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djstar
05-14-2001, 04:56 AM
Following along in my cowboy and Indian themes, here is the last picture of my buddy Joseph.

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Full of guts and bravado, I tried to actually use BLACK. I guess I read too much about the Impressionists and thought I would go to Hell if I used it.
Although at the time, I was ready to burn this, I think I paniced and used some pretty creative blue in there to pull it off.
(The first picture is flashed out so here is a smaller scan of the middle of it)
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I have no idea how to use black without killing the whold piece...any tips?
dj*

CkA
05-14-2001, 08:30 AM
It's gorgeous DJ. The skin tones are so exciting and you've really brought out the strength and sensitivity of the model. I like the way you have used the black; it makes the skin tones shine out and the blue shirt is delicious.

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JeanineJ
05-14-2001, 10:08 AM
The Impressionists would surely be proud of you! My teacher is a Master American Impressionist (George Passantino) and he says, "Never say 'never.' If you need black, use black."... This is a very handsome portrait.

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bbbilly1326
05-14-2001, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by djstar:
I have no idea how to use black without killing the whold piece...any tips?
dj*[/B]

Unclear what you mean by "black." Like white, it can be almost any color or combination. One of my favorite blacks is the combination of ultramarine blue, alizarin crimson, sap green and (if needed) burnt umber --all transparent oils. If you want to use black paint, just add other colors, and you'll get luminosity --otherwise, it can be very deadening.

This is beautiful BTW http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Bill

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ZOTMA
05-14-2001, 01:08 PM
You captured his face so nicely with those strokes. Mmmmmm. The first shot shows the strokes and the detail shows the color treatment better, thanks for including that. I agree your use of black here seems fine. I get an emotional response of intrigue about the subject. Dark, mysterious....cool.

dornberg
05-14-2001, 01:22 PM
good balance of colors
colors not localized

faymcivor
05-14-2001, 03:18 PM
So real looking and I like your choice colors as well http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Fay

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cleo
05-14-2001, 03:42 PM
The first scan shows me where you used the
black. the second indicates how well you've
used it.

I use black (pure) less and less. When I do
use it, I put some other color with it, but
mostly I create my own black.

The old masters used "black" (dark - what
ever) to show light. This still is great
for light, mystery and drama. All valid
reasons!

Your eye seems to read the story of the
subject . . . which is what is Art!

cleo

djstar
05-14-2001, 06:03 PM
I have done rather well using burnt umber and ultramarine or alizarine crimson or all of the above for a while.
I had a little tube of ivory black, I think which adds one whole value depth to the thing. BUT I never used it as black.
Believe it or not, I am sort of losing control of color the more I understand of it.
I have been doing such fun stuff in pastel lately that when I try the same thing it turns out mud.
Or I stop remembering that when I mix three colors on a palet for my skin tones and add blue or violet I am REALLY adding violet, not just painting in one color.
This piece just looked PINK and black to me until I started filling in the shadows with the blue from my brush on the shirt.
I loaded the hair with umber and some blue and tried to let the black stay black in the back.
I sure is black.
So it is not a failure... Oh, I also flecked orange in there...it helped make the blue a bit more radiant so it was not such a mass of pink blue and black.
The more I know the less I understand.
dj*

jerryW
05-15-2001, 12:08 AM
i see no problem really.

David Acres
05-15-2001, 08:56 AM
Really captured him well! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Fantastic DJ! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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tess2000
05-17-2001, 12:51 AM
Well DJ,

I like it. I use black. Don't have a problem with using black. I did write down that recipe for making a black and want to try it on a portrait. Heck...I'll try anything once.

And I might add... THIS GUY IS OFF THE HOOK!
I mean... he's an attractive young fellow. I do have to say that after being married to an Indian dude for 15 years and staring at him for all that time... Native American skin color is differant for sure. Its not pink, not yellow, not brown, not olive or black, in fact I think its in a class all its own. Is a rusty tan a skin color? Thats about all I can think of.

American Indians are a very cool people for sure. Yep, I like this one. I'd hang it on my wall for sure.

Tess

animal
05-17-2001, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by David Acres:
Really captured him well! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Fantastic DJ! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif



I agree, you`ve catured him well. I really like the colours you have used. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif