay username is "arteitaliana" (I wonder why....hehehe!!)
Rita:)

Shai
09-08-2001, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by timelady
Also, I joined eSRA a few weeks ago too. Still using ebsq on some auctions too, but all those that sold this week were eSRA. Interesting, although I can't tell if it was that or just September coming along. :) Time will tell. (I like ebsq's new "ebsq +" idea though!)

Hi Tina!

I was just wondering what eSRA is? Do you have a URL on them? Thanks for sharing!

Sumafra
09-08-2001, 01:35 AM
Things a little slower for me too the past couple of weeks. :crying:

timelady
09-08-2001, 05:55 AM
ebsq isn't ending - they're just closing *their own* auctions pages. I'm guessing they didn't do as well as they had hoped. EBSQ will still continue as a group, with eBay. They've even just elected new 'posts' according to the magazine.

eSRA is another self-representing group, with limited membership. I just searched on self-representing on eBay to what came up. I liked their sort of mission statement because they said they are for dedicated and full-time artists (of course, now i` can't find that on the site anywhere! :)) My faith in ebsq is being renewed, but I'm trying to distinguish myself in the market as much as I can. Their website is at http://www.valvilla.com/eSRA/

Tina.

leesmith
09-08-2001, 02:01 PM
Thanks Tina for posting that info on eSRA. I saw that in a listing the other day and wondered if was related to ebsq. With the site you furnished, I can now check out how they are similar/different than ebsq. I joined ebsq months ago but never used the ebsq; they probably dropped my membership. LOL
I hesitate to re-join because all works must be original, I haven't yet but at some time might like to do a reproduction of a long dead artist.

CathyD
09-17-2001, 02:07 AM
:D :D :D
Hi everyone! I just had to report on my first week on ebay. I am halfway through the week and on four of the paintings I posted, I have received a bid on one (the minimum) and an inquiry on another. I am really excited about this! You are right Lee, this could get extremely addictive. My ebay user name is pure_art. Come see me!

:clap:
Cathy

timelady
09-17-2001, 05:34 AM
Congrats Cathy! It's nice to get attention even if it doesn't sell. A bit of positive input keeps ya painting doesn't it? :D I think it's been quite slow this week because of the disasters, unless you're running a charity auction. If I don't list for charity (undecided, see the other thread) then I think I'll hold out until late next week before relisting.

You've got some lovely watercolors there! And good starting prices - hopefully you're not losing out too much if it sells at the minimum. Very professional description too. I reckon you'll sell all of them with a few re-listings. :)

Tina.

CathyD
09-17-2001, 12:03 PM
Thanks Tina, it is encouraging and I am happy to sell one to cover the costs invested. But as I said the week is only half over! I am going to list more this week. I have a bunch from a show I did this summer that ended up not being good for sales because the temperature was 104 degrees... we're not used to that here and the type of crowd that came out wasn't looking for art. None of the artists did well. That's ok because now I have a body of work all ready to try on ebay.

;)
Cathy

tammy
09-17-2001, 01:35 PM
That is great news. One reminder though (I have to remind myself too) is watch your listing fees! I have to try to make sure that my listing fees don't turn up to be more than I'm making. :)


I'm just saying this because it is so addicting that I something wanna list all I have and little sells so that really I lose money.

Just a reminder to think on.

CathyD
09-18-2001, 01:35 AM
Tammy you are absolutely right! Listing fees can build up in a hurry if one is not careful. I am not sure of my game plan yet as to how often I will list, but I am going to budget myself a certain amount of money for fees. What's the most listing you have done in a week, Tammy and how did you do?

Thanks,
Cathy

tammy
09-18-2001, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by CathyD
What's the most listing you have done in a week, Tammy and how did you do?

Thanks,
Cathy
oh, I'm not sure but recently about 10 or 11 and made about $100.00 on 3 of them. So, that was good for me but as far as how many I had to list just to get that , I'm not so sure. lol

leesmith
09-18-2001, 08:00 PM
Hi Cathy,

Your florals are lovely!

Congrats on your sale!

CathyD
09-19-2001, 02:02 AM
That's great Tammy, it beats having paintings sitting around the house! I think it's a numbers game until we get famous, right? LOL. Do you think that we need to keep a certain amount in to get a steady flow and also take in consideration the time of year?

Do any of you offer different types of paintings and keep track of what sells best for you?

Thanks, Lee for your kind words! :)

Cathy

kildaire
09-19-2001, 03:50 AM
Things are very very slow for me at the moment ... there are only a few things for sale as the listing can get very expensive if you dont sell anything.
Is everyone else experiencing this problem too?
Well Im haivn g to do outside work taking pictures to other shops to sell and other venues.

Guess Im just unlucky this time


keep me posted



kathleenfaith

tammy
09-19-2001, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by kildaire
Things are very very slow for me at the moment ... there are only a few things for sale as the listing can get very expensive if you dont sell anything.
Is everyone else experiencing this problem too?
Well Im haivn g to do outside work taking pictures to other shops to sell and other venues.

Guess Im just unlucky this time


keep me posted



kathleenfaith

Yep,
I'm having a problem right now too. Ever since NY's tragedy, I've been in a fluke or whatever. Can't seem to paint anything worth painting and I'm really in a big financial bind. eBay is very slow and I only have 2 listings at the moment. The Charity auctions seem to be taking precidence and well they should. I think the economy is making everyone quite nervous about their money at the moment. We're not sure what's gonna happen with an impending war and such. I don't know what I'm gonna do. Right now, I'm going to take a bunch of my stuff that didn't sell on eBay to this local shop where I have my stuff hanging and kind of exchange what I have there with what I have here.

Who knows, I might go small wooden items shopping and do some Tole for Christmas.

Sigh!!!!

CathyD
09-21-2001, 02:41 AM
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Guess what? Guess what? I just sold another painting! It was an 11x14 and it sold for the minimum bid of $65. For my first week I am just thrilled to get the minimum.

Now... I am sitting here and I am thinking what do I do next??? I have already emailed the buyer and congratulated her, and asked her for her preferences in payment and shipping. Did I do that right? What steps do you veteran ebayers follow once the bid is closed? What do you say in your emails to the buyer? I don't want to sound like I don't know what I am doing, even if it is true.
Do you usually ship UPS or USPS? Do you insure the package? Have you figured out a set shipping rate for various sizes of paintings?

I look forward to your comments.
Thanks!
Cathy

leesmith
09-21-2001, 11:20 AM
Hi Cathy,

Another sale, great!

I send an email at auction end to ask what payment method, sometimes my buyer beats me to it. In my listing I accept money order, cashier's checks or electronic check and credit card via Billpoint and I include the instant pay feature right on my listing; many times the high bidder pays immediately using instant pay at auction end right on the listing page. I found Billpoint was easy for international buyers.

For smaller items I use USPS Priority Insured. For international I let them tell me which way, cheapest or fast, they want it; on these sometimes I need to make 2 trips to PO to have it weighed and I make sure the postmaster writes the amount on the package as I've had them try to charge me more when I take it back to mail it! Even though I have a book on international rates I find there is a WIDE variation in what I am charged from PO to PO. Plus the rates are always changing! I have found the FEDEX HOME DELIVERY for US buyers can sometimes be several dollars cheaper on medium size packages, plus you get $100 of free insurance and a tracking number that you can give your buyer and they can track its progress across country while they wait for it to arrive. You can weigh your item, wrap it for the Length, width and thickness then go to www.fedex.com or www.usps.com and get an estimated rate. Course this is just an estimate since you don't know the zip code till the auction ends. I always use 90210, Beverly Hills CA to see what the max might be.

Something helpful that I do, is keep index cards in a box, write the size and type of support, high bid, and actual postage amount, seller name and email. I also number them so at all times I can have these cards to review to see what sizes, colors, subjects sold well. It is good if you find a size that sells well to stick with that then you always know at least for US buyers about what the postage is. On my listings now, I usually use a flat shipping, handling, insurance rate in the listing.

If you ship a lot of different sizes and sometimes include frames which can be heavy, the best thing is to go ahead and buy a set postage scales so that you know the weight of the item that will help you determine a flat shipping charge.

Some people use a higher minimum to cover shipping and then in the listing says " free shipping". Many ways to handle the shipping, I used to do "actual ship cost" to be fair to the buyer but always 2 trips to PO on each package so now try to make it convenient for me!

Here's my process:

email to notify buyer of win, what payment method do they plan, get address and give them a total which includes sales tax, if from my state and tell them they can pay right on the listing page using instant pay

email to confirm payment received

email to confirm item shipped and how shipped

email to confirm item received, if I don't see Feedback posted on my seller page. Once I have a sale and after shipped, I check my feedback page daily. The majority of my buyers email me on receipt, but on those that don't, I send an email maybe 2 weeks after shipping, if they have not left FB yet. In this email I tell them that I like to make sure it was received in good condition and I also use this as an opportunity to to tell them that although feedback is optional, I'm fairly new to ebay and therefore their feedback ( at ebay ) is important. As soon as they leave FB for me I leave it for them. I also leave FB for all my buyers whether they leave me FB or not, usually within 2 weeks of shipping.

I used to give feedback right away upon payment but really the transaction is not complete until your buyer receives the item in good condition and does not plan to return it. There are different opinions of when is the best time to leave FB for your buyer. Some buyers will NEVER leave you FB. I've had just one like that but after checking all the feedback she left for her other sellers I learned she was in the habit of leaving FB about a third of the time.

Speaking of FB, I've got to go and leave some myself, right now!

CathyD
09-21-2001, 02:29 PM
Lee, thanks for all that info, I really appreciate your time to write it down and sharing of what you do.

I am going to stick to a couple of standard sizes and ship them unframed. Working full time at a not artsy job, I need to keep shipping prep time down to a minimum, so I can have time to paint!

I sure appreciate this discussion and for all the input. It has launched me into marketing my art in an easy way that is able to be done on weekends and weekday evening hours. Hurray!
Thanks all!

Shai
09-21-2001, 10:41 PM
Wow! Thanks for all that info, Lee.

Although I'm not yet an 'official' eBayer [I just signed up a week or so ago and placed my first bid two days ago; nothing for sale (yet!)], I find the information here at WC very helpful as I prep myself to start selling and marketing my art.

Again, thanks for sharing!

CarlyHardy
09-22-2001, 12:37 AM
You can put a third party link on your description page for any third parties that offer services for the listed auction....examples...
BillPoint, PayPal, Etusa (for the use of software to create page)or other software co. that gives this service, Auction Watch (where your pics and auctions are listed), EBSQ (provides certificate of authentication for painting and negotiation if needed), etc...etc.

What you cannot do is give more than one link to any third party. You can put the link with their logo (ebay has a specific size for these) or you can put the link into a text....but you cannot do both.

You cannot put a link to your website in the description...and you cannot say...Go to my website at carlyart.com! The exception is...if there is a page on your website that shows more about the item you have listed...you can link to that page! and it that page can have other links to your website pages on it. You cannot say..Click on my About Me page to find a link to my website! But you can have links on your About Me page to other sites.

You can have a link to your ABOUT ME page in the item description!
You can have a link to your email address for clarifying any questions about the auction.

The nice thing is that eBay does not monitor every auction!! for infractions of the rules. But if you are turned in by someone, they will send you an email notice that you are not in compliance with their rules for the description page...and will pull your auctions if you don't comply with the rules.

You can read all the rules for yourself at the ebay site...but they are long and some are difficult to understand...lol.
carly

CarlyHardy
09-22-2001, 12:47 AM
Knowing some html is really helpful, even with the Etusa program.

I keep a template set up for all my auctions...and only change the comments about the painting itself. All the statements about shipping and payment methods are kept on the template.

I link my pics from my artistnation website with Etusa.
You can also change the background color using Etusa! I didn't know that until a couple of weeks ago...lol. But a white background is preferable for quicker loading of the page.

I use the first pic in Etusa to put my CarlyArt Logo on the description page. Other pics I want to show within the description, I write them into the description with the html.
If you want a pic to show up you can write it like this....
img src="http://www.artistnation.com/members/paris/carlyart/xxx.jpg"
Just put your url between the " " and enclose with the < >
(if I do that here...all you will see is a box with an x in it!)

You can write your own html into the Etusa program.

carly

timelady
09-22-2001, 07:24 AM
I use the img tag carly mentioned too. I do this so I can put my image at the TOP of the auction rather than at the end where eBay puts it automatically. Since I'm linking to images on my own site it doesn't matter if I use the img tag or type in the web address in the Picture box. I also put in another image using the same tag that is a banner of items up for auction. At the moment I have a few banners - one for Scottish art, one for original prints, and one for Cornwall art. It's not a link, just an image, but it means people can see 4 or 5 items I'm currently selling at once. Hopefully incentive for them to click on the rest of my auctions. :)

Oh, and I just type my html into the eBay description box. So that works too.

You guys have given even more tips I have to add to that article... sorry it's been delayed again. My exhibition is coming up next week, and my mother's visiting, so I've been frantic with stringing, framing, pricing and above all cleaning my flat! (mom's staying with me) I wondered if it's possible to publish the article in parts? Will ask Scott, because I have the first part done, the basics of listing on eBay with tips about major stuff like shipping, setting preferences, etc. Then I could do a second article with advanced tips like html, international issues, etc. Hmmm...

Well, gotta churn out some acrylic paintings for eBay today!
Tina.

CarlyHardy
09-22-2001, 10:45 AM
in Parts is a really good idea.

Part I ...How to Get Started
Part II...How to Deal with Sales
Part III...Tips to Improve your Listings..More Visability, ETC

Just suggestions! I think the article will generate a lot more questions by folks also!

We really should begin a new thread!!!
carly

CathyD
09-22-2001, 01:25 PM
Your article is going to be great, Tina. I think you should do your article in parts. There is so much info that I think you could cover it more thoroughly that way.

Here's another newbie question... I emailed the winner of the bid right after the auction ended. I know they have 3 days to get back to me, but it is the 2nd day and I haven't heard anything yet. Since this is my first sale, I am anxious for a response. Do you send a 2nd email or do you just wait patiently?

Cathy

jeneelind
09-22-2001, 01:53 PM
Hi,

Just hang tight but go ahead send another email with the info .
After that Second email I would wait a day or two for their response. If they don't respond then go ahead and get their phone number and give them a ring. Sometimes people our slow with their emails, or maybe something came up. Best thing to do is be patient.

Jen

timelady
09-22-2001, 02:30 PM
Also remember that they might only have net access at work. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and wait through Monday. :)

Tina.

tammy
09-22-2001, 06:33 PM
Cathy,

I'm waiting on my first person that has ever been really slow. I think my auction they won ended the first part of last week or so and I still haven't heard a thing from them. I know they read my e-mail because I got one of those read receipts that it was displayed on their computer. I'm still waiting. I'm pretty patient. I accept payment only by Money Order or p. check so I give people at least a week before I start really worrying about it for ex the one above. They seem to have 2 negs for slowness on their FB and the rest is wonderful so I'll be patient a while longer I guess. Seems that between the auctions ending and getting the payment and them getting the painting, nothing of mine is ever completely completed in at least up to 2 weeks time. I've heard that some will never say a thing and they will just send the payment after getting your e-mail.

You have to remember it is the internet and snail mail and sometimes it takes time. Don't think I'd wait a month on em though!

CathyD
09-23-2001, 04:49 AM
Hi Tammy, I am beginning to see that this doesn't happen in just a day or two. The good news is, my person responded tonight. That was a pretty good feeling because now this sale is beginning to feel like a reality.

Yahoo for Ebay! :clap:
Cathy

tammy
09-23-2001, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by CathyD
The good news is, my person responded tonight. That was a pretty good feeling because now this sale is beginning to feel like a reality.

Yahoo for Ebay! :clap:
Cathy


Yep, it does feel pretty good doesn't it? :D
At first it's pretty exciting but
there is a sort of ebb and flow to the whole process and you'll get used to it and soon will be a pro!

BlossomArt
09-24-2001, 11:32 PM
I posted this on another discussion, but I had to tell you how excited I am! You guys, I am thrilled to bits over how well my stuff is doing on the Auction for America on ebay! The response is really postive, and stuff that never sold before that I've relisted is now going like gangbusters! I've got bids on nearly everything!

I'm so excited on two levels - first, it's all for charity, so what better feeling is that? To know that if there was ever a time when my artwork did some good, it's now! That the money is going for the relief effort, and that maybe people are finding my work as some kind of happy influence or something! Second, that my stuff is finally getting noticed! Sorry, I don't mean to have an attack of ego right now, but it's so exciting - I'm very new at this, and had done only a couple sales, and those were to people I knew. But now, these are all what I jokingly call "Total Stranger Bids", LOL!!! I don't even mind that I'm paying shipping, I'm just so excited that people are discovering and liking my work and that it all is going to great cause!

timelady
09-25-2001, 05:29 AM
And for those of you who can't or won't take part in the Auctions for America, have a look at the eBay forums - Auction Listings. There's a new effort by sellers to band together called "S4S" and "H.O.N.O.R.S" - look for the threads with those in the titles. The HONORS thread is the original one, with an explanation in the first post. I'm taking part and already have 3 new bids. And I've bought a couple items too. Ack! :) :) :)

Tina.

leesmith
09-25-2001, 01:33 PM
This is great Tina; I read about this at ebay forums.

So if I understand you, all we have to do to participate is to use S4S or H.O.N.O.R. in our listing title. Do we have to sign up for this anywhere? It is sellers buying from other sellers things that we might normally buy elsewhere.

Which reminds me, I posted something in the Arts & Antiques Forum at ebay. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK OF THIS??? See if this makes sense, IF we could get ALL or a large percentage of the artists on ebay to agree to use Standardized MINIMUM PRICES by size of art, then everybody's starting minimum would be essentially the same, thereby causing everyone to have higher sales amounts. What I am talking about is maybe launching some kind of a United Federation or Association for Artists selling on ebay, in which membership would be merely an agreement to abide by these minimum prices, maybe with a LAUNCH DATE IN THE FUTURE in which we would all commence using the "standard" minimum starting price. This would mean that there would have to be a substantial number of artist members to agree to this and to agree that any listings on ebay after a certain date would include the standard. I had used an example of plumbers having a standardized "payscale". Kind of like a union of artists. Would this be feasible? Is something like this against ebay's rules? Is this something too far out? Or does some group like this already exist?

KatieMoe
09-25-2001, 10:22 PM
Interesting idea, Lee, but unfortunately might be considered collusion or price-fixing.

There might be different ways to approach the same idea, but requiring a group of people or organizations or companies to sell at a specific minimum price would likely be illegal. At least how I understand the issue.

It's too bad, because art is sold too cheaply on eBay, I think.

tammy
09-26-2001, 12:38 AM
Alert...I'm gonna be a whiney baby here.
Fact is I can't pay my electric bill and chances are really good that they will whack it off this week :(
I don't know if I should stop my auctions early just in case or what.
Oh well, so far since NY I'm not selling anything anyway.

Don't know why I have to say that. My brother has a computer. I bet he will let me keep track of them at his house! :) That would be good.

Hey, how long does the winning auction stay visiable to the general public after the auction closes I wonder. I've always wondered that.

leesmith
09-26-2001, 09:22 AM
Tammy, I hope that doesn't happen!:crying:

The auction is visible at least 30 days, if you click on someone's FB number, look at ending date and click one in each month and you'll see when you get the message " invalid item no longer in our datebase" or something like that. I'm thinking it may even be 2 to 3 months. Depending on the photo host, the pix may no longer be visible once the auction ends. I think your auctions are like this, you get the red X in the white box. I use ebay pix service and mine are visible for a good while. Your FB file is in there for years even when the auction details and photos are no longer there.

If the worst happens, just do your listings at your brother's.:)

PS I got a frame for Pat yesterday! Let me tell you that apparently a 9 X 12 is losing ground in the standard size department. None of Michael's beautiful open stock frames come in 9 X 12, only 8 X 10, 11 X 14, 16 X 20 and some in 18 X 24.
They had black, silver and gold metal photo frames with glass in 9 X 12 but only 3 to choose from. No 9 X 12 period at my Walmart. Looks like 10 X 13 is taking over but I don't know if artist supports come in 10 X 13. Went to Ben Franklins, and they had only 3 in 9 x 12 also and bought one there. You can still however, get 9 X 12's, currently on line thru Dick Blick, and Jerry's Artarama, but again 9 X 12s not offered in all their frame lines. So, I have come to the conclusion I'm going to phase out 9 X 12 size for ebay and either offer 8 X 10 or 11 X 14. That's interesting because many artists do offer 9 X 12 often. It just means their patron may have to pay for custom framing.

timelady
09-26-2001, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by leesmith
IF we could get ALL or a large percentage of the artists on ebay to agree to use Standardized MINIMUM PRICES by size of art, then everybody's starting minimum would be essentially the same

Could be very difficult. Prices are determined by size AND: experience, medium (etching, monoprint, lino, watercolor, acrylic, oil?), support (canvas or board or paper or ?), edition (unique or 1 of ?), overhead costs (time, other sales, insurance, etc.)

The theory is nice and I agree that art is sold too cheaply on eBay, but I don't think it would first. Mainly because eBay is an auction site and the entire meaning of that is the bidding process, which should naturally start low.

C'est la vie.
Tina.

CarlyHardy
09-27-2001, 12:29 AM
If you're interested in a group that will be doing something like this...check out the ebsq+. It will be a premier type group within ebsq....work will be juried....and prices will start at $100 or more. At least that's my understanding at the moment. For more information you can visit the www.ebsqart.com site and check out the forum messages.

I wouldn't want to even try and start a group where the price is fixed according to some scale...and I really wouldn't want to be a part of one. I think you'd have a difficult time finding members. As a self-representing artist using the auction format at eBay to sell my work, I love the autonymy (may be mispelled) that it gives me to market. I set my starting price at the lowest I'm willing to take for the painting. I consider my time, my supplies and the intrinsic value of the work (my experience, prior sales of similar works, etc). If I don't want to sell a painting...I don't list it! However, after listing, sometimes I sort of hope that a painting won't sell...lol.

I think the addition of the Self-Representing Category in Fine Arts will make a big difference in searching for paintings, too.
carly

tammy
09-27-2001, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by tammy
Alert...I'm gonna be a whiney baby here.
Fact is I can't pay my electric bill and chances are really good that they will whack it off this week :(


Ah...even though I'm so late, we called and got a 2 or 3 week extension... Saved awhile longer! yeah! Now I gotta go sell some art! or get a job and so far no one's hiring..not me anyway!

CathyD
09-27-2001, 07:13 PM
oh Tammy I know how that feels... after years of being married to a man that had the entreprenuerial (sp?) spirit, we had times like that. Although now I have a full time job and a ex- husband now , one thing I have learned is not to put your eggs all in one basket... you probably already know this. But as I am wishing to have my art be my full time job, I have already begun to do things that could be a part of my income. I sell small pieces of art and crafts in a store and am now doing the ebay thing. I like the ebay so much that I was thinking of dropping the store and spend all my time on my ebay. I have already made about as much there in 2 weeks as I have in 6 months at the store. But then I think: well, what if the internet crashes or something and I can't do ebay? Even though I get only a small paycheck from the store, it is still money. Enough to pay one of those bills that plague us all!

Tammy I wish you the best through this tight time. You probably do a lot of other things already. I hope one thing or another will get you through.

If I ever do get to be an artist full time, I think I won't be relying on just one thing for my income like so many artists do. Unless of course I become EXTREMELY famous! LoL :D
Cathy

CathyD
09-27-2001, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by CathyD
If I ever do get to be an artist full time, I think I won't be relying on just one thing for my income like so many artists do. Cathy

I did'nt say that right... I meant that most artists DON'T rely on just one thing for their income.
Cathy

leesmith
09-27-2001, 08:12 PM
Thanks Carly for a different perspective.

There's nobody twisting my arm to make me list so low! So maybe I can gradually increase my minimum bid price.:)

I may start using ebsq; still thinking on it.


Tammy, WHEW! An extension! Good girl.

to Cathy: I have a hubby for my "other means of support". :D
It's a good thing cuz I couldn't live off what I earn yet, but each year gets better.

I bank every penny from my art whether it's paintings, murals, or furniture, or retail sales of handpainted pieces. I pay for all my supplies. My bank account is the hedge against household checking account deficits:mad: I also pay $1100 per year from my account for our car insurance plus my earnings buy Christmas. My art paid for my studio, about $2,000, bought our computer, printer, scanner, and digi cam. My $ keeps growing; at some point I will feel safe to spend a little like to do some fix ups which our house sorely needs. Right now the "fix ups" would swallow my $ in one gulp! ( carpet whole house, kitchen counter, range hood, and floor, new LR furniture, house is only 9 years old! ) I feel bad sometimes that money is so tight, I had a good paying full time "regular" job but quit it 6 years ago, good riddance, no regrets. But I don't brow beat myself because I am working and bringing some $ in and someday it will make a significant difference to our family. And I don't want to give up my art, even to get a PT job! Back in January, our finances were so desparate, I was looking for a PT job! An offer came up but I was saved ( from going ) by the flu! Hee hee. Then we got our tax refund, then I started ebaying, then we got the other tax refund, hubby gets a small raise in October, then tax time in January! :D So many small "miracles" have saved me ( from a regular job ) this year!:D

Oh, I have some exciting news to tell you all; my little pop art kitty on the charity auction sold for $214.50 today! It jumped from $76.00 yesterday to $202.50 last night. Amazing! The lady that bought it was thrilled and thanked me for listing it! It's already in the mail to her too!

tammy
09-27-2001, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by CathyD
Unless of course I become EXTREMELY famous! LoL :D
Cathy Oh, I intend on doing that for sure! :D
Thanks for the well wishes. After many, many years of working for others, I got tired of working for someone else so I am determined to make this work with my art. I sell on eBay and at a local shop. Actually, doing this is similiar to say the wife working (supporting) to put the hubby through collage etc, but unfortunately my hubby decided he didn't want to work for someone else either about 3 years before I was forced to quit my job so I don't have someone to support me until I get this art thing going like he did his while I did the supporting. But I'm trying.
To be honest, a part time fill in job would be nice. It'd be a little extra but I wouldn't have the stress that a fulltime professional job would bring like my last one did. It almost killed me I think.

tammy
09-27-2001, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by leesmith
I feel bad sometimes that money is so tight, I had a good paying full time "regular" job but quit it 6 years ago, good riddance, no regrets.

Lee, we have got to be so alike! LoL My thoughts exactly for me too and we posted at the same time, only you beat me. :)

leesmith
09-27-2001, 11:27 PM
LOL Tammy!

We were probably sisters in a former life, doncha know?

Maybe you could get a "week end only" job.

Hey! My 15 year old son works at the Greensboro Coliseum for ONE 3-day week end per month and he draws a paycheck close to $300.00! The boy banked a thousand dollars this summer! I think he makes around $7 to 7.50 / hr. My daugher worked 4 days a week at a grocery store, cashier and took home around $800 per month.

Take a job if you must but for your sanity and art's sake stay away from 8 to 5 m - f.

CathyD
09-28-2001, 01:25 AM
Lee, congrats on the kittys! That is wonderful.

Tammy, hope I didn't offend... what you're going through makes me remember, and I applaud your courage for being a full time artist. I still smart from many years of no money to pay the electricity bill and am not ready to leave the comfort of a full time job.... yet.

Cathy

leesmith
09-28-2001, 10:24 AM
Tina,

Well, I have to see what you mean, the spirit of the auction, lower bids, let the market set the price.

That IS life!:D

There is an artist Constance Shield who starts all of her auctions at $8.00. Some sell in the teens, or fifty or higher; she's sold a couple over a hundred.

I have been reading the ebay forums, some of the people bidding on the AFA auctions are New Yorkers, just as I suspected since this ebay event was highly publicized there. These New Yorkers are posting "thank yous", many are first time bidders, and there are those who are saying they will continue to use ebay even after recovery from the tragedy. They are very appreciative that sellers have donated items for this charity. At the same time, many disgruntled sellers are posting negatively bemoaning the fact that the AFA is taking away their biz. I saw in the beginning and still do the potential for new buyers.

CarlyHardy
09-28-2001, 12:22 PM
Okay, here I am adding even one more post to the longest thread in the world (about ebay auctions, anyway)!

I was really glad to see someone purchased a painting that I put into the Auctions for America at eBay. It will be shipped today!! Made me feel like I was able to use my creativity to aid in a small way all the suffering and heartache of Sept. 11. I was really glad to see eBay do something like that!

I say Pooh Pooh on those who feel that Auction for America has hurt their business. I haven't seen that. Every painting I've listed this month except one has sold! at regular auctions and I've been getting more bids than usual on some of them!! The naysayers should look around at the world and realize that every business has been impacted by that day...not just theirs.

Okay..off the old soapbox! Congrats, Lee on the painting you sold! That's wonderful!
carly

tammy
09-28-2001, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by CHClements

I say Pooh Pooh on those who feel that Auction for America has hurt their business. carly

I don't think that the AFA's is what hurt biz, I think just having something as awful as what happened 9-11 is what hurt biz. It was such a shock for all of us.
I didn't have a sale that whole week (I almost didn't feel like trying to sell that week either)
but I did sell 2 items today.

tammy
09-28-2001, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by CathyD

Tammy, hope I didn't offend... what you're going through makes me remember, and I applaud your courage for being a full time artist. I still smart from many years of no money to pay the electricity bill and am not ready to leave the comfort of a full time job.... yet.

Cathy

((((Cathy)))))), I'm not offended a bit, in fact I know exactly what you are saying and is true!
Money wise, if I had of had a choice I would still be working there, but since I didn't have a choice well hindsight is great! I have panic disorder and toward the end of my employment I was always sick with something and had headaches constantly. In fact, my doctor even ran tests because he thought I had had a stroke. My panic was running rampant!

I've been unemployed a year or so now, and I haven't had to take my meds for panic the whole time and except for headaches from what I believe is from carpel tunnel, I've felt for the most part really good and haven't been sick with anything hardly at all.!
The stress there was killing me but I didn't know it until I lost the job.
:D
Any way, all that to say that No I'm not offended in the least.
When it's really time to leave a full time job, you'll know its right. I guess that's what I'm saying. :)

CathyD
09-29-2001, 12:59 AM
Tammy, I am glad you are doing so much better healthwise. I didn't know that you didn't have a choice in your job. I hope your art selling picks up. I'll keep you in my prayers!

Cathy

tammy
10-01-2001, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by CathyD
Tammy, I am glad you are doing so much better healthwise. I hope your art selling picks up. I'll keep you in my prayers!

Cathy
Thanks Cathy...I appreciate it.