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echidna
04-21-2003, 11:19 PM
I need another project like i need another hole in my head, yet here i am... sometimes an idea just takes over and won't leave you alone till it's on paper. so, after spending far to many hours watching Robin Hood: men in tights and A Knight's Tale , i feel inspired to do a medieval jousting pic. here, i have the first horse. once i'm happy with him, he will get armor and a knight. ditto for the other horse. thehorses are going to be of draft type, to be able to carry about 300 lbs of armor, etc. the final will be cp or possibly acrylic on very large paper (this horse alone is about 9x12) any advice (or armor referance pics!) would be greatly appreciated!
~Echidna
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Apr-2003/20929-joust1test1.jpg
(contrast was altered in photoshop)

echidna
04-21-2003, 11:34 PM
gah! as soon as it showed up on my screen i started gettin twitchy...here's the first of what i'm sure will be many revisions.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Apr-2003/20929-joust1test2.jpg

Crias
04-21-2003, 11:39 PM
Sounds like a neat idea. It'll be fun to watch this one develop. I wish I could draw from my head!

My only comment so far is that this does not read as a draft horse to me. His/her neck is too thin and bone structure too light. If you need some draft reference PM me and I can send you a few (granted not in this position!)

She-She
04-21-2003, 11:42 PM
I loved both those movies. I think you have a great idea here. I don't see many pieces of art of jousting. I will stick to this thread to see how this turns out. I know it will be wonderful & interesting!

Wingnut
04-22-2003, 12:01 AM
Ooh! ooh! a free plug for my former employer! :D www.medievaltimes.com (http://www.medievaltimes.com) I wouldn't steal their photos (I'm pretty sure they still have the galleries up) and they ride normal size horses, but maybe you can check them out for ideas ;) also maybe do a Google (http://www.google.com) search for renfaires and armour... lots to see!

I love jousting! :D

echidna
04-22-2003, 12:33 AM
here's horsie #2. they don't necessarily have to be draft horses, just of heavier type to be able to move quickly with weight on their backs. i shall work on beefing them up tomorrow...:p
~Echidna
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Apr-2003/20929-joust2test1.jpg

echidna
04-22-2003, 01:26 AM
*tweak*
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Apr-2003/20929-joust1test2.jpg
*double tweak*
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Apr-2003/20929-joust2test1.jpg

Suzy78
04-22-2003, 06:54 AM
My first impression is that the front legs are a tiche too long. Heavier type horses (regardless of whether they are full draft), generally have heavier shoulders, slightly shorter and thicker looking legs in relation to their bodies, a shorter back, more rounded croup, and larger hooves than regular riding horses. IMHO, I would shorten up the front legs a little (forearm a bit heavier, knee slightly larger, cannon shorter and slightly thicker than it is now, with larger hooves), make the crest of the neck more prominent, and possibly consider making the head a bit longer and wider to balance the rest of the bigger horse. As for the rear, I think you're getting there with your adjustments, but remember that draft bellies don't tuck up as much as other horses, either, even if they are in tip top shape.

But, those suggestions are just my opinion. It's easier for me to judge them on the hoof than on paper! :)

Suzy

echidna
04-22-2003, 08:13 PM
i'm gonna fail my chemistry midterm, and i blame this:evil:
well, here;s an update- more minor changes. thickened, shortened, fattened- yes, it's the stumpy version! thanks suzy for the advice. does everything look pretty good? also, is there any way to delete previous pics so this doesn't kill people with slow connections? thanks all! (oh and they are about the same size in RL!)
~Echidna
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Apr-2003/20929-joust2tiny1.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Apr-2003/20929-joust1tiny1.jpg

white-anubis
04-22-2003, 08:53 PM
ooh, what a great idea! Looking good!

stalksthedawn
04-22-2003, 09:22 PM
looking good so far!
I LOVED A Knight's Tale...they can come joust in my backyard anytime ;):evil: :angel:

echidna
04-23-2003, 03:59 PM
proposed positioning- done digitally because i don't have paper this big!
~Echidna
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Apr-2003/20929-joust_combined.psd.jpg

Paul Hopkinson
04-23-2003, 05:25 PM
Just a thought, if you have got any of these films on DVD and you also have DVD on your computer could you capture some still shots of the horse's in armour?

Paul

echidna
04-23-2003, 05:46 PM
Paul, when i read your post, i quite literally slapped myself upside the head! you see, i've now spent at least two hours doing research for the peice, because i want it to be fairly accurate. i'll use the dvds this weekend when i have access to them...here's the armor so far on one horse. he's about ready for the knight to be positioned on him. c&c still welcome!
~Echidna
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Apr-2003/20929-joust2armor1.jpg

Paul Hopkinson
04-23-2003, 06:38 PM
Hey why not get some shots from the DVD's in mid joust? You could capture the one where the joust breaks and splinters into the air! Talk about an action painting!:)

Paul

Suzy78
04-24-2003, 08:35 AM
Looks like it's really coming along. :) I like your touch-ups, and the armor is looking great!

Suzy

els
04-24-2003, 09:51 AM
Looking very good, can't wait to see the final piece...

pencils4me
04-24-2003, 10:35 AM
this will be fun to see!

how exciting..... who needs chemisty anyway?:evil:

TJ

jpope
04-24-2003, 11:35 AM
Hey there! Great progress. I just went to Medieval Times in Myrtle Beach, SC last weekend and took many pictures of the knights and horses jousting and such. Let me know if you'd like some e-mailed.

Redsy333
04-24-2003, 11:47 AM
This is looking absolutely amazing!!! thumbs up indeed!
when you finish this you must cross post the final in the sci-fi/fantasy forum!! We love this stuff!!!

echidna
04-24-2003, 06:19 PM
good knight, everyone! *ducks*
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Apr-2003/20929-joustknighttiny.psd.jpg

paintedhorses
04-24-2003, 08:11 PM
Ii've enjoyed watching this evolve:D Looking very, very good!

Jeri

MKathleen
04-24-2003, 09:15 PM
Hi echidna: Wow I too have really enjoyed watching your drawings evolve. With each drawing your thoughts are coming together--I have no suggestions just enjoying the ride!
Best,
Kathy:)

kitaye
04-24-2003, 10:08 PM
Echidna, this is looking like it will be very good when it is done. One question, you do know that lances were much longer than you have shown? Lances are probably 10 feet long.

Margaret Dent
04-24-2003, 11:18 PM
Echidna,

what a wonderful project! I'm looking forward to seeing it evolve. Please do stay with it and keep updating us. Btw, will you add some feathering on the lower legs of the horses? Please.... It will give them quite a flair and many of the heavier jousting horses did sport them.

Margaret.

echidna
04-25-2003, 01:11 AM
margaret- they do have feathering- it just didnt show very well in the scan!
Kitaye- i had to shorten the lance on this draft cuz i ran out of paper! it'll be better in the final version!
everyone else- thanks for the comments! they really help keep me motivated. this is the largest project i've ever worked on, and all of the details have been frustrating (you think drawing harnesses is bad? try armor:D ) but the positive feedback helps keep me going!
i'm currently putting armor on the second horse...will have an update soon (maybe tomorrow!)
~Echidna
ps-did anyone notice the little lion design? look familiar?!? nothing is ever wasted around here!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2003/20929-tinylion.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2003/20929-cougartiny.gif

echidna
04-25-2003, 01:21 PM
other horsie with armor. the first knight will be erased and reworked because he is far to large for the horse. ugh...hyoomans:mad: .
~Echidna
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Apr-2003/20929-joust1armor1tiny.jpg

shedreamsbig
04-27-2003, 12:56 AM
Oh my this is really cool!

Great work!! I am excited to see more!

Chrisitna

echidna
04-28-2003, 04:58 PM
*sigh* i suppose it's about time for an update on this one...i've lost about 96% of my enthusiasm for this. hopefully i'll feel better about it when i finally get to start coloring it... got my paper- 19x25 canson mi tientes in oyster. i reworked the first knight to better fit the horse. haven't started the second knight yet. maybe tomorrow. does this one look better now? thanx,
~Echidna
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Apr-2003/20929-joust2knight_resizedsmall.jpg

Crystal Owl
04-28-2003, 05:51 PM
I love those kind of movies, looking forward to watching you do this.

IRene

deefilly
04-28-2003, 06:02 PM
:clap: So much fun to watch this piece develope! Perhaps the knight's leg should be longer and his thigh thinned and the foot made larger...?

Jazz
04-28-2003, 06:17 PM
Hiya!! echidna:) ,

I am new to this forum and I was totally blown away, not only by the first drawings I have seen of this art piece of yours but also by the challenging aspect of the piece as a whole!!!:eek:

I am very impressed with your idea and can't wait to see further progress shots. I think the horses and one rider are excellent, how do you manage to draw them in only line?? I can't help myself I always end up shading as I go:o , I love your style of drawing.

Please!!!!!!! find the enthuisiasm to continue, it is looking fantastic so far and it would be such a shame to not see the final piece, I know its going to be excellent:) . But I do know how you feel, I have been feeling the exact same way about an artwork I am working on right now! Maybe try leaving it and doing a quicker piece just to take your mind of this one for now and then go back to it. I found doing that helped me gain some more enthuisiasm for my piece, it might work for you!


I am very much looking forward to seeing this progress!


Hugs,


JAZZ:cool:

echidna
04-29-2003, 05:59 PM
hmmm... i think this one is pretty much done (as far as sketching goes) unless someone sees anything else.
deefilly- i took your advice, thanks!
Jazz- thank you so much for your kind words and support! that really made me feel better. i guess i was just in a bad mood due to lack of sleep, lack of caffeine, and midterms. bad combination:rolleyes: . i don't shade when i sketch because it's more work and i'm lazy. i'd rather just put it off until i'm doing the final version!
~Echidna
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Apr-2003/20929-joust2knight_resizedsmall.jpg

echidna
04-30-2003, 06:02 PM
aaaannnd...here's the other knight! if anyone has any suggestions, please let me know! if everything looks okay, i'll transfer these guys onto the big paper, and start coloring!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Apr-2003/20929-joust1knight1.jpg
also, a question for you composition experts- where on the paper should i line these up? should i leave a fair amount of grass on the bottom of the paper? i plan on blocking in a crowd behind the jousters, so i'll need a bit of paper on the top too. all advice welcome! (oh, and the paper is 25x19", and each horse is 10" long and about 8" high-including the rider)
~Echidna

echidna
05-07-2003, 05:46 PM
...this drawing, i mean. i'm pretty sure i've been alive all this time:rolleyes: ! anyways, i started to color this (prisma pencils for anyone as forgetful as i am!). i know, i know, i'm supposed to start with the background...but i knew that to get enthusiastic about this again, i had to start with the main subject. i'll probably start on the bg next, and finish the horses last. soo...questions: should i make this horse a chestnut or a sorrel(cream mane & legs)? and should the ground be grass or dirt? i've seen both in my ref. pics). any suggestions welcome!
~Echidna
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-May-2003/20929-knight2color1.jpg

Jazz
05-07-2003, 05:58 PM
WOW!! Echidna:eek: :) ,

This is looking fantastic!!! I am sooo.. glad you have resuscitated it, LOL as it is well worth the effort. I think you should go for grass as at least one of your horses is going to be chestnut in colour right? So they would stand out better against green and it would create a nice contrast in colours. Whereas if you went for dirt therefore more of a brown colour, the horses would not stand out so well and the contrast would not work so well, but that is just my two pence worth take it or leave it:) .

I think this is going beautifully I cannot wait to see your next update. Well done! for sticking with it, I am like you and I get frustrated with a project or just plain bored and find it almost impossible to retain my interest in it. So you have done incredibly well to overcome your feelings for it, keep it up!! it is looking awesome!!


Hugs,



JAZZ:cool: (ALI)

shedreamsbig
05-07-2003, 07:01 PM
WOW, this is comming along very nicely!!

Please don't give up on this one!! I really love it! for the BG I would say Grass too! But you could always do a little dirt where they are running like a worn path??? You see what I mean?

and I think It would be cool if the chestnut had creme legs and mane!! It would make him pop more!! Really great so far!! Can't wait to see more!!

Christina:clap: :clap: :clap:

She-She
05-08-2003, 09:27 AM
Oh, now the fun begins!! :clap: Looking good!!!
I like the grass idea too with a little dirt path.

cpart
05-09-2003, 04:37 AM
Hi Echidna

Looking good!! Are using proper 'coats of arms' or having some fun by making your own up?

Love it so far, can't wait to see how it turns out.

Stu

echidna
05-09-2003, 05:39 PM
not much of an update, but an update none the less! decided on grass with a dirt path- great idea! and a sorrel horse.

how to frighten your roommate #1036: spend time staring intensely at the wood grain on your desk:p (aren't you glad you don't live with me??lol)
~E.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-May-2003/20929-joust2color2.jpg

Suzy78
05-09-2003, 06:04 PM
Looking good so far! I definitely agree with your choice of grass with a worn path. Are you going to make your other horse a similar color or dapple grey?

echidna
05-09-2003, 06:26 PM
thanks, jazz, christina, and she-she! cpart- i originally had a lion emblem on the fabric of this horse, but got rid of it cuz i didn't want to draw that tiny!as for other coat-of-arms, there isn't really htat much room because i opted for a style of jousting that didn't use shields. hte shield would have left me more room for emblems, but would have been hard to position. suzy- i was planning on making the other horse a red-bay, with blue and red tack. but i am still open to suggestions;)
~Echidna

shedreamsbig
05-09-2003, 06:58 PM
Great! Looks really nice. I can't wait to see more!!

Your room mate is lucky!! She/He gets to see your art first hand!!

Chrisitna:D

Laura Morena
05-10-2003, 12:31 AM
What a fun project.
Keep up the good work...it will be great when you're done!

echidna
05-13-2003, 07:35 PM
just realized i had an update scanned in but not posted yet! i've discovered that metal is a difficult thing to draw...any advice is very much appreciated!
~E.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-May-2003/20929-joust2color3.jpg

cpart
05-14-2003, 09:18 AM
Hi Echidna

Looking good! :clap:

With the metal (and I could be wrong), how about if you might the highlights less blended so there is a more obvious line between the shadows and highlights and maybe make the hights lights brighter. Did any of that make any sense?

Only a thought.

Cheers

Stu