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TeAnne
05-26-2001, 10:28 AM
I have worked on him for 3 days, (CP on black parer) and I'm not sure if I should put him on ebay and get burned again. I will be asking a lot for this one. Any sugestions please?
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JeanineJ
05-26-2001, 10:32 AM
"Lounging Tiger" title seems to fit... I would expect a bidding war over him!

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Dave Carter
05-26-2001, 10:35 AM
Remarkably different from previous work you have been posting. No, you should not sell this under any circumstances! This is worthy of your personal collection to be passed on to those you love.

TeAnne
05-26-2001, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by JeanineJ:
"Lounging Tiger" title seems to fit... I would expect a bidding war over him!



Love the title Jeanine, thank you http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Now I am still confused cos of what Dave said. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif


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TeAnne
05-26-2001, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Dave Carter:
Remarkably different from previous work you have been posting. No, you should not sell this under any circumstances! This is worthy of your personal collection to be passed on to those you love.
Ohhhhhhhhh now why did you go and say that? lololol I know my daughter would love it, but she is always on the move. Thanks for imput though http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/angel.gif



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animal
05-26-2001, 01:46 PM
I think you should sell this also. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/angel.gif

tess2000
05-26-2001, 03:55 PM
Dear Teanne,

This is very nice indeed. Exotic and Domestic Cats are a good sellers right now so here is a few suggestions you may want to consider since Ebay is an auction block process.

First I would do a search in "closed" or past auctions for similiar items and see what this sort of work is selling for. Also any searches in statues or sculptures of tigers may also reveal collectors of this type animal. If these prices are near what you need for this one then check the bidders on the auctions that did NOT win the item they bid on. You can email them and ask them if they would be interested in a preview of what you have coming up for bids on Ebay. You could use your link on WC for the preview page or your where ever your website is to get them to the images before the auction. Specify the auction will be listed within 24 hours so you can't be accused of trying to sell off Ebay. As long as you sell through Ebay there is no rules against this. You can follow up with sending an email of the actual listed item address link. Even Ebay has a "send this auction to a friend" process.

Three days work would easily constitute a minimum of 300.00 I would think. Your reserve should be set at 30% more than your actual asking price. Set the reserve at 400.00 or so and set the minimum bid at $190.00 or so (just examples of amounts). Let it run for two weeks for 7 days, all those really interested will email you inquiring about your reserve. Then on the third week if you have gotten more than three inquirys you can run the third week at your 300.00 reserve and minimum bid of 150.00. and so on until you can get to a bid that you could actually work with.

Also be sure to list the size of the piece,colors and mediums used. Other key words like exotic, safari, wild game, taxidermy, african, hunter, within the auction will pull in those big game taxidermy collectors. Something like this in a large 36" X 40" oils on canvas would fetch 250.00 to 300.00 easily at auction. In the real world I would expect 500.00 to 800.00 depending on the gallery etc. Since this is colored pencil? on paper? (not familiar the abreviations & just guessing). I would also make framing and or matting available to the bidder. I doubt they will probably not want it but the offer of it takes the bite out of that price for the bidder. Include that this is also extra and will be included in thier "handling fees" at close of auction.

My prices here are just examples as I have no idea what this type work actually sells for and am just guestimating on if it was oils on a stretched canvas. The thing is, you did the work, so you can value that best of all.

since you do cats so well.... Heres a suggestion for you also. I now have 4 more commisions for cats. These are not pure breed cats and are quite common. One is the orange tabby, and the other is the gray or blue color domestic cat. Also white and black cats. Many people have this type cat so these will sell well (100.00 to 150.00) on Ebay on a canvas size of 18 X 24 for oils. The eyes are usually green on all of these but the white and that is blue. For pure breed cats the persian is always good and also the siamese. I know the amount is not significant but if you can turn one out in a day I'd say thats not a bad return.

Hope this helps on your decision and best of luck to you. This is a very good rendition of the tiger you should do well. If not, I would say to definately keep it.

Tess

TeAnne
05-26-2001, 08:06 PM
Hi Tess, thank you for this great feedback I will consider all you said here http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
This is what has happened so far, as I am so new to it. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif
I am in Australia!
Well I submitted my drawings in the USA section (Aussie Ebay hasn't a drawing section) and on one I made the first bid @ $3.00 USA Dollars, (Approx $5.75 Aussie Dollar) Well, it sold @ $3 USD and so when I get this money off the person (BTW, I havn't heard from them yet) it is going to cost me $15.00 Aussie to have it converted. The same goes for the current auction @ $5.00 US (Approx $9.75 Aussie) So it looks like I am paying the people to buy my work. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif
I was trying to keep my cost down when submitting as it is double expense http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif

Thank you Roan http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Rosanna and Pen.
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colorme
05-26-2001, 08:10 PM
He looks good and very real, I think you should go ahead and sell him

TeAnne
05-26-2001, 08:13 PM
Thanks animal http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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TeAnne
05-26-2001, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by colorme:
He looks good and very real, I think you should go ahead and sell him
Thanks, I still trying to decide, going to do some research first.



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gayelyn
05-26-2001, 09:22 PM
You have had the pleasure of painting him ,now get the pleasure of selling him. I think it's great. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif New to the Ebay thing but those prices are ridiculous,maybe I read them wrong. Put top dollar on him .

gayelyn
05-26-2001, 09:23 PM
You have had the pleasure of painting him ,now get the pleasure of selling him. I think it's great. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif New to the Ebay thing but those prices are ridiculous,maybe I read them wrong. Put top dollar on him .

TeAnne
05-26-2001, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by gayelyn:
You have had the pleasure of painting him ,now get the pleasure of selling him. I think it's great. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif New to the Ebay thing but those prices are ridiculous,maybe I read them wrong. Put top dollar on him .

Thanks Gayelyn. I know what you are saying. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/angel.gif I appreciate all the feedback from you and everyone. HUGZ to everyone.


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cleo
05-26-2001, 11:00 PM
Great Job!

Yes!

Sell the H . . . out of him!

The only reason I keep anything is for my
kids. They will get nothing else.

Its not as cold blooded as it sounds. Thats
all I have for them. They got took and thats
a fact, but at least they have something.

probably 500 - 600 works.

Point is, sell anything that will sell! Or
keep it for more than "I just can't part
with it!".

cleo

leesmith
05-26-2001, 11:30 PM
TeAnne,

The tiger is gorgeous!!! Will you run into the conversion problem thingy if you sell this on ebay!!!! I don't understand all that stuff but I would not sell anything if you are going to actually lose $ doing this conversion thing. Tess had great suggestions. I have one if you put it on ebay... In the title be sure to include the words " big cat ", many ebayers enter the word cat in the search key. Good luck!!!

ArtyHelen
05-27-2001, 12:05 AM
TeAnne, I just had to drop by and say "he's beautiful"!!! Wonderful job! Could you really bear to part with him? If you could, I'm sure he'd go for a LOT!

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TeAnne
05-27-2001, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by ArtyHelen:
TeAnne, I just had to drop by and say "he's beautiful"!!! Wonderful job! Could you really bear to part with him? If you could, I'm sure he'd go for a LOT!

Helen

Hi Helen http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Thanks
Well I like it but I was taught at Uni not to look at ones art as 'Precious'!



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TeAnne
05-27-2001, 12:22 AM
Thanks Cleo and Lee http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
All input helps.
I just ran into major probs with PayPal. Now I am locked out of there. This credit card is disabled for entry into the PayPal website. You may enter another credit card instead. Or you may fax us a copy of the credit card statement for this account, with the confirmation number on it, and a copy of your driver's license or other photo I.D. Please send the fax to (402) 935-2237.
Looks like My selling isn't meant to be. *ugh* I tried to verify too soon I reckon.

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rsmak
05-27-2001, 12:37 AM
very nice.Icanfeel the eyes staring at me.looks like real!
rosanna

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cleo
05-27-2001, 12:38 AM
Hang in there!

Keep on top of this, find out what is going
on . . . etc . . .

you will see!

cleo

Roan
05-27-2001, 12:47 AM
People love big cats. Sell it, woman http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Pen
05-27-2001, 12:55 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TeAnne:
[B]I have worked on him for 3 days, (CP on black parer) and I'm not sure if I should put him on ebay and get burned again. I will be asking a lot for this one. Any sugestions please?

Magnificent! Gorgeous, accurate colors! Is it just me though, or is the nose (muzzle?) a tad too long and wide? Perhaps it's just the perspective... Anyway, great job! I'm sure you'll have no trouble selling it.

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fmarsh
05-27-2001, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by TeAnne:
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I just ran into major probs with PayPal. Now I am locked out of there. This credit card is disabled for entry into the PayPal website. You may enter another credit card instead. Or you may fax us a copy of the credit card statement for this account, with the confirmation number on it, and a copy of your driver's license or other photo I.D. Please send the fax to (402) 935-2237.
Looks like My selling isn't meant to be. *ugh* I tried to verify too soon I reckon.



Is your card a Commonwealth Bank one. If so, all are having problems with Paypal.

See (http://remarq.ebay.com.au/au/transcript.asp?g=discuss%2Eebayau%2Emember%2Eto%2Emember%2Ehelp&tn=781&sh=00304b929b599ae0&idx=-1)

I used a Westpac card and it set up OK. I have not put a transaction through it yet, I understand that there has been a few complaints with the exchange rate that is being used.


There is not many options in OZ at this stage. Don't discount Artistnation. I have put a few US credit card purchases through it. Scott sends a cheque after you confirm shipment, deducts 5% then the Australian Bank (Westpac) charges $7.50 to convert to A$.

The key point with Artistnation & bank charges is that it will cost you 12.5% for a US $ sale of A$100 eqivalent. The higher the price the lower the percentage eg $8.50 for A$200 equivalent. Comparitively, these fees are not bad for say A$125 and above. I also consider that selling to an Australian buyer, I have to pay 10% GST anyway(which you don't for an overseas buyer).

You need to load the painting at Artistnation, then after the auction send the purchaser the URL eg (http://www.art-agent.com/cgi-bin/gallery_browser.cgi?cmd=browse_detail&cust_id=5267&exhibit_id=4376&gallery_id=7913&community=paris) , and ask them to click on "purchase original". Its easy.


The key learning is don't sell your work cheaply, as you have found out there are lots of charges around. Also don't underestimate packing and shipping costs, run it like you would any business. The price that you initially list on EBay should be the minimum amount that you would feel happy receiving for the painting, after taking into account your costs.

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TeAnne
05-27-2001, 02:54 AM
Thanks Fred, omg what a mess huh...My twobobs worth is in there now too plus emailed paypal to goto HELL.
I tried ArtistNation too and wasnt happy with the rules, so I deleted it. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif Cant win in Australia can we. Thanks for the advice though http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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TeAnne
05-27-2001, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by cleo:
Hang in there!

Keep on top of this, find out what is going
on . . . etc . . .

you will see!

cleo
Thanks cleo, I am just about bald now. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr



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jerryW
05-27-2001, 06:56 AM
ebay in the title blew me off,
I have not wrapped my head around the reality of ebay yet.
I should have looked anyway, but I try to limit myself - this addicting behaviour (anything at wc sems addicting to me and my family wants me to take therapy too) needs limits.
but I'm glad to have dropped into this thread anyway to see your 3 day tiger. did I not once peg you as having an inner cat?
Now it has emerged as a great beast of power and beauty.
[Why are we compelled to sell these things?
good luck.]

TeAnne
05-27-2001, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by jerryW:
but I'm glad to have dropped into this thread anyway to see your 3 day tiger. did I not once peg you as having an inner cat?
Now it has emerged as a great beast of power and beauty.
[Why are we compelled to sell these things?
good luck.]

To pay bills, eat and have more tools to make art. Yesh? I remember you saying something about an inner cat. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif They used to call me pussycat @ University http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/evilgrin.gif


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CkA
05-27-2001, 09:21 AM
Firstly this is a gorgeous piece~!

Tess' advice is logical but it doesn't apply to the world of ebay.

Average selling price on ebay for works by unlisted artists is ~$35.

It takes a listed artist to sell for $150 - $350 and it has to be oil or acrylic on canvas.

OR some few artists have managed to build up a rep and sell for $100-$200 again oil or acrylic on canvas.

Ginette has managed to do this and sells very well at ebay but her prices are still low compared to the quality of her work and gallery prices. She would be a good person to ask how she built up her rep. I think it is because she does very high quality impressionist pieces - impresssionism does well on ebay.

ALSO you cannot get email addresses anymore from ebay unless you are in a transaction with someone. They have done this to avoid spam - which is what ebay would call Tess' suggestion of soliciting customers.

I would keep it or sell it at a better venue. Sell pieces on ebay that you can afford to give away to build up your rep and then go in with reserve auctions on your better pieces but don't expect to get $300 being unlisted and for a work on paper...

***My personal experience and research on ebay - anyone else feel differently please [email protected]!

David Acres
05-27-2001, 11:03 AM
Nice piece TeAnne! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Good luck with your decision! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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tess2000
05-27-2001, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by CkA:

Tess' advice is logical but it doesn't apply to the world of ebay.
To CKA:

I've been a successful seller on Ebay for 3 years and have yet to take a loss on one single item. I've also been in sales, advertising & marketing for 25 years and still remain to make a significant living from it.

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ALSO you cannot get email addresses anymore from ebay unless you are in a transaction with someone. They have done this to avoid spam - which is what ebay would call Tess' suggestion of soliciting customers.

Email addresses are available but for registered users only. That means you can get them if you are a bidder or seller. All you have to do is submit your Ebay user ID and the email address is there. Even Ebay allows ANY ONE to send auctions to friends. This is allowed providing the transaction takes place within the Ebay format. SPAM is soliciting goods or services NOT offered on Ebay.

With online sales, catalog, and mail distribution sales, presentation is everything. If your item is poorly represented it will not bring premium dollars. Good images (as many as possible), and abundance of information, and sellers policys mentioned within the auction will get the goods sold. Shipping amounts proir to close of the auction takes the quess work out of "totals" as well. I know because I've sold the exact same items as other sellers and gotten higher premiums simply because of the extra effort and ease of presentation and information within the advertisements.

The only thing I am not familiar with is foriegn currency exchange. However banks can answer this better than I. I do sell internationally but require that the bidder send an international money order only.

When shipping internationally there are also import taxes to deal with and thats another issue but can be utilized to an economical standard for the buyer providing the seller is willing to package according to the buyers wishes.

Your averages may be correct for the "average" auction. The goal is to provide an "above average" listing to get "above average" prices. Ebay is an auction format and the buyers are bidders. It only takes two bidders to get premium dollar for your work.

NO ONE should give away work to get work. Name a price and stick to it. Once these online browsers/bidders find out they will have to pay to get it they will either bid, or settle for nothing or perhaps less quality.

Bidders do watch auctions for weeks to see if they can get a better deal. There is also the "buy it now" feature. Many bidders use this to judge what the item actually may be worth. Its a good tool to set a sort of price guide and then offer the minimum bid at much less. Once one bid is recieved the rest is a matter of collecting and shipping.

I've sold much more OFF Ebay than On. And the buyers are from previous Ebay auctions. There is also NO rules against that. Once the auction is closed or ended with no bids; The item is then back in the store and up for grabs. Whatever transactions occur OFF Ebay is no ones concern but the seller and the buyer.

Tess

TeAnne
05-27-2001, 06:01 PM
Thanks CKA http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I see a lot of work @ those prices. Thanks for the advice. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Thanks Tess. I think I will leave the ebay thing until they come up with a better system for Aussies. We need the 'bidpoint' thingy.
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GC
05-27-2001, 06:27 PM
I just saw this post.
I wish I could give some really good advise to you TeAnne.
I don't know about the situation with EBAY seller from Australia.
I think it is most likely more difficult since you have to ship from far away, if you are selling to the US.
In the beginning I did "All International" and stopped after having too many problems with shipping charges being to high and over seas people are difficult to deal with sometimes.

I started about a year ago with selling. Mostly Oil Pencil on strathmore paper.
They went between $15 & $ 50.00 and pastels went sometimes up to $150.00
I never got e-mail addresses from other sellers because I personally think it is not a good idea to spam. In the very beginning I did a lot of buying on EBAY and I detested it when I got e-mail from other sellers that I never bid on.
I simply refused to do business with anybody who spams. It's like junk mail just electronically.
What I did do is keep taps on people that bought from me or bid on my art.
I have an extensive database and make a point of remembering everybody.
I send regular e-mail to them and allow them to remove themselves if they don't want to be contacted anymore. No body ever did. It takes a lot of work, but I do this full time anyway.
Having been in business & sales all my live, I follow the rule of "It is easier to keep a customer than to find a new one"
That is why I do anything possible to satisfy my clients.
If you are planning on doing business on EBAY make yourself very customer friendly oriented and really care.
Many people are hesitant to buy on the Internet, I have many repeat customers, because of two reasons.
They like my work and they "TRUST ME".

I hope all will work out for you !

Ginette

CkA
05-27-2001, 06:48 PM
Tess,

I should have said that your advice didn't apply to my personal experience on ebay - not that it didn't apply to ebay in general.

I still disagree about soliciting folks who have bid on similar items but not yours via email - to my understanding this would be spam.

TeAnne
05-27-2001, 07:00 PM
Thanks Ladies http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I wouldn't feel comfortable emailing total strangers. So I wouldn't do it. Thanks every body for trying to help me. HUGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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Beth Duri
05-28-2001, 03:24 AM
Hi TeAnne, I have to agree with CKA on this one. I too sell on ebay. And if your just starting you really need to build up a collectors base. I would sell small piece that dont take to long to do. Build up a base and then Start listing larger pieces.

Right now I have an ok collectors base Still growing. I had a lady just purchase 3 paintings from me. One at 75.00 one at 60.00 and a small one at 20.00

The average is usually 35.00

I never list lower than i'll be happy to get. BEcause half the time you only get one bidder.

The people who start there auctions at 1 buck or a penny are usually the people with a huge collectors base. They know they will get paid what the want for the piece they are listing.

I would say if your going to sell this on ebay , WAIT untill Sept. EBAY is SLLLLOOOOOWWW right now. I use to sell almost everything I put on, now its really slowed down. Everyone is complaining of sales dropping. Some people are taking a leave from ebay until SEpt.

I think this has to do with all the outdoor art fairs that happen around this time. Plus people are getting outside more and aren't in front of there computers. Who knows, but everyone says it picks back up around SEpt/ OcT.

REserves never ever work for me. For a reserve to work someone has to either bid higher then the reserve price or have someone bid against them to raise the bid.

I myself dont bid on reserve auctions, I dont like to guess. I like the tell it to me flat out approach.

Also I have alot of people who use my buy it now feature. I had a painting at 35.00 just sell at the buy it now for 60.00 U.S. which is 100.00 Canadian.

Also my paintings all take me less than one day, some less than an hour.

Best of luck ,

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TeAnne
05-29-2001, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Beth Duri:
Hi TeAnne, I have to agree with CKA on this one. I too sell on ebay. And if your just starting you really need to build up a collectors base. I would sell small piece that dont take to long to do. Build up a base and then Start listing larger pieces.

Right now I have an ok collectors base Still growing. I had a lady just purchase 3 paintings from me. One at 75.00 one at 60.00 and a small one at 20.00

The average is usually 35.00

I never list lower than i'll be happy to get. BEcause half the time you only get one bidder.

The people who start there auctions at 1 buck or a penny are usually the people with a huge collectors base. They know they will get paid what the want for the piece they are listing.

I would say if your going to sell this on ebay , WAIT untill Sept. EBAY is SLLLLOOOOOWWW right now. I use to sell almost everything I put on, now its really slowed down. Everyone is complaining of sales dropping. Some people are taking a leave from ebay until SEpt.

I think this has to do with all the outdoor art fairs that happen around this time. Plus people are getting outside more and aren't in front of there computers. Who knows, but everyone says it picks back up around SEpt/ OcT.

REserves never ever work for me. For a reserve to work someone has to either bid higher then the reserve price or have someone bid against them to raise the bid.

I myself dont bid on reserve auctions, I dont like to guess. I like the tell it to me flat out approach.

Also I have alot of people who use my buy it now feature. I had a painting at 35.00 just sell at the buy it now for 60.00 U.S. which is 100.00 Canadian.

Also my paintings all take me less than one day, some less than an hour.

Best of luck ,

Beth DUri www.artbybethduri.homestead.com (http://www.artbybethduri.homestead.com)
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Thanks Beth http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I have decided not to sell it on ebay. I have two up there now with no bids, so I am kinda in debt to ebay now. LOL
I suppose Xmas time would be good too, People looking for gifts.



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