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Ron van den Boogaard
06-08-2003, 09:48 AM
I'd like to hear you name your five favorite artists.

there is a meaning to this, I will get back to that after a couple of entries and give you my own as well.

Love to hear!

timelady
06-08-2003, 02:18 PM
Okie dokey! (although my 5 favourite artists can be fluid and change of course)

Oskar Kokoschka
Degas
Dave McKean
Barnett Newman
Turner

Tina.

O'Connor
06-08-2003, 05:24 PM
1)My mom
2)Paul Detlefsen
3)Rembrandt is a god
4)Monet
5)Rockwell

Keith Russell
06-08-2003, 11:25 PM
Salvador Dali

Maxfield Parrish

Syd Mead

Michael Whelan

H. R. Giger

artgorillagal
06-08-2003, 11:34 PM
I saw him in Chicago last year and was blown away!

#1. Gerhardt Richter (sp?)

2. Judy Pfaff

3. Anselm Keifer

4. Susan Rothenburg

5. Rothko

zynnya
06-09-2003, 12:10 AM
Here are 21! Don't ask me to rank them in order - but I love the art of all of them - how many of them do you all "know"?

Kouffman

Erin O'Leary

Ziv

Elie Lescot

Senoo

Sarina Baker

Garin Baker

Affronti

Yoju

Tuoti

Kate Knapp

Ann Krasner

Alicia Tormey

"Jnet11"

Penny Margolis

Regan Tausch

Stuart Wider

Rosanna Vechhio

Blickenstaff

Obed Gomez

Stefan Duncan

zynnya
06-09-2003, 02:23 AM
Would you like to see if you like their art too?:

Jakki Kouffman: http://www.ventanafineart.com/shop/kouffman.html

Erin O'Leary: http://home.earthlink.net/~erinoleary/

Sarina Baker: http://www.art.com/asp/display_artist.asp?CrID=5131&RFID=197756&FT=Y

Ichirou Senoo: http://www.ne.jp/asahi/i/senoo/sinpi-e/sinpi-0e.html

Yoju: http://www.artbyoju.com/

Penny Margolis:
http://www.egallery.com/margolis.html & http://www.americaohyes.com/pages/margolis.htm

Regan Tausch: http://www.homestead.com/ReganTausch/homepage.html

Gale Tuoti: http://www.tuotiart.com/

Ann Krasner: http://www.annkrasner.com/

Antonella Affronti: http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art50.htm & http://www.affronti.com/homeeng.htm

Alicia Tormey: http://www.aliciatormey.com/

Stuart Wider: http://www.stuartcindy.com/

Gina Blickenstaff: http://www.ginablickenstaff.com/

Obed Gomez: http://www.obedart.com/

Stefan Duncan: http://www.aufon.com/

Rosanna Vecchio: http://www.illosight.com.au/home.taf?f=artistview&_UserReference=F230D2BB35B7834F3EE41CF3&illo=18

Garin Baker: http://www.carriageart.com/paintings.html

Elie Lescot: http://www.martellyart.com/artists/elescot.htm

"jnet11":
http://heinrich.wetcanvas.com/

I think "zivart" should be at: http://www.zivart.com/ - but it's not coming up for me today. :-(

Kate Knapp: http://www.kateknapp.com.au/

Cheers,
Zynnya.

artgorillagal
06-09-2003, 08:20 AM
I made my choices based on established artists who are well known or in the art history books. I'm sure we all have great artists we admire that we know personally and I'm equally certain that many deserve to be called "famous" and perhaps will be at some point in the future but I'm not listing any of my incredibly talented friends because I think the purpose of listing *favorites* is to see if any of us have the same ones. It also serves as an indicator of our own artistic tastes and preferences. Mine run to the contemporary artist so other's favorites wouldn't include mine and vice-versa. Many of my favorite real life artists are from Dinnerware Contemporary Arts - Tucson (http://www.dinnerwarearts.com) and there are a list of artists there who are not yet *famous* but I like. Cheers. Scarlett

(Edited the link for you - Tammy) :D

artgorillagal
06-09-2003, 08:23 AM
Link doesn't work now. Hmm :confused:

erik_satie_rolls
06-09-2003, 12:33 PM
This week:

Wolf Kahn
Peter Max
Rembrandt - the drawings
J.S Sargeant
Lucien Freud

tammy
06-09-2003, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by artgorillagal
Link doesn't work now. Hmm :confused:

I found this on the search engine. Is is .com instead of .org?
http://www.dinnerwarearts.com.

artgorillagal
06-09-2003, 01:22 PM
Thank you Tammy. You are right!
:clap:

DesertDreamer
06-10-2003, 09:40 AM
I'm venturing out of the glass forums and thought this was a good place to jump in.

1) Mucha
2) Botticelli
3) Michelangelo
4) Diego Rivera
5) Dave Lenker (present-day PA artist)

Ron van den Boogaard
06-10-2003, 10:11 AM
Mine are:
Steven Rothko
Barnett Newman
John O'Carroll www.johnocarroll.co.uk (http://www.johnocarroll.co.uk)
Chapman Brothers
myself

and that was the point of putting the question here in the first place. How can it be that you are not your favorite artist?
Are we all collectively suffering from a complete lack of self-esteem. And if that is the case, what is the point of doing what you are doing in the first place?
Mow I'd like to hear you excuses for not putting yourself on the list!

Keith Russell
06-12-2003, 08:43 AM
Ron, there are two reasons why I am not on the list.

First, I'm not yet where I want to be, artistically. I have not yet been able to really create images that are close enough to (they'll probably never be exactly like) the images in my mind.

Second, I listed artists from whom I have learned something significant about art. That information cannot come from within. I cannot teach myself what I do not yet know.

Now, I may someday be able to paint as I'd really like to, but I'll never be able to know (and teach myself) what I don't know.

So, I may never be my own favourite artist--but that's OK. Artists don't (and I believe, cannot) perceive their work in the same way as their audience. We view the entire process, while the audience--for the most part--only views the finished product.

K

artgorillagal
06-12-2003, 09:46 AM
I'm not on the list because I suffer from "Why is it that his/her cooking always tastes so much better than mine?" syndrome. Also, I do like the work of those I named better than my own. I agree with Keith; I'm not where I want to be artistically. I feel I am capable of so much more than where I'm at. The trick to being an artist is to keep on keeping on and eventually get there. I doubt any that we admire ever feel content either, from the few *famous* ones I've met.

Good point you are trying to make though...

El_Elegante
06-12-2003, 12:47 PM
Edvard Munch
Salvador Dali
Andre Masson
Mark Tobey

Tied for 5th: Paul Gauguin, Van Gogh, Pollock, De Kooning, Monet, Degas, Chagall

Notables that do not even in my top 500:
Georgia O'Keeffe, Roy Lichtenstein, Warhol, Duchampe, Picasso, Amedeo Modigliani, Paul Klee, Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec

blkros
06-12-2003, 01:44 PM
Picasso
Matisse
Joseph Cornell
Jasper Johns
James Koehnline
(Several more come to mind, but you only wanted 5, so there you are.)

I'm not on the list, because, today, I think my stuff is crap.

Tomorrow I might change my mind. :D

Ron van den Boogaard
06-13-2003, 08:41 AM
Apart from the really interesting choices presented here. I am amazed that there is an opinion on one own work "being crap".
I know the phenomenae about your own work not living up to your expectations. I have suffered from this as well in a past.
These days I let the painting at hand dictate itself and although I have always a plan when I start out after awhile I let the painting take over and arrive in completely different places than intended. Hence there is no frustration with my own work as there is no expectation. Secondly when seeing shows, exhibits and others studios I always do have a strong sense that not everything has been said yet and i can still make a valid contribution.

Hence I am a fan of myself (and luckily I have quite a few others too)

Elven Prince
06-13-2003, 11:07 AM
Walt Disney
Dr. Suess
Alan Lee
Degas
John James Audubon

I am not on there because (as several people have said) I think that all named above are far better artists than I am.

Good point you are trying to make though... I agree, VERY good point! We all need a raise in self esteem every now and then!:D

Christie
06-13-2003, 11:13 AM
DaVinci
Monet
Berthe Morisett (sp?)
Degas
Michelangelo

Piles of others, but I am drawn to specific pieces, not to specific artists.

My work in no way compares to what these people could do, but I am working on it! Not low self esteem, just realistic. :)

In a few years, I'll revisit this again. :)

erik_satie_rolls
06-14-2003, 12:08 PM
Ron, I think some of us don't list ourselves out of modesty. I don't mind putting my best foot forward professionally, but among friends, as here, to tout my own self love would probably become annoying.

Your point is well taken. I think some of us if pressed would admit that we are on our own list, for the reasons you mentioned. At my age, I don't compare very much, I just make the art, because there's scarce little time to waste.

Thanks for an insightful thread.

dan

SanDL
06-14-2003, 12:21 PM
This is too hard.
But in this particular moment in time(and not in this order)

Joseph Cornell
(uhm, I'm suddenly stumped because I can think of favorite paintings or sculptures but that doesn't mean I liked all of the work of that given artist)
well then, carry on
Lucien Freud
Cy Twombly
Mark Rothko
Jan Vermeer
Rodin

Keith Russell
06-14-2003, 10:18 PM
Ron, I never said my own work is 'crap'.

But the fact that that my work is probably not crap, doesn't mean that I consider myself among those I consider the five 'best' artists thus far...

K

CarlyHardy
06-16-2003, 06:34 PM
I have two true favorites....

Cezanne
Wolf Kahn

Although I have enjoyed viewing the works of many (living near the High Museum in Atlanta is nice), these two continue to have an influence on my work.

I also have some "not so well known" artists who are favorites not just because of their art, but because of the impact they've made upon me as an artist striving to learn...

Marsha Savage
Barbara Curlee
Alan Flattmann
Susan Sarback


Why don't I list myself as a favorite? because I don't like most of what I do!
carly

DanaT
06-18-2003, 05:01 PM
Interesting Ron.

When I first read the question, I thought OK

Sargent
Velasquez
Van Gogh
Monet
Ribella (contemporary of Velasquez)

then when you asked why we didn't put ourselves down, I wondered huh?

Because when I'm painting, I AM my favorite artist. Its just when I look at my work a couple of days later that I'm not.

hellerious
07-01-2003, 04:00 PM
I used to be into lists like these, but no longer am. Now I just feel it's important to be aware of what moves and touches me and why. Anyway, the truth is, there's just no way for a reply from me on this not to sound absurdly arrogant and insolent here if it's truthful, but so be it. When I'm working, which is just about nearly all the time lately, my one and only favorite artist in the universe is ME, it's got to be ME ME and only ME. Not only that, but all the others I love and adore, the Lucien Freuds, the Barnet Newmans, the DaVincis, van den Boogaards, Dalis, Riveras, Rothkos, all the others that send a shiver up my spine and knock my socks off, I must shut out of my head or else I'd go mad or worse, try to imitate them, probably without even realizing, and then where would I be? I have no regrets or shame or embarrassment all about this, it just IS. When I walk through a gallery or a museum, that's another story, but even so, haven't we still each got to somehow find a way to be our own biggest fan?

Hellerious

DanaT
07-01-2003, 04:13 PM
You make sense, hellerious. Now if I can just stop myself from looking at my paintings afterwards, my reputation as a genius is secure.

:D

(no, but seriously, when you paint, if you're not your favorite artist, maybe you should find something else to do-

that's the rhetorical 'you' there)

I just read a book on famous artists who talked about works of their favorite artists. It was an amazing read and I learned something about my old favorites that I hadn't realized before.

Rose Queen
07-01-2003, 05:12 PM
Dana, share with us the name of the book you read, please. It sounds quite interesting!!



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DanaT
07-01-2003, 06:44 PM
Sure, Rose!

Its called Portraits: Talking with Artists at the Met, the Modern, the Louvre, and Elsewhere by Michael Kimmelman.

Some of the artists interviewed:

Balthus
Elizabeth Murray
Francis Bacon
Richard Serra
Kiki Smith
Roy Lichtenstein
Lucian Freud
Susan Rothenberg and Bruce Nauman
Henri Cartier-Bresson
Cindy Sherman
Wayne Thiebaud
Leon Golub and Nancy Spero
Brice Marden
Jacob Lawrence
Hans Haacke
Chuck Close

Some of the artists whose works are discussed:

Pietro della Francesa
Georges de la Tour
Paul Cezanne
Gustave Courbet
Johannes Vermeer
Pablo Picasso
Philip Guston
John Constable
Diego Velasquez
Jackson Pollack
Barnett Newman
Alberto Giacometti
Gerhard Richter
Edgar Degas
Francisco Goya
Jacques-Louis David
Jean Honore Fragonard
William Hogarth
Jean-Baptiste Chardin
Salvador Dali
Rembrandt van Rijn
Jean-August-Dominique Ingres
Willem de Kooning
Thomas Eakins
Pierre Bonnard
Henri Matisse
Jean Antoine Watteau
Paul Cadmus
Auguste Rodin
Giorgio Morandi
Rockwell Kent
William Harnett
Albert Pinkham Ryder
Agnes Martin
Ben Shahn
Jose Clemente Orozco
Thomas Hovenden
August Sander
Pierre Renoir
Marcel Duchamp
Eduard Manet
Caspar David Friedrich
Rogier van der Weyden
Frans Hals

I was surprised that a lot of artists thought that Vermeer dehumanized his subjects. Haven't finished it yet but its an interesting read.

Rose Queen
07-01-2003, 06:48 PM
Rats! The only copy in my library system is overdue and has been billed for, which sounds pretty hopeless... :mad:

sometime later... Hey, the LA Public Library system has four copies not checked out and they're going to ship me one! Yay!!!



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~Memory~
07-01-2003, 07:30 PM
I have many admirations, as far as artists go. I couldn't simply choose 5. Here are the ones that most intrigue me for various reasons: (use of color, subject matter, originality, overall composition)


Georgia O'Keeffe (love her freeflowing abstract florals)

Alfred Gockel (admire his organic pieces)

Henri Matisse (Love his use of color)

Vincent Van Gogh (such lively colors, he was a master.)

Pablo Picasso (his portraits and nudes are my favorites)

Rene Magritte (La Promesse, La Magie Noir, The Surprise Answer, & Le Modele Rouge are among my favorites.)

Michaelangelo (His anatomical knowledge was superb)

Shag (Very jet-setter feeling. I admire his lively compositions. You can find some of Shag's work on www.laluzdejesus.com it's an underground art/outsider art gallery. They show a lot of artists who aren't necessarily mainstream, but their work is stupendous and very original.)

Liz Mcgrath (an amazing artist. She has been an inspiration to me. A lot of her work/dioramas are influenced by the look and feel of old carnival freakshows. By far one of my favorites of the new generation of artists. You can find her artwork on her webpage www.elizabethmcgrath.com it's worth checking out.)

MikLNjLo
07-04-2003, 04:32 AM
Istvan Sandorfi
Michelangelo
Michael Parkes
Richard Schmid
Pino
Salvador Dali (bonus 6th)

Unless it is in question, I do not usually think to proclaim it when I love or hate myself. I live it out and it influences everything I do. If I am thinking "I love myself" or "I hate myself" this is a sign that I need something that is missing.

I do my best (or at least feel best) when I feel good about myself, life and what I am doing (doesn't happen often enough).

Think of what a place the world would be, what beauty we would all create and share in, what things we would do for each other if we only loved ourselves. Not many do.

DanaT
07-04-2003, 03:57 PM
Good point, some say, that the goal of self-esteem is to think so highly of yourself that you can stop thinking of yourself altogether.

paintergirl
07-05-2003, 11:09 AM
Emily Carr
Jan van Eyck
Van Gogh
Matisse
AJ Casson

anyone schooled in the traditional Haida art.

DanaT
07-06-2003, 12:07 AM
What is traditional Haida art?

~Memory~
07-06-2003, 01:42 PM
I was wondering about that too DanaT, so I looked it up on the internet, and here are a few web pages that lend some info, it appears to be a particular art form attributed to the Haida tribe from Haida Gwaii, an archipelago of islands (the Queen Charlotte Islands) off the northern coast of British Columbia near the province's border with Alaska:

http://www.civilization.ca/aborig/haida/haaindxe.html

http://www.museevirtuel.ca/Exhibitions/Inuit_Haida/haida/english/art/wa1.html

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/1937/haida.htm


:)

Dreams-of-Flight
08-04-2003, 12:16 PM
Odilon Redon
Alphonse Mucha
Leonardo da Vinci (my all time hero)
rembrandt
Michaelangelo
turner
Lucian Freud
georgia O'Keefe
Edvard Munch
Modigliani


there are many, many more but these were the ones I thought of first.

Keith Russell
08-04-2003, 12:21 PM
Jacek Malzcewski

Georges de la Tour

Carlos Schwabe

Phil Hale

Gottfred Helnwein

Ron van den Boogaard
08-04-2003, 12:35 PM
And still no-one who puts his own name on the list.

Was reading the story today of an artist who did murals all over SoHo (NY), all reading either "I am the best artist" or the abbreviation "IATBA". Some still seem to exist, though personally I don't recall ever having seen one. In a way he really understood.

Is there a general low self-esteem here?

timelady
08-04-2003, 03:33 PM
I had a think about your challenge about putting ourselves on our lists. Here's my thoughts, but they might not quite make sense! :) Let the rambling begin....

Firstly, I like my work. It makes me cry, shout, dance, laugh and feel all squooshy inside. But much of my artwork, for me, is about the process and the doing. That's why I have little atttachment once they're done and am happy to let them go to sale. With my own work I see everything - not just the nice bits but the frustration, knowing when the subject is stale and I'm forcing it, knowing when it isn't quite what I wanted to achieve, knowing I haven't yet reached the 'ideal' if there even is one. (By the time I find it I'm sure I'll have a new ideal to strive for.) With the artists I admire I only have the idealised view of their life. The books tell us about the progress of their career but without the day to day dullness and frustration. We see bodies of their work post-mortem so to speak, so seldomly do we see what they might have considered their weak work. We get nice perfected displays of their collections. With our own work, since we are living it, we see the good and the bad, the sublime and the horrific disasters. So we view ourselves with a bit more objectivity. Doesn't mean we don't hold ourselves in high esteem. :)

As for the work directly... I do not necessarily paint to express the same things as the artists I admire. With most of those who influence me, only parts of their method or ideas influence me. Parts of my work are just mine. To be very honest, the kinds of paintings I enjoy looking at long term and the kinds I would like on my walls are not the paintings I produce. Favourite, to me, implies those artists whose work I like and can look at day after day. This does NOT mean I don't like what I produce - I love it and feel it's very expressive. But I want to express it and have to go OUT into the world! :D I don't need to look at it everyday because it's already in my head and in front of my eyes all the time - it's how I see the world around me. If I were my favourite artist then I guess I wouldn't need to actually *paint* it. It's already there. Into my world I want to bring the things that I don't express myself but that speak to me in other ways on other levels. The people who express those things, different things than I do, are my favourite artists. I am my favourite me. ;) (please don't bring up reincarnation or multiple personalities)

Tina.

DanaT
08-04-2003, 04:02 PM
Interesting tina. Yes, there's a distinction between the creator and the appreciator. We have different roles and we see through different eyes.

On the other hand, I just saw a book, "How to Survive and Prosper as an Artist" and the author claims that the visual arts profession is the worst at people managing their professional career simply because artists don't recognize the situations where they have bargaining power. She goes on to say that people making money off of artists make more money than the artists they're making money off of because artists as a rule don't position themselves well and are bad at negotiating. Low self-esteem? That's one of the reasons she gives; I'll prolly know more when I finish the book.

LilKitten
08-04-2003, 07:01 PM
Vaughn Bode
Curt Swan
Mike Grell
Lynn Johnson
Wil Eisner

Ron van den Boogaard
08-05-2003, 08:43 AM
Tina

what you're saying is very true. At the same time, over a period of time, some of my work I will start to appreciate, although be it in a more collective sense as the body of work rather than the individual pieces.
At the same time what you said is probaly true for the artists we admire as well. Seems like the general doubts we all have about our work.

Dana, I am really interested to hear what the book concludes once you're done with it. Being an artist by default moves one into the position of entrepreneur and we don't always seem to be cut out for that part.
I am currently reading Jack Trout on 22 marketing cases, trying to figure out how that is gonna help me along with the business side of things.

Well, off to paint again in the terrible heat

sassybird
08-05-2003, 09:07 AM
Salvador Dali
Albrecht Durer
Paul Klee
Maryu Cassatt
James Whistler
and our own Axl_Happy_Goth

Keith Russell
08-05-2003, 04:53 PM
Ron, I am not going to lie to myself--

--period.

My favourite visual artists are not only my favourites, they have created what I consider to be the best visual art I have thus far observed.

If I put my name on that list right now, it would be a lie.

I try not to lie.

My art is not yet the best, nor is it among the best, that I've so far seen.

When my name deserves to be on that list, believe me, it will be.

If you wish to accuse me, specifically, of any lack of self-esteem, I can only refer you to my archived posts here.

No one who knows me doubts that I have an ego...

K

Stoy Jones
08-05-2003, 07:36 PM
There are very few that I can say I don't like, but my most favorite are..

Mary Blair
Sir Lawrence Alma Tadema
John Waterhouse
Van Gogh
Winslow Homer

and no, I'm not on my list.

Stoy

gillyvu
08-05-2003, 11:07 PM
Today my favorite artists are:
1. Norman Rockwell
2. Raphael
3. Leonardo Da Vinci
4. Tom Tompson
5. All the art I see everyday, of who I don't know the creator, and hardly ever give a second thought/

DanaT
08-10-2003, 11:32 AM
Lot of good artists coming out of this thread.

I just saw some work by Odd Nedrum, a Norweigan artist who paints disturbing subject matter in the classical tradition. Such a play of contrasts, I'm fascinated by it although I'm not sure if I like it.