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vance
05-23-2001, 10:40 AM
Hi all. This is my rendition of a pot of Zinnias. Initally, the background was darker and I felt that it was too similar in tone to the flowers for a good contrast so I lightened it

I initially started this piece with the definite idea of trying a different style (for me) I wanted to use looser, less detailed strokes and produce a painting whose visual impact was based primarily on color and a gestural depiction of the subject.

I welcome all comments and critiques!

Regards,

Vance
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jerryW
05-23-2001, 11:13 AM
no better pot of zinnias have I seen.
the simplicity and veracity of color and shadow and light are very pleasant.
how large is it?

dornberg
05-23-2001, 04:01 PM
seems right on with the background matter
as to gestural depiction, if you mean real flowery, i think the looser brush strokes accomplish that
certainly the first thing i notice is the nice arrangement of colors
the vase might echo some more of that looseness,
keeping whatever contrast you want

henrik
05-23-2001, 06:52 PM
The flowers are good, and I like the color of the wall. The thing that gets me is that the table is too colorful; it is almost as "loud" as the flowers. If you tone it down a bit I think the flowers pop...
Perhaps like this...
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JeanineJ
05-23-2001, 07:34 PM
Liking most with Henrik's doctoring...

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sandge
05-23-2001, 08:59 PM
Hi vance!
I really like this painting. The range of colours in it work really well together and the arrangement of flowers seems very natural.

I don't mind the table being so bright. To my eye it implies that the flowers are a little bit out of a direct source of light which gives a bit of a story to them. Yes, the table does draw the eye (and I think you need to give a bit more attention to the way you have painted it) but the flowers pull my eye back and this sets up a nice vibrancy between the two areas. I feel that if you dull the table, you would need to enhance the highlight on the flowers and risk losing some of the subtlety.

My suggested focus for improvement would be the shadows on the table. There is a strong highlight on the vase which suggests that the main light source is somewhere over my left shoulder, hitting the canvas at a 45 degree angle. However, the shadow cast by the vase runs parrallel to the picture plane as though the light source is somewhere beyond the left edge of the canvas. There is also a cast shadow on the left hand side of the vase. It seems odd to have such a definate shadow on the vase but nothing of it on the table. Also, I think you may just need to have another look at the shape of the bottom of the vase.

I hope I have managed to explain my thoughts about the shadows clearly.
best wishes
sandra

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Unni
05-24-2001, 06:18 AM
It's a beautiful piece of work.

Unni

Lizelle
05-24-2001, 07:41 AM
Nice work, Vance, I can see an improvement in every painting that you submit! I do agree with Sandra on the shadows though!
Lizelle
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vance
05-24-2001, 08:05 AM
Thanks to all of you for your comments. Sandra, I agree with you about the shadow/light interplay and I will revisit that issue. I also agree about the shape of the bottom of the vase - it has been bothering me, but because drawing is not one of my strong points, I think ive been unconsiously avoiding fixing it!! : )

Now let me see if I read you correctly: because there is such a pronounced shadow on the left side of the vase, there should be some cast shadow on the table to the left as well?

Henrik, I like your toned down color intensity on the table as well - Actually, the original table was even BRIGHTER yellow and I did tone it down some - maybe I need to see what a light glaze of a neutral would do after the painting dries?

Again, thanks to everybody

Regards,

Vance

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rsmak
05-24-2001, 09:29 AM
It is beautiful,I agree the table distract the flowers a bit, nice work!
rosanna

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sandge
05-24-2001, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by vance:
Now let me see if I read you correctly: because there is such a pronounced shadow on the left side of the vase, there should be some cast shadow on the table to the left as well?


Yes, I believe so.

The shadow is caused by something which is between the light source and the vase. It can't be the flower because it isn't the right shape or in the right place for that.

The shadow is strong - so whatever is casting it must be close. What could be between the vase and the light source, but not between the table and the light source? It strikes me there are 3 possibilities:
the shadow is not correct (too strong/the wrong shape).
there should be some shadow falling on the table, too.
there is a long, thin mystery object suspended from the ceiling to the left of the viewer. It is quite close to the vase and ends about vase height.


Do you know what is making that shadow? What was your source material for this painting - a real vase of zinnias or a reference image?

best wishes
sandra


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vance
05-24-2001, 06:55 PM
Hi Sandra,

I didnt paint this image from life, but rather, from a photograph which was somewhat murky actually.

I think I will play around with adding some shadow on the table to the left of the vase and see what happens.

By the way, thanks for your thoughtful reply - I appreciated your comments and the thought you put into your analysis.

Best Regards,

Vance

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"Now I shall put my cluttered house in order..and seek a half remembered path again- to race the slant of shadows and redeem the pattern of a torn and scattered dream" - my grandmother, Margaret Goodwyn

sandge
05-24-2001, 08:19 PM
You're welcome. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Please post an update and let us know how it turns out.

By the way, I love your quote.

best wishes
s

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David Acres
05-25-2001, 12:16 AM
Hi Vance! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif You are improving every time too! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif I don't mind the bright table either and also agree with SF on the shadow situation! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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