Loyhead Lake- Oil...

[LarrySeiler]

This has been one of my favorite lakes to paint, and secluded areas to visit. I've done a number of plein airs on this site, but whipped this 12" x 16" in my classroom, dabbling a bit here and there over the past couple days. Trying to keep it in the spirit of a plein air, I limited myself to no more than 2 hours.

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What has made it especially fun is that my juniors and seniors saw how "marks" add up to "illusion"...which was what they enjoyed so much about seeing Carl Rungius's work up close and personal two weeks ago on a field trip.

Last week for my seniors...next my last for the others. Looking forward to summer, but I'll miss these kids!

Larry

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[Julia]

Hi, Larry
May be you don't remember me, I was away for a while. Some time ago we had a short dispute over oil techniques. I've done a number of new things. So, if you are interested, you may look them up.
And I like this piece of yours, only the shadows seem too dark (blue and black??).
Julia http://julia.artistnation.com

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[LarrySeiler]

Hi Julia..

You're right. About the shadows being kinda dark. I keep forgetting when adjusting something on a Mac...that one appears darker on the monitor than on the PC, or lighter, etc;

It looked fine today when I uploader this at school on my iMac, but looks darker on my PC...so, tomorrow...I'll lighten it up and try uploading again.

Actually...there is a slight subtle orangish red put in a few places in the foreground water reflecting off the shore.

My darks were made using thalo green and Rose Madder. No black. Blues, violets and various colors in the dark shadows. So, will try again tomorrow. Wierd really how that happens between the mac and pc.

I'll check your site out, and get back to you! No doubt when I see your site, it'll come back to me. Talk to you later!

Larry

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[wendee]

looks like a photograph....lovely http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[animal]

http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/eek.gif Larry! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/eek.gif
I really like this painting. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I especially like how you did the water and the trees. I also like the colours you have used. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[LarrySeiler]

Thanks Wendee and Animal....

I'm going to retake the digital photo today at school, and try to upload it a bit lighter. I think what looks lighter on the Mac, will actually appear darker on a PC. Since most people view with a PC...I guess that warrants the need to change.

I'm learning...like everyone else, so appreciate the comments. It seems in my nature I can sense a change. Don't know if its age...or, if I've had enough successes with more spontaneously painted work over the past few years...but, I have very little interest in laboring over a work to pull off a tightly rendered realism, when if I can get the viewer to simply stand a pace or two further back they can nearly experience the same effect.

I look at this and think, "if I can do this, and get away with this in less than 2 hours...why put 200 hours into it?"

Of course...if its a large canvas it will take more time...but, I've done larger such as 24" x 48" in about 14 hours as compared to three-hundred. I was hoping to re-direct a new evolution in my painting style...but never expected it to be so dramatic. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/eek.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

Larry

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[blondheim12]

A lovely composition Larry.
Love,
Linda

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[LDianeJohnson]

Larry,

I'm on a Mac and the painting looks "yum" from here!

D.

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[LarrySeiler]

Thanks Diane.....

Just out of curiosity now...I am uploading the image from my PC...let's see if it appears different. That alone is noteworthy and an education for some here. One reason that art brokers make sales more user friendly for buyers online to allow first that the painting arrive and be checked out before the purchase is solidified. To see if the work compares to their monitor's image.

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Well....more of the color in the water's reflection is visible now in this second one from the position of viewing my PC...wonder now how others would see it, and confirm.
-Larry

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[Phyllis Rennie]

Colors I see in the reflections are dark navy (almost black), bluish purples, rusty reds and oranges. But I think every monitor is different too. When I sneak a peek at work (shhhh...don't tell), everything looks pale compared to my monitor at home. And the computer systems are similar.

The painting is lovely.

[LarrySeiler]

Okay...I took a new photo and reloaded it, and hope this one shows less dark on the PC's...looks just fine on my iMac here at school now. You should see oranges and purples in the dark shadows and reflections in the water.

I'm going to send a jpeg home in case I need to redo it on my PC.
-Larry

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[LDianeJohnson]

Larry,

Just in the way of feedback...the second image looks similar to the first one you posted; from my computer.

D.

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2001/2002 Plein Air Workshops (http://www.LDianeJohnson.com/workshops/)

[LarrySeiler]

thanks Diane...and I take it you are saying this looking at a Mac.

Definitely see the color difference between the two on my PC...strange, strange, strange.

Larry

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[TPS]

Well folks, I don't know about you...but my monitor has controls that allow you to adjust the colors, contrast, etc. Perhaps yours does too. Check the manual.

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[LarrySeiler]

Oh sure...calibration. There is however, a difference between Macs and PC's...and that came out at a professional Photoshop Conference I attended several weeks ago. I was surprised to hear it, but...I have seen it now that I'm paying attention.

Thanks though, and a good suggestion it is. Calibration should be done for one's scanner and printer as well.

Larry

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[Sandi]

Another wondrous beauty that drops my jaw. You're amazing Larry!
Love those purples and blues especially.

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[Rosemarie]

Hi Larry!
Love your painting. I can see the difference between the to and I'm using Mac.

How it looks can also depend on how the brightness and constrast setting are on the computers.

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[LarrySeiler]

Thanks....

If the submission gets accepted, there will be a new demo up soon here at Wetcanvas. I was out the other "mosquito off and on rainy day" here in NE Wisconsin...set up along a roaring waterfall looking down from the slope of a rock into the tumultuous foam. Talk about fun, and a challenge. The water whizzing by a gazillion miles an hour!

I tried to remain faithful to the naturalistic cause, yet the spontaneity of color and brushwork cannot but help appear post-impressionistic or somewhat modern. It calls for some risk taking, which I talk about in that article. Look for it...I think y'all will be amused!

Larry

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[Kevin M]

As you say Larry, your second image has more apparent colour in the water reflections. I am viewing on a PC.

In the past I have had some surprises when doing prepress images on PC and then viewing them at my local service bureau which works mainly on the Mac. The difference arrises because Macs are calibrated to a gamma of 1.8 whilst Windows opts for a gamma of 2.2 which is considerably darker. Photoshop's Adobe Gamma which is located in Windows control panel allows you to save alternate color profiles for your monitor with which you can review your images and see how they will appear on other machines.

Why there is a differnce between the two has never been adequately explained to me. A standard gamma of 2 would make sense. However, as in most things pertaining to computing, why make things simple, when at no extra cost, you can make them extremely complicated.

Kevin

[paintfool]

Two hours? you KILL me Larry! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Absolutley lovely, as always! I hope your students realize how priviledged they are!
Cheryl

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[Reye]

Larry
I appreciate the tips that are embedded in conversations about this piece...especially regarding painting shadows - colors etc. I have been told different things by different teachers but I find better information here and on wetcanvas in general.
Kudos to you and everyone else here.
Regarding the differences in the two images, on my PC I see the color in the reflections that I do not see on the first one.

Jerry

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[Leaflin]

Larry,
Thank you. I always enjoy reading and learning from what you have to offer us.

Plus, That is a mighty nice painting http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"Imagination makes you see all sorts of things." Georgia O'Keeffe

[LarrySeiler]

Thanks Jerry, and that also is good argument for why we adapt a willingness to work with online art brokers who handle and hold the money of sales until the buyer gets a chance to look at the work.

I try very hard to match the image of the monitor to the work, but...one monitor does not speak for all!

I am, however...usually always satisfied with the darks...though it is a struggle sometime to show colors that appear in those areas.

My darks are entirely made up of mixtures that compliment the painting's overall feel. I never use black in an outdoor painting.

On the other hand, Sargent made black work, and then again...he was a master!

Larry

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