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roxanne_mc
05-07-2001, 06:52 PM
I am not very happy with this one at all.. I sketched with a cheap classroom color pencil and it's suppose to be me.. well I cannont seem to make the rock look like rock and I am having trouble with the arm looking like it's behind me.. anysuggestions?


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roxanne_mc
05-07-2001, 07:06 PM
This is the photo I am looking at..

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Giambologna
05-07-2001, 07:06 PM
can't say much for the rock because i can't see it too well, but as for the rest...
i think the torso might be slightly too short. most torsos are about two head lengths long, but perhaps its just distorted from the way you are sitting. as for the arm, i think the distance from the shoulder to the elbow is too short in porportion to the body and the rest of the arm. i think if you extend the elbow out more to the left and down some and bend the lower arm a little more you should get the desired effect. i think it's easier done than said...hope i explained that alright. sometimes i think faster than i can write http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
other than that i think your drawing is great. from looking at your tinyhead i think you have a very good likeness and i love the way you've drawn the folds in the clothing.
let us know how you end up with this one!
kate

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TeAnne
05-07-2001, 07:07 PM
Add some more darks to the arm Rox http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif God I love the hair http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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ZOTMA
05-07-2001, 07:08 PM
the length of your arm from shoulder to elbow is usually about the same as elbow to wrist (approx of course) but it's a good guage. What's going on is the shortened upper arm is looking strained back. The hand is supposed to be about the size of your face if outstretched (another guage) so if it's smaller, that too feels like it's distanced. Like your face though, don't know where the rock of question is....

roxanne_mc
05-07-2001, 07:10 PM
Thanks all .. I will keep working on it.. or.. I will start over.. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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tess2000
05-08-2001, 05:08 AM
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Hi! This is going to be cool!

I did a quick edit on your photo to show how your shadows make your postitions.

The other changed I made by lengthing the torso, widening the arm thats going back and also lifting the shoulder just a tad higher than the other one. I also adjusted your hood jacket to give an overall porportion to your drawing. Its difficult to see unless you have all the shading in but in the photo your jacket line seems to start at just below your ear line.

Also I rotated the postition of the "straight arm and puffed it up a bit as well. Hope this helps you to see your drawing better.

Oh... I did a bit of rocks in the back and put that face in there as well. Did you notice there appears to be a face in the rock? Well... looks like it to me..and thats cool!

Hope you don't mind the edit But I think this drawing is going to be really nice when you finish it.

Keep me posted ok?
Tess

roxanne_mc
05-08-2001, 08:10 AM
Thanks Tess... I am no good at these editing programs and it really does help you see better.. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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m_a_r_t_i_n
05-08-2001, 04:15 PM
Employ a technique used by the masters in there drawings, the further
things are away the lighter you draw them the closer they are the
darker you draw them (I think it's called ariel perspective), though
most of it should be kept pretty light just defining the important
elements like faces and hands etc.

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cleo
05-08-2001, 04:45 PM
Darken the forground parts, which should
pust back the hand.

cleo

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soulfly
05-08-2001, 05:37 PM
I think you should keep on going. I think it looks pretty proportioned except the head which is slightly more oval..but the rest looks good. keep going! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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roxanne_mc
05-08-2001, 09:16 PM
Thanks for the tips.. I never thought that the shadow would change things... I will try that also.. thanks for the help!

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JeanineJ
05-09-2001, 12:04 AM
You have been given great advice on a difficult pose... I would encourage you to pick up some China Ink (stick, well, and sable brush) or some other loose, watercolor medium to add darks without destroying the lightness you obviously strive for...

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roxanne_mc
05-09-2001, 12:59 AM
yes your so right I do strive for realism.. although I have difficulty getttig that.
Thanks for the suggestion.

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Danny
06-04-2001, 08:16 PM
Besides Shadows In Key Places I Think The Only Other Thing It Really Needs Is A Frame. Though I Agree The Tosro Is A Bit Short. And The Rock Needs Quite A Bit More Shadow Which Just May Bring Your Problum With The Arm More Into Prospective. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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roxanne_mc
06-04-2001, 11:03 PM
Thanks Danny I am going to completely rework this piece and work on my body parts.. I usually just work on faces and don't worry with the whole form it's very different.
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