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MarshaSavage
05-01-2001, 09:09 AM
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<u>Twin Creeks Merge, 10" x 14"</u>
This is my first submission for a critique from ya'll. I appreciate constructive criticism, so don't mince words, please. I had trouble because there was so much dark shade. The painting is a pastel, but the scan from a photograph is not quite as sharp as the painting. Thanks!

Jimbo68
05-01-2001, 10:01 AM
I'm not mincing words, but this is really beautiful. I wish you'd posted a bigger image, but from what I can see I _really_ like how you handled the sunlight on the water and distant trees. I also think the water looks real enough to wade in and catch crawdads http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

GC
05-01-2001, 10:10 AM
I agee with the above. very lovely!
Wonderful light.

Ginette

MarshaSavage
05-01-2001, 10:27 AM
Thanks for your kind words. The size of the image was kind of hit-and-miss. I am still new at scanning and getting the image the right size for various applications. You should see how many times I have to do that to get it right for my web page. Maybe I'll try another image size to see if I can get more info for you to critique.

I thought I had a hard time showing the transition from the bank, which dropped off, to the water. I was afraid it would look too hard.

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Fagan
05-01-2001, 10:34 AM
Marsha...you handled the transition from water to bank just fine. This is a beautiful painting. I am partial to that play of light and dark. Very well done. Did you do this plein aire? or in the studio? or both?

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MarshaSavage
05-01-2001, 10:40 AM
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Another look at this image. This might be a better scan, without any cleaning up of the image.

Thanks Beverly, for your words on the bank. That bottom section took me longer than the whole rest of the painting - trying to make it colorful, not just dark. There is blue, red and green in that bank. The painting was done in the studio, but I have painted many plein air at my cabin by the Toccoa River in Blue Ridge. Hopefully, it makes my studio paintings look plein air. Do you think it looks "studio"?

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MarshaSavage
05-01-2001, 10:42 AM
Sorry guys -- I thought that second image would be bigger - but I guess I don't have a handle on this scanning thing yet. I saved it larger than the first one - but it looks the same size????? Guess I better go find a discussion on scanning and saving.

Thanks! Marsha

Fagan
05-01-2001, 10:45 AM
No...it definitely has the look of you actually being at that spot. Even if you start the picture plein air and finish in the studio, you will get the same look. I just visited your website....very very nice! The only thing is if you could click on the smaller pictures and it would bring up a much larger version so you can see it better. I have only driven through Georgia on the way to Florida. I would like to come and take a little time to visit the area. It looks so green and inviting.

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Roan
05-01-2001, 10:45 AM
Marsha,

Lovely painting! Please post a copy in the Pastel forum http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

If you do upload a larger image, please make sure it's not over 500 pixels in width or height. Anything larger than that and it's too big for the majority of members to view on one screen.

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MarshaSavage
05-01-2001, 10:56 AM
Beverly, thanks for visiting my site -- I am trying to update my site and I will be fixing it so that a larger image will appear upon clicking on the small one. When I learned enought html to create my site, I only learned to use the "title" to bring up the larger image. I am teaching myself the html and it is a slow process -- I don't want to take too much time away from the painting. I have also just downloaded a trial version of a web site builder - but so far I am not too pleased -- I like my building compared to their templates or assistants.

But, go back and take a look at the larger images by clicking on the titles. Thanks. By the way I went to your site and love your landscapes and fruits. Didn't stay long, but will visit another time, I am trying to get off the computer and to the easel.

See ya! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Marsha

jerryW
05-01-2001, 11:40 AM
Bold work with color.
Is this OIL pastel? Very detailed all round and particularily wonderful in the top half. In the bottom, you need a bit more non-brown color to make it sing.

bbbilly1326
05-01-2001, 11:55 AM
Beautiful and Southern-summery looking.

Bill

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ZOTMA
05-01-2001, 01:09 PM
I agree with jerry on the color but don't mess with the water at all, great. I REALLY want to be right there so thanks for the visual treat. The branches are very well done and the one in the front looks so heavy (the way they really look/are). I miss trees/scenes like that here in So.Az.

MarshaSavage
05-01-2001, 01:09 PM
Jerry,

The painting is not "oil" pastel, but "soft" pastels. Rembrandts, Sennelier, Schmincke and Unison soft pastels -- not sure if spelled correctly.

Thanks for what you said, but the bottom half is not really brown colors. It did not scan very well, but the original has dark burgundy, purple, dark blue, and dark green. But, I do know what you are trying to tell me -- even though I have those colors there in the original, from a distance it still reads as a brown -- and I am trying to get more bold.

Actually, I have a painting on the easel I started just about two hours ago, that has only teals, blues, purples mostly in it. I am liking it and sitting back to see where I want to go with the direction it seems headed in. Too bad I don't have a digital camera, I would post it the in-progress stage for suggestions. May be my next purchase - any suggestions for a good middle-of-the-road-price range digital?

Thanks - back to work! lunch over!

Marsha

animal
05-01-2001, 01:56 PM
Marsha! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/eek.gif
This is GREAT! I especially like how you have done the lights and darks on the trees and the textures of the wtaer. I also like the colours you have used. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

arourapope
05-01-2001, 02:22 PM
HI Marsha! I didn't realize you were a fellow Georgia person. That is such a beautiful area you are in! My hubby and I are trying to make it back up to the northern end of the state to live. It's just so flat and piney down here....
Anyway, this is a beautiful piece! I can't believe it's pastel! And I have nothing at all to critique! Wish I could see it in person.
I have a Nikon Coolpix 800. We bought it last year and love it. It's about mid-range, and suites our purposes for just about everything (heheheh, except making slides, I'm afraid, but maybe it does.....) If you go this route, make sure to shop around online, because we found some pretty big price differences for the same camera. You might want to invest in a good memory card also. The camera comes with a small one, but it can only fit about 8 jpgs at 72 dpi on it. That's fine for alot of things, but if you want to take it on the road, you will want something with more space.
Anyway, love your painting! I will go see your site later on today.....gotta go pick up my son from school right now, though.
Aurora

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olika
05-01-2001, 05:08 PM
Marsha, you have done such a wonderful job that a person looking at the painting feels as they are indeed looking out from shadows http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Why do I make it so hard?
Gerri

MarkL
05-01-2001, 05:53 PM
Marsha this is so cool Iíve been thinking about giving pastels a shot and now im even more convinced to have a go.
(((excellent)))

MarkL

weece
05-01-2001, 06:31 PM
This would be a lovely place to go camping......hmmmmmmmm..... wish I could go there right now!!!!

TeAnne
05-01-2001, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by MarshaSavage:
I am trying to update my site and I will be fixing it so that a larger image will appear upon clicking on the small one.
Marsha

Hi Marsha, welcome to wc http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I have just done that with my site too.My thumbnails are all approx. 2k's. It opens up quicker now. I use the Netscape composer for all my webpages. No html needed.
Your painting is fantastic. I am going to have to visit your site and see more. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif



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Shirl
05-01-2001, 08:36 PM
Now if this doesn't make you want to go camping, nothing will. Am enjoying this tremendously.

Shirl

Ohju
05-01-2001, 10:17 PM
This is wonderful! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
I don't mind the value of the darks at all.
Just plain wonderful!
~Ju

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rsmak
05-02-2001, 12:49 AM
It is fabulous, nice work.
rosanna

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MarshaSavage
05-02-2001, 07:53 AM
Thanks -- Ya'll!
You all seem to have hit upon the essence I wanted to convey with this painting. How wonderful it feels to sit beside a creek like this in the coolness of those trees. Watching the sun beam down on that water is hypnotizing (spelling?).

You have all made my first try at this critique forum a pleasant one. I appreciate all your thoughts and will give another one a try soon.

Marsha -- http://marshasavage.artistnation.com

roxanne_mc
05-02-2001, 08:03 AM
Welcome to wetcanvas! great pastel.. I know I have been there.. Rox

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JeanineJ
05-02-2001, 01:01 PM
Let me join the chorus of praise for this beauty! I do agree with Jerry about all the brown in the water... Honestly, I didn't realize it was water until I read posts... Should be an easy fix with everything else working so well!

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MarshaSavage
05-02-2001, 02:07 PM
Unni - thanks for your kind words and it doesn't matter what level you are. You probably know what bothers you or not and that is what is important to hear from an unbiased person.

Jeanine - I'm not sure what you meant by the brown water that you did not realize was water. The bottom is a bank, though there is in the scanned picture what looks like brown water in the creek. It is not really brown, but a mixture of burgundy, darkest blue and darkest green. If you have ever looked at a creek in shade, one that is only a few inches deep possibly, you can see the bottom. That is what is painted with a few highlights where there is movement in the water reflecting the sky or trees are whatever is above it. Hope you can tell the difference in the bank and the water. Let me know if you can't. Thanks!

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Unni
05-03-2001, 12:38 AM
Hello Marsha,

Welcome to the wetcanvas critique forum. Your work is absolutely marvellous. I think I am not competent enough to comment on your work, but looking from an ordinary person's point, it is just wonderful.

I visited your site and should admit that your pastel works are simply stunning. You have an eye for reality and also creativity in making them true on the surface you work.

Good luck and let us see more of your works.

Unni

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Victor
06-07-2001, 04:09 PM
I am fairly new to wet canvas so haven't got round to viewing all the posts yet. This one is a knock out, absolutely beautiful.... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Victor.

wendee
06-08-2001, 06:12 AM
Excellent http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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dustiiart
06-08-2001, 07:58 PM
Aaaaahhhh, I'm on vacation http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif, this is absolutely beautiful. Now, if I dig those pastels of mine out of the garbage ...??? hmmm http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

dustii

MarshaSavage
06-09-2001, 08:08 AM
Thank you Victor, Wendee and Dustii for your words. Isn't it funny how a topic gets resurrected? This painting is already framed and in a gallery in North Georgia. The site of the painting is also near this gallery, and people are able to rent the cabin where this stream is. It will probably sell to someone that has rented it and wants to remember their good times there!

Dustii, be sure to dig those pastels out of the garbage -- they are so much fun! So immediate. Well, I will post another painting for critique - one I have been working on for about 5 months, have changed it so many times - it is now time to finish it if possible. Look for it soon.

Marsha --
Marsha Hamby Savage Art (http://marshasavage.artistnation.com)

jerryW
06-09-2001, 08:43 AM
Hi,
the brown effect I noticed was not in the water but the earth.
the water can be very brown, but the earth which we think of as brown must not be.

MarshaSavage
06-09-2001, 08:52 AM
Jerry - the ground is not really brown in the original. There is quite a bit of dark burgundy, darkest purple, blue and olive green. Photographing and scanning does not do this piece justice. But thanks for your ideas - and I agree, about brown, I probably never, almost never, use them. I try to create them with other colors!

Marsha --
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jerryW
06-09-2001, 08:57 AM
yellow and pink, bright green etc. dirt is anything but dirty.

MarshaSavage
06-09-2001, 09:42 AM
You are so right! I am trying to break out of the green mode - the too literal mode. I keep telling myself to punch up the color, and I always temper it too much. Next dirt I paint will be more colorful -- thanks!

Marsha --
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henrik
06-09-2001, 02:11 PM
Very good!
My only (picky) comments are about the foreground objects
I think the circle of rocks stand out too much and pulls the viewer off canvas. To me, the rocks and benches are not as nicely rendered as the rest and stand out in a way that reduces the overall quality.


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dornberg
06-09-2001, 05:19 PM
well constructed curves and angles make this a greatcomposition