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ClassicTVMan1981X
02-23-2012, 05:03 PM
Hi,

As my first post here at this forum, I wish that I could remember what the old Prismacolor and Verithin color charts were from the Eagle and Berol days (1986 and back, before Empire Pencil bought out Berol and was renamed Empire Berol)??? I am, of course, from the U.S. so some of these color names are not used anymore in this country (as opposed to the U.K. where these classic names are still used more or less).

The classic Verithin colors list (current color names, if applicable, are in parentheses):
734 - White
734-1/2 - Light Grey (Warm Grey 20%)
735 - Canary Yellow
735-1/2 - Lemon Yellow
736 - Yellow Ochre (Spanish Orange)
736-1/2 - Orange Ochre (Pumpkin Orange)
737 - Orange
737-1/2 - Sea Green (Aquamarine)
738 - Grass Green
738-1/2 - Light Green (Apple Green)
739 - Green (Peacock Green)
739-1/2 - Olive Green
740 - Ultramarine
740-1/2 - Sky Blue (Peacock Blue)
741 - Indigo Blue
741-1/2 - Azure Blue (Light Cerulean Blue)
742 - Violet
742-1/2 - Lavender (Parma Violet)
743 - Pink (Pink Rose)
743-1/2 - Rose (Process Red)
744 - Scarlet Red (Poppy Red)
745 - Crimson Red
745-1/2 - Terra Cotta
746 - Sienna Brown (Dark Brown)
746-1/2 - Tuscan Red
747 - Black
747-1/2 - Dark Grey (Cool Grey 70%)
748 - Red/Blue (double-ended)
750 - Vermilion (Pale Vermilion)
751 - True Green
752 - Purple (Dahlia Purple)
753 - Silver (Silver Metallic)
754 - Gold (Gold Metallic)
755 - Golden Brown (Goldenrod)
756 - Dark Brown (Dark Umber)
757 - Peach
758 - True Blue
759 - Magenta
760 - Violet Blue
761-1/2 - Non-Photo Blue

The classic Prismacolor pencils list (again, current color names, where applicable, are listed in parentheses):
901 - Indigo Blue
902 - Ultramarine
903 - True Blue
904 - Light Blue (Light Cerulean Blue)
905 - Aquamarine
906 - Copenhagen Blue
907 - Peacock Green
908 - Dark Green
909 - Grass Green
910 - True Green
911 - Olive Green
912 - Apple Green
913 - Green Bice (Spring Green)
914 - Cream
915 - Lemon Yellow
916 - Canary Yellow
917 - Yellow Orange (Sunburst Yellow)
918 - Orange
919 - Non-Photo Blue
920 - Light Green
921 - Vermilion (Pale Vermilion)
922 - Scarlet Red (Poppy Red)
923 - Scarlet Lake
924 - Crimson Red
925 - Crimson Lake
926 - Carmine Red
927 - Light Peach
928 - Blush Pink
929 - Pink
930 - Magenta
931 - Purple (Dark Purple)
932 - Violet
933 - Violet Blue
934 - Lavender
935 - Black
936 - Slate Grey
937 - Tuscan Red
938 - White
939 - Peach
940 - Sand
941 - Light Umber
942 - Yellow Ochre
943 - Burnt Ochre
944 - Terra Cotta
945 - Sienna Brown
946 - Dark Brown
947 - Dark Umber
948 - Sepia
949 - Silver (Silver Metallic)
950 - Gold (Gold Metallic)
951 - Copper (Copper Metallic)
956 - Light Violet (Lilac)
961 - Warm Grey Dark (replaced by PC1056 Warm Grey 70%)
962 - Warm Grey Medium (replaced by PC1054 Warm Grey 50%)
963 - Warm Grey Light (replaced by PC1052 Warm Grey 30%)
964 - Warm Grey Very Light (replaced by PC1050 Warm Grey 10%)
965 - Cold Grey Dark (replaced by PC1065 Cool Grey 70%)
966 - Cold Grey Medium (replaced by PC1063 Cool Grey 50%)
967 - Cold Grey Light (replaced by PC1061 Cool Grey 30%)
968 - Cold Grey Very Light (replaced by PC1059 Cool Grey 10%)

Down to the nitty-gritty of this: what would the color lists be for the 12 and 24-count (pre-Empire Berol) Verithin sets, as well as the 24, 36 and 48-count (pre-Empire Berol) Prismacolor sets?

Meaning, for all those of you here on this board who have a ca. 1985-vintage set of the 12 and 24-count Verithin, and the 24, 36 and 48-count (ca. 1985) Prismacolor sets, please feel free to reply.

Thank you,



Benjamin "Ben" Edge (ClassicTVMan1981X)

TessDB
02-25-2012, 09:32 AM
Hi, Ben--
Just bumping this back to the top of the forum so more folks will see your thread. :)

Berol prismacolors are now produced by Sanford-- and while there have been some changes to the formulas used to produce the pencils, I'm pretty sure the colors themselves remain very very similar. If no one has color charts for the pre-1985 sets you're asking about, perhaps the modern charts will work as well?

Good luck!
Rosemary

ClassicTVMan1981X
02-26-2012, 08:52 PM
Hi, Ben--
Just bumping this back to the top of the forum so more folks will see your thread. :)

Berol prismacolors are now produced by Sanford-- and while there have been some changes to the formulas used to produce the pencils, I'm pretty sure the colors themselves remain very very similar. If no one has color charts for the pre-1985 sets you're asking about, perhaps the modern charts will work as well?

Good luck!
Rosemary
Rosemary,

I also wish to find out what colors were available by set (12 count, 24 count, 36, 48, 60) of the pre-Empire Berol/pre-Sanford color lineup. I would think the 72/96/120 count sets first existed during the Empire Berol period, after 1986.

You might like this link:
http://tinyurl.com/7jhyp7m

A typical Eagle Verithin 12-count color pencil set would have had these colors:

734 White
735 Canary Yellow
737 Orange
738 Grass Green
739 Green
740-1/2 Sky Blue
741 Indigo Blue
742 Violet
744 Scarlet Red
745 Crimson Red
746 Sienna Brown
747 Black


~Ben

ClassicTVMan1981X
03-10-2012, 01:30 AM
eBay auction for a 1986 Berol Prismacolor #960 60-count pencil set.

By the time of the year printed on this box, the Prismacolor thick-leaded colored pencils increased color availability from 60 to 72 colors. The 12 then-new colors were, from the back of the box:
988 - Marine Green
989 - Chartreuse
990 - Yellow Bice
991 - Light Yellow Green
992 - Light Aqua
993 - Hot Pink
994 - Process Red
995 - Mulberry (then called "Bright Purple")
996 - Black Grape (then called just "Grape")
997 - Beige
998 - Bright Violet
999 - Bright Blue Violet
(all of the above colors were then exclusive to the #972 72-count set)

I wonder what the current equivalents offered in the Prismacolor thick-leaded lineup today would be close matches for: Yellow Bice, Light Yellow Green, Bright Violet and Bright Blue Violet?

~Ben

Candle
03-11-2012, 03:03 AM
I definitely don't have any sets that old, so I'm afraid I'm no help. I am curious though. May I ask your reasoning behind wanting to recreate what was offered in each set 25 years ago?

ptero410
05-11-2012, 12:10 PM
Hi, this is the first time I have replied - being a very new member.
I happen to still have a very old set of 24 Eagle Verithin pencils which my mother bought for me around 1970.

In case this is of interest to you I will list the colours I have:

734 White
734 1/2 Light Grey
735 Canary Yellow
736 Yellow Ochre
737 Orange
738 Grass Green
738 1/2 Light Green
739 Green
740 Ultramarine Blue
740 1/2 Sky Blue
741 Indigo
742 Violet
743 Pink
744 Scarlet Red
745 Carmine Red
745 1/2 Terra Cotta
746 Sienna Brown
747 Black
750 Vermilion
751 True Green
752 Purple
755 Golden Brown
756 Dark Brown
757 Flesh

These were my favourite pencils and the range of colours seemed very exotic in the 1970s! I replaced some of the worn ones when it was possible to buy separates and still use them sometimes (though some are a bit stumpy now).
Cheers

ClassicTVMan1981X
05-11-2012, 10:07 PM
I definitely don't have any sets that old, so I'm afraid I'm no help. I am curious though. May I ask your reasoning behind wanting to recreate what was offered in each set 25 years ago?
Any ideas as to what colors are contained in a 36-count Prismacolor set (PC954)? It, of course, would have all the colors from the 12-count (PC952) and 24-count (PC953) sets, plus half of the additional 24 colors from the 48-count set (PC955).

The PC952 set always had these 12 colors:
True Blue (903)
Grass Green (909)
Apple Green (912)
Canary Yellow (916)
Orange (918)
Crimson Red (924)
Violet (932)
Violet Blue (933)
Black (935)
White (938)
Sienna Brown (945)
Dark Brown (946)

Until the '90s, the PC953 set had these additional 12 colors:
Ultramarine (902)
Light Cerulean Blue (904)
Copenhagen Blue (906)
True Green (910)
Lemon Yellow (915)
Scarlet Red (Poppy Red) (922)
Scarlet Lake (923)
Pink (929)
Slate Grey (936)
Peach (939)
Yellow Ochre (942)
Burnt Ochre (943)

After 1990, the following colors in the PC953 set were removed: 902, 906, 915, 923, 936, 942 and 943. They were replaced by 901, 908, 926, 937, 995, 1008 and 1034.

~Ben

ClassicTVMan1981X
05-26-2012, 03:08 AM
If my information is correct, in 1990, the following colors were retired:
915 - Lemon Yellow
920 - Light Green
925 - Crimson Lake
936 - Slate Grey
940 - Sand
961 - Warm Grey Dark
962 - Warm Grey Medium
963 - Warm Grey Light
964 - Warm Grey Very Light
965 - Cold Grey Dark
966 - Cold Grey Medium
967 - Cold Grey Light
968 - Cold Grey Very Light
988 - Marine Green
990 - Yellow Bice
991 - Light Yellow Green
998 - Bright Violet
999 - Bright Blue Violet
(colors 988-999 were new for 1986)

And these were the new hues for 1990:
1001 - Salmon Pink
1002 - Yellowed Orange
1003 - Spanish Orange
1004 - Yellow Chartreuse
1005 - Limepeel
1006 - Parrot Green
1007 - Imperial Violet
1008 - Parma Violet
1009 - Dahlia Purple
1010 - Deco Orange
1011 - Deco Yellow
1012 - Jasmine
1013 - Deco Peach
1014 - Deco Pink
1015 - Deco Blue
1016 - Deco Aqua
1017 - Clay Rose
1018 - Rose Pink
1019 - Rosy Beige
1020 - Celadon Green
1021 - Jade Green
1022 - Mediterranean Blue
1023 - Cloud Blue
1024 - Blue Slate
1025 - Periwinkle
1026 - Greyed Lavender
1027 - Peacock Blue
1028 - Bronze
1029 - Mahogany Red
1030 - Raspberry
1031 - Henna
1032 - Pumpkin Orange
1033 - Mineral Orange
1034 - Goldenrod
1035 - Neon Yellow
1036 - Neon Orange
1037 - Neon Red
1038 - Neon Pink
1039 - Neon Green
1040 - Electric Blue
1041 - Steel
1042 - Metallic Violet
1043 - Metallic Rose
1044 - Metallic Maroon
1045 - Metallic Purple
1046 - Metallic Jade
1047 - Metallic Tile Blue
1048 - Metallic Green
1049 - Metallic Blue
1050 - Warm Grey 10%
1051 - Warm Grey 20%
1052 - Warm Grey 30%
1054 - Warm Grey 50%
1056 - Warm Grey 70%
1058 - Warm Grey 90%
1059 - Cool Grey 10%
1060 - Cool Grey 20%
1061 - Cool Grey 30%
1063 - Cool Grey 50%
1065 - Cool Grey 70%
1067 - Cool Grey 90%
1068 - French Grey 10%
1069 - French Grey 20%
1070 - French Grey 30%
1072 - French Grey 50%
1074 - French Grey 70%
1076 - French Grey 90%

Of the 1986 added colors, only Yellow Bice, Light Yellow Green, Bright Violet and Bright Blue Violet were never resurrected.

~Ben