View Full Version : WIP~~blood orange

05-01-2003, 02:32 PM
12 x 16 on Kilamanjaro 300 lb paper

NOT DONE......please don't tell me the back orange is too light:rolleyes:

Suggestions and critique welcomed


My concerns:
shadow on right orange



05-01-2003, 02:36 PM
Looking very yummy! Great job.

05-01-2003, 02:37 PM
looking good, very shiny


05-01-2003, 02:40 PM

The only problem I see with the shadow of the right orange is that it seems to make the orange look "concave" (or is that "convex"? I can never remember...) as opposed to rounded. I think the shadow just isn't following the shape of the orange.

The plate looks very well rendered to me; can't see anything wrong with it.

I love the composition and the colors are very vibrant! I can't wait to see it finished! Great use of complimentaries, too.


05-01-2003, 02:45 PM
Pam - this is vibrant! My only nit is the shape of the shadow on the orange - that jaggy bit bothers me - and the white spot.

Other than that, everything reads as it should (in my opinion). I really love the blue/orange/red combo! Juicy!


05-01-2003, 03:09 PM
The dish ........... parfait !

05-01-2003, 03:10 PM
Yum, I love blood oranges! Front orange is lovely, very juicy looking. The shadows don't seem quite right, might be better when the cast ones are darker.

05-01-2003, 03:11 PM
Pam this will be great! Love the front half orange, and the plate.

Think the problem with the right orange might be the colour of the shadow - it seems too dark to me, and has completely obliterated the orange colour.

Might the plate be reflective to let you add a touch of the orange to it?


lyn lynch
05-01-2003, 04:01 PM
Pamps, wonderful composition and palette.
Front slice fabulous.
Re the right orange. I am expecting to see the balance of the orange from which the slices have been cut, but obviously it is not because it is too small and also the small end is there. I think you are missing the midtone approaching the light top of the orange.
Wonderful plate shadows.

05-01-2003, 04:05 PM
The right orange looks a little flat to me in colour, maybe a light yellow wash would hlp round it up a little and aid with the middle tones!
Great plate!

05-01-2003, 04:06 PM
grrr..that shadow will kill me


ok...ref pic:


thanks, Bethany and Carolyn

Lynn and Erin...yup....but how to fix?

merci, Berte

Sarah and Ruth..plate does have some orange...doesn't show on the photo very much :rolleyes:

fooks...the mid-tone on the whole orange?

05-01-2003, 04:13 PM
OK Pam.

You need to soften the shadow towards the top of the right orange, and make it more of a red shade.

You can leave the white highlight as it is, but you need to add a highlight to the reflection directly underneath it.

Think you'll be happier then :)


05-01-2003, 04:17 PM
Oh!.....I'll shut up then shall I Pampe!?
LOL! :p

05-01-2003, 04:25 PM
I agree with mum. Also, if you add a bit of the red to the edge of the shadow beneath the cut orange in the foreground. When you add some more layers to this I think it'll come together nicely.


Crystal Owl
05-01-2003, 05:07 PM
What about adding some texture to the skin? Making it look dimply...Agree also about adding some reds in there.


05-01-2003, 05:20 PM
Very hard Pam, when you have double light source as in ref pic...tends to confuse the viewer......... Think I might just soften the shadow edges.....and accentuate the contour in them just a bit........

05-01-2003, 05:35 PM
The right orange has it all...Highlights on the top, shadows thru the middle, but then there is that wonderful glow of the front orange being reflected back on the right orange. That is not easy to capture...This is a great still life...Are you using two floods?
The shadow on the right orange has a smooth transition from the hi-lites to the shadows to the glow that is hard to capture since the rest of the painting tends to require a good contrast.
The front orange against the left rear orange is a nice play on light against dark, with the rim sitting in front, but I think if you can capture that nice glow of the right orange and still keep a semblance of detail in the rear orange (dark but with detail that isn't evident in the photo), you've got it made!
Living in Canada we pay a fortune for 300# paper.
I really like D'Arches 300# Rough, but when I need good detail, I use Kil, which I bought at Crazy Joe's on his guarantee..like it a lot..sits nice and flat after a heavy sky watch...
There seems to be a funny white thing about 5 o'clock on the right guy...do you think it matters....Leave ti out don't you think?
Gin time!
Take care,

05-01-2003, 05:42 PM

05-01-2003, 05:45 PM
I loved the former blue color of the plate.
Still, it is a lovely painting.

05-01-2003, 05:46 PM
I don't care if anything is wrong, I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!

05-01-2003, 05:50 PM
That's almost it! Add the reflection of the highlight from the right orange on the plate and you're done! :D


05-01-2003, 05:52 PM
Hi Pam--regarding 'progress report' I hope you are nearing completion or finished cause it's just terrific. Such beautifully warm rich colors!

05-01-2003, 06:06 PM
Nina, the first plate color is the truer...thanks

al..tell me about it...but it made it so interesting

seedy...no floods...just sun

thanks, kathleen, Ruth and Usch...think I am done or I'll fiddle it to death


05-01-2003, 08:13 PM
Came out nice........

05-01-2003, 08:19 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how you pull out of a crash and burn to win the race!!! Luscious oranges, Pam!

Little Old Lady
05-01-2003, 08:21 PM
Looks good to me.

05-01-2003, 08:27 PM

05-01-2003, 08:39 PM
Pam, I really like this, but IMO a little dimpling on the skin of the right rear orange would just finish it off nicely.


05-01-2003, 09:29 PM
ok. lyn

how you propose we do those dimples?

05-01-2003, 09:40 PM
ooh, the Pamps is definitely back!! this is awesome. like the glistening central half best!


Crystal Owl
05-01-2003, 09:44 PM
Looks great Pam you could leave it as is or dimple away LOL . Tiny dots of burnt siena?


lyn lynch
05-01-2003, 09:52 PM
Snort, another Pampe set-up. Knew all along it was going to turn up 100%.
I meant the midtone on the orange itself, appearing from within top part of the shadow in and around the orange , as it appears in the final. I guess I don't talk so good. But I mean well.

The halves are reading as slices though because they are lacking the color shift on the top of the back orange and front of the front orange to indicate the roundness. I see this on the original and that's how I know it is a halved, rather than 2 slices.

05-01-2003, 09:56 PM
Pam, pointillism, maybe? Purple???? I'm sorry, I don't really know how to do it--I just know that I'd like to see you do that, and I figured you would know how. (Creeping away chastened. )


05-02-2003, 02:37 AM
YUM! Great contrasts and values. I don't miss the dimples really, but if the paper has a bit of tooth you might be able to lift a little colour from the top to create the texture, not something I'd risk. :)


05-02-2003, 02:54 AM
Nice composition and the orange in front is fantastic--all this glistening!

Some texture on the orange on the right might be nice--just a scratched highlight and very few white gouache dots to add more shine?


05-02-2003, 05:58 AM
Hi Pam,

Terrific composition and brilliant colors. Your finale really looks good. (Dimples would be nice, but it looks ok as is too.)

Love blood oranges. Love your dish. Love your painting. :p

05-02-2003, 11:23 AM
thank you, all

it IS 300 lb paper...so I guess I COULD scrape a few dimples.....

ok....I will

05-02-2003, 11:44 AM
Bouncing back after creeping away chastened!

I knew you could, I knew you should, I knew you would!!


Patrick Marion
05-02-2003, 01:49 PM
There seem to be 2 round swatches of light bounce
in the lower left of the dark shadow.

The swatch on the left seems to be quite strong
and orangy while the right seems duller in the
reference pic.

You have them, but maybe if you brighten the
one on the left a little...?

The colors in this painting are exquisite. Deep,rich,
lush and intense.

It really looks wonderful.

05-02-2003, 04:30 PM
yes, Patrick, there is a double light source...thanks for the compliments


05-02-2003, 05:23 PM
Please please pretty please What's the white thing on the right orange?...white sticker...chiquita?...sunkist?
Take care,

05-02-2003, 09:17 PM
seedy...it is art

if I have to explain it..well

you know

05-02-2003, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by lynn_cyr
The only problem I see with the shadow of the right orange is that it seems to make the orange look "concave" (or is that "convex"? I can never remember...) as opposed to rounded. I think the shadow just isn't following the shape of the orange.


I see from the reference photo that the right orange's shadow is really from itself and, with the rounding of the shadow at the top, I keep seeing the shadow as coming from another orange.

I REALLY love the color glow in the cut orange.


05-02-2003, 11:35 PM
thank you, Bill:)

05-03-2003, 01:48 AM
Wow Pam this is lovely.. Those strong colors are terrific.

Great work.

Chooky :D:D:D

05-03-2003, 08:22 AM
Hi, Pam. This came out lovely. I see no doubt that there are two light sources, there is no doubt as to the subject matter, I think it's stunning. Pass an orange, please, suddenly I'm hungry.



05-03-2003, 02:18 PM
thanks , Erin and chooks:D